I just got the heated grip set, (symantec?), from NewEnough.com and had a few quick questions. The instructions say to put JB Weld on them, do I need to do this or is this just to hold the grips firm? Also, once I put them on they are there for good right? So if I'm going to do helibars down the road I can't undo this to my stock bars? Thanks.
Heated Grips and Helibars
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So the grips themselves have the heating element? I think I would find another way to secure them...hairspray works pretty good. I don't like the idea of JBweld and grips....what if your throttle controls get messed up?
No, the element goes on the bar and the grips go over it. Here is a picture http://www.newenough...duct_images/990
[image: View Post]danmurphymn, on 09 February 2010 - 02:36 PM, said:
No, the element goes on the bar and the grips go over it. Here is a picture http://www.newenough...duct_images/990Do NOT use J.B. Weld. The heating elements should have an adhesive backing, and it looks like they do, from the pictures.
I've had a heating element short out, and you'll have a REALLY hard time getting it off if you use J.B. Weld.
No idea what they are talking about. Not sure where you are in the install or whatnot, but it's pretty straightforward.
Pull the grips off the bars. Using compressed air under the grips really helps getting them loose and off. Clean the metal off with cleaner to get them smooth and debris free. Peel the paper off the back of the heating elements and stick them where you want them, making sure the wire will have enough room/slack to get out from the grips. I tightly wrap a rope around it to get a good amount of pressure to make sure the element will stay in place and let it set for a while. Then just slide the grips back on, use some grip glue if you want to, and wire em up.
Pull the grips off the bars. Using compressed air under the grips really helps getting them loose and off. Clean the metal off with cleaner to get them smooth and debris free. Peel the paper off the back of the heating elements and stick them where you want them, making sure the wire will have enough room/slack to get out from the grips. I tightly wrap a rope around it to get a good amount of pressure to make sure the element will stay in place and let it set for a while. Then just slide the grips back on, use some grip glue if you want to, and wire em up.
[image: View Post]YoshiHNS, on 09 February 2010 - 03:06 PM, said:
No idea what they are talking about. Not sure where you are in the install or whatnot, but it's pretty straightforward.Pull the grips off the bars. Using compressed air under the grips really helps getting them loose and off. Clean the metal off with cleaner to get them smooth and debris free. Peel the paper off the back of the heating elements and stick them where you want them, making sure the wire will have enough room/slack to get out from the grips. I tightly wrap a rope around it to get a good amount of pressure to make sure the element will stay in place and let it set for a while. Then just slide the grips back on, use some grip glue if you want to, and wire em up.
^^^What he said - just also make sure you double check the positioning of the elements BEFORE you pull the backing off. Remember that the wiring on the right grip will have to rotate w/ the grip, and not snag on anything. All your wiring also needs to be long enough to allow the bars to rotate lock-to-lock without pulling on the wires. :fing02:
[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 09 February 2010 - 03:14 PM, said:
[image: View Post]YoshiHNS, on 09 February 2010 - 03:06 PM, said:
No idea what they are talking about. Not sure where you are in the install or whatnot, but it's pretty straightforward.Pull the grips off the bars. Using compressed air under the grips really helps getting them loose and off. Clean the metal off with cleaner to get them smooth and debris free. Peel the paper off the back of the heating elements and stick them where you want them, making sure the wire will have enough room/slack to get out from the grips. I tightly wrap a rope around it to get a good amount of pressure to make sure the element will stay in place and let it set for a while. Then just slide the grips back on, use some grip glue if you want to, and wire em up.
^^^What he said - just also make sure you double check the positioning of the elements BEFORE you pull the backing off. Remember that the wiring on the right grip will have to rotate w/ the grip, and not snag on anything. All your wiring also needs to be long enough to allow the bars to rotate lock-to-lock without pulling on the wires. :fing02:
Ya, what they said... Don't use JB Weld... Your throttle grip is so tight it won't need any kind of adhesive. I used grip glue on my clutch side though...You will probably need it too... I wouldn't use anything but grip glue though--it's made for this kind of stuff...
To answer your other question, it would take a lot of work to remove the heating elements and transfer them to another set of bars, due to the 3M adhesive used. It would be much easier to buy another kit to install on the Helibars once you get them.
[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 10 February 2010 - 06:06 AM, said:
To answer your other question, it would take a lot of work to remove the heating elements and transfer them to another set of bars, due to the 3M adhesive used. It would be much easier to buy another kit to install on the Helibars once you get them.When changing to another set of bars, only the clutch side will need to be removed (throttle assembly moves over. I was able to peel mine off and reapply it using some 3M spray when I changed over to Heli-bars.
If you are going to be moving them around, you may want to consider the KOSO heaters. They're grips with the heating elements in them, so it's just a grip change. You'll be able to move them from bike to bike no problem, as long as they don't break. It's the same cost, maybe cheaper, than buying two symtec heaters.
I moved a set up this type of grip heaters from one bike's bars to another, just by carefully peeling them off and sticking them on the other bike. They worked fine for about 30,000 miles, and then one day I was on I-90 in South Dakota, riding up a gentle slope, when my bike just lost power. I turned the throttle all the way to the stop and still I was losing speed. Ruh roh! Fortunately there was no traffic. I crested the hill at about 50mph and was able to regain speed again on the flat, and pull off at an exit.
By the time I pulled off I had fought back my panic and figured out what was happening. The adhesive on my throttle side heated grip had given out and the grip had rotated on the throttle tube until it reached the limits of the grip heater's wiring. I wasn't hitting the throttle stop, I was hitting the end of the wire. I was able to rotate the grip back to the proper position, and then simply grasp it tighter to keep it from turning as I went on down the road. My hand got tired but I made it the hundred miles or so into Mitchell, where I got a room for the night. In the morning I went to the motorcycle shop there, got some grip glue, cleaned most of the balled up old adhesive off the heater and glued it in place with new glue, there in their parking lot. No problem.
I never did use any more of that grip glue and I've never had another problem. But if I peeled up some of those adhesive grip heaters and moved them again, I'd say to use a solvent to take off the original adhesive, and replace it with some new glue, because a plastic sleeve is not a good surface to maintain long term adhesion when your adhesive isn't new.
I would not use JBWeld for this, though. I'd use a purpose made grip glue, or shoe goo or another comparable rubbery adhesive. JBWeld is too hard to remove and you may need to remove it someday. Throttle tubes are expensive and waiting for Honda parts is time consuming - I prefer not to damage them unnecessarily!
By the time I pulled off I had fought back my panic and figured out what was happening. The adhesive on my throttle side heated grip had given out and the grip had rotated on the throttle tube until it reached the limits of the grip heater's wiring. I wasn't hitting the throttle stop, I was hitting the end of the wire. I was able to rotate the grip back to the proper position, and then simply grasp it tighter to keep it from turning as I went on down the road. My hand got tired but I made it the hundred miles or so into Mitchell, where I got a room for the night. In the morning I went to the motorcycle shop there, got some grip glue, cleaned most of the balled up old adhesive off the heater and glued it in place with new glue, there in their parking lot. No problem.
I never did use any more of that grip glue and I've never had another problem. But if I peeled up some of those adhesive grip heaters and moved them again, I'd say to use a solvent to take off the original adhesive, and replace it with some new glue, because a plastic sleeve is not a good surface to maintain long term adhesion when your adhesive isn't new.
I would not use JBWeld for this, though. I'd use a purpose made grip glue, or shoe goo or another comparable rubbery adhesive. JBWeld is too hard to remove and you may need to remove it someday. Throttle tubes are expensive and waiting for Honda parts is time consuming - I prefer not to damage them unnecessarily!
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