Bazzaz Early Dyno Results

I believe these are all with the stock pipe, and it's not clear from the naming what's going on in the first image; it may be just their baseline runs overlaid. ...if anyone understands "dyno lingo" let me know. lol These runs were done a while back when my bike had only 1700 miles on it. I can tell that the motor has woken up a bit since then so I'm looking forward to getting it back on the dyno with it fully broken in and the Akro pipe installed.

Stock mapping (maybe the black line is with the Z-Fi unit and map):

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1st gear with (black) and without (red) the Z-Bomb (removes 1st & 2nd gear limitations):

[image: vfr1200%20stock%20vs%20z-bomb%201st%20gear-L.jpg]

2nd gear with (black) and without (red) Z-Bomb:

[image: vfr1200%20stock%20vs%20z-bomb%202nd%20gear-L.jpg]

I'm told they have all the connectors for the Z-Fi unit, but are having some issues getting the right connectors for the Z-Bomb (hoping to be resolved in the next couple weeks).

All this reaffirms what my butt tells me every time I hit the twisties (mostly all 2nd gear) ...WTF was Honda thinking with this BS limiting of the 1st & 2nd??? The way the power sags then comes on just SUCKS. For most of the twisty roads I've found in Southern California, 1st is just too short and 2nd is on the lugging side, which means you have to ride through that horrible trough constantly, usually pulling out of the apex of a turn. I can do it in 1st and stay up in the power band, but man talk about needing a LOT of throttle control! lol

It's really a shame that Honda did this to cripple what is an otherwise very easy to handle 140-150hp bike. ...it really is borderline dangerous, and I can't wait to get it fixed permanently, even if it means having the gear indicator on the dash not working correctly anymore.

My derestricion is working for 2500 km now. I accept the false reading at the gear position indicator in 1st and 2nd gear. Cost $5 and 2 hours work.

The bike wheelys off the trottle in 1st gear :cheerleader:

Phobe what are your experiences whith the derestricion of 1st and 2nd gear ?

Dutchgixxer

My derestricion is working for 2500 km now. I accept the false reading at the gear position indicator in 1st and 2nd gear. Cost $5 and 2 hours work.

The bike wheelys off the trottle in 1st gear :cheerleader:

Phobe what are your experiences whith the derestricion of 1st and 2nd gear ?

I haven't done a lot of riding since I derestricted it (long winter) but I have noticed a lot of tire spinning in first and a couple of unintentional power wheelies. I owned a whole series of motorcycles before my VFR which didn't have a gear indicator so I don't miss it that much. I have a pretty good sense for what gear I'm in.

I'm hoping to do a PC5 this spring. I haven't decided if I'll buy the autotune module or get a custom map.

thanks for the dyno. I ran some twisties friday, and the on off in second gear was a lot of trouble. And I drag raced a V-Rod from a 15mph rolling start, in second gear it seems like forever to take off due to the power dip; eventually it caught and whizzed past the VRod. Kind of embarrasing waiting for the motor to spin up and go though.

Hey Zen,

Is your bike the standard model?

stinkyfinger

Hey Zen,

Is your bike the standard model?

Yep, the standard 1200F (vs. the 1200FDual clutch).

Alang, if you're drag racing from a rolling 15 you REALLY want to start in 1st gear. It's a short gear, but it's not that short. 2nd at 15 mph is waaaaay at the bottom of the rev counter; no wonder it felt slow as hell building steam! lol

I might have been in 1st gear, can't remember for sure. But there was a big lag.

Do you know anything about the map Bazzaz is using? And will they have traction control and/or auto tune?

Thanks

Alang

I might have been in 1st gear, can't remember for sure. But there was a big lag.

Do you know anything about the map Bazzaz is using? And will they have traction control and/or auto tune?

Thanks

I do believe they will have an auto tune. Their stock maps will be based on a totally stock VFR and one with an akropovic skip on; they are very thorough with their dyno tuning though, and those maps should be very good.

There will not be traction control. I was told that to make it work on the VFR it needed to be super sensitive and it was just more trouble than it was worth.

Keep in mind that Bazzaz' traction control is not for bad weather or slippery roads, but rather for racetrack purposes, getting the absolute most drive possible while still deep in a turn and leaned over; the odds of making it kick in under street conditions would be nearly impossible (and probably very unsafe). lol

Impressive power, particularly after the de-restriction.

It would be nice to have another 1/3 more power on my 700.

Super interesting Z-Bomb claim... I'm hoping DynoJet will follow suit with an Ignition Retard Controller Module, and some members actually post dyno runs of the Z-Bomb and other fixes, not just claims from manufacturers...

GOOD LOOKIN NUMBERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!

FI unit will be available end of May.

Z bomb in October due to difficulties in obtaining connectors.

Per Chris at Bazzaz. 5/11/11

warrenjrose

Super interesting Z-Bomb claim... I'm hoping DynoJet will follow suit with an Ignition Retard Controller Module, and some members actually post dyno runs of the Z-Bomb and other fixes, not just claims from manufacturers...

That graph of the Z-Bomb isn't a "claim" it was my bike, on the dyno, with their prototype Z-Bomb. ...and my engine has noticeably broken in a bit since it was there (according to my butt-dyno) so the overall numbers might be slightly better than that.

...now if only they could source the connectors!!!

looks like I'm going with a PC V since Bazzaz says another month before they will sell one to the public. :(

Alang

looks like I'm going with a PC V since Bazzaz says another month before they will sell one to the public. :(

Well, you've heard more than me then. ...at this point, I'm giving up on Bazzaz. They had my bike for a month, and all I have to show for it is 200 dyno miles on my bike and not being able to ride it for a month when it was brand new. :(

I understand it can be hard to get connectors, etc., but you'd think an occasional email to say "hey, we're still working on it" wouldn't be too hard.

Ah well, live and learn.

They really were all super nice, but they are a tiny facility, and probably overwhelmed with actual race stuff this time of year. ...I just think 5 months should be plenty of time.

D

I trust they will put a new rear tire on when done..... :mellow:

Dutchy

I trust they will put a new rear tire on when done..... :mellow:

Hi,

Has anyone tried the PowerFRK unit? According to their website "Smoother throttle response, increased HP/Torque and no flat spots! This is an easy Plug and Play way to optimize your fuel and ignition mapping on your stock or modified motorcycle. As you open the throttle the Power FRK Module makes makes the necessary adjustments for both fuel and ignition performance mapping."

http://www.powerfrkusa.net/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=1083HO12001

I'm a newbie so sorry if this has been covered before somewhere else...

ZenMoto ...at this point, I'm giving up on Bazzaz. They had my bike for a month, and all I have to show for it is 200 dyno miles on my bike and not being able to ride it for a month when it was brand new. :(

I understand it can be hard to get connectors, etc., but you'd think an occasional email to say "hey, we're still working on it" wouldn't be too hard.

Ah well, live and learn.

They really were all super nice, but they are a tiny facility, and probably overwhelmed with actual race stuff this time of year. ...I just think 5 months should be plenty of time.

D

I'm sorry to read that. I'll hold out hope that someday, a package will appear on your doorstep, or someone will finally say that they are ready to have you come back for an installation.. good things come to those who wait. :cool:

MSGTR

I'm sorry to read that. I'll hold out hope that someday, a package will appear on your doorstep, or someone will finally say that they are ready to have you come back for an installation.. good things come to those who wait. :cool:

Actually, I had sent another email (1st in over a month) and got a response back from Chris at Bazzaz. ...turns out Ron, who I was dealing with, no longer works there and they will be taking my bike again next week. They still don't have connectors for the Z-Bomb (apparently, Honda did a great job of making it unobtanium) but they will be putting in the Z-Fi unit and making sure my bike is tuned correctly.

It's disappointing that it's taken so long, but at least it's getting done, and I certainly understand how R&D can take a lot of left turns on you, so I'm not the least bit upset over the deal. ...it is what it is.

Hopefully, this is a sign that they will have product on the market for VFR riders in the very near future!!! :)

ZenMoto

MSGTR

I'm sorry to read that. I'll hold out hope that someday, a package will appear on your doorstep, or someone will finally say that they are ready to have you come back for an installation.. good things come to those who wait. :cool:

Actually, I had sent another email (1st in over a month) and got a response back from Chris at Bazzaz. ...turns out Ron, who I was dealing with, no longer works there and they will be taking my bike again next week. They still don't have connectors for the Z-Bomb (apparently, Honda did a great job of making it unobtanium) but they will be putting in the Z-Fi unit and making sure my bike is tuned correctly.

It's disappointing that it's taken so long, but at least it's getting done, and I certainly understand how R&D can take a lot of left turns on you, so I'm not the least bit upset over the deal. ...it is what it is.

Hopefully, this is a sign that they will have product on the market for VFR riders in the very near future!!! :)

Any chance you could get Bazzaz to give you some dyno charts that you can publish here, especially a second gear run. Would be interested to see how well the z-fi addresses the torque dip in 1st and second and also how the results compare to the z-bomb and PC V. I came across the following dyno chart for a PC V map:

http://www.fullthrottlepowersports.com.au/system/dyno_image/image/0000/0020/VFR1200F_POWER_DROP_CURE_copy.jpg

http://www.fullthrottlepowersports.com.au/pages/dyno

smiffy

Any chance you could get Bazzaz to give you some dyno charts that you can publish here, especially a second gear run. Would be interested to see how well the z-fi addresses the torque dip in 1st and second and also how the results compare to the z-bomb and PC V. I came across the following dyno chart for a PC V map:

http://www.fullthrottlepowersports.com.au/system/dyno_image/image/0000/0020/VFR1200F_POWER_DROP_CURE_copy.jpg

http://www.fullthrottlepowersports.com.au/pages/dyno

The 3rd chart in the first post is 2nd gear with the Z-Bomb (unrestricted 1st and 2nd). I will see if they'll give me new charts, since my engine is fully broken in now, but it probably won't be vastly different.

ZenMoto

That graph of the Z-Bomb isn't a "claim" it was my bike.

Still waiting for the "claim" to be verified in the public domain...

I sure wish Honda would cooperate more with aftermarket vendors...

Wow - the dyno graphs show a huge engineered "hole" in the power band. I'm sure that's a combination of regulations imposed (emissions,sound, etc.) and the political view of possible litigation from the marketing people. Same thing happened with the VTEC on the 6th gen. It must suck to the be the engineer on the project and get the marching orders from on high. The reaction from the engineers must be "I gotta do what?" knowing its gonna screw up the bikes power and still have to work around it.

If I had a 7th gen - I would be all over this Bazzaz product - he's one of the best.

Well, a truck from Bazzaz, with my bike in the back, showed up at my house this afternoon! :)

They are *still* waiting on ONE part to finish the Z-Bomb, but finished my bike off with a hand-built connector for the Z-Bomb on my bike.

I will probably get final dyno sheets next week sometime. ...in the meantime, here's my initial impression:

Z-Fi / Fuel mapping: ...perfect! Not an exaggeration, it is simply that better than it was stock; no humps in power, and no giant holes!!!

Z-Bomb: What can I say, I now have full power in 1st & 2nd, and you know what? ...it's very nice, and not the least bit "dangerous". In fact, the bike has completely lost its nervous throttle coming off-idle in 1st & 2nd; it's now VERY easy to ride smoothly in those gears, making 2nd my new go-to gear for my local twisties (with the occasional dip into 3rd). The bike is simply SAFER to ride now as it behaves much better in the lower gears!

Quick Shifter: ...this will take a little getting used to, but it is smoooooth! I didn't know if they were going to do it or not, but they did and it's awesome! As long as you're over 3000rpm you can just up-shift with no clutch, and it seamlessly clicks into gear without having to let off the throttle. I've never had a quick shift before, but I LIKE it! :)

Traction Control: This is another thing I didn't think they were going to do, but they did. It's really meant for the race-track, to allow you to dial in just the right amount of "slip" while putting the power down hard, but they tell me it will work just as well in the wet. ...obviously, I haven't had a chance to notice it working (and may not for some time), but it's cool that they developed it!

Handlebar Controls: This last bit was a total surprise! They mounted a control cluster under my left bar that has a 2-position toggle for switching between Map 1 & Map 0 on the Z-Fi unit, as well as a dial for adjusting the sensitivity of the traction control (currently set to mid-point).

Overall the whole thing is very clean and professional (what would you expect from Bazzaz) and the bike is, quite simply, transformed!

I'll try to get some pics of the little control cluster as well as the quick shift and Z-Fi, etc. to put online.

...tomorrow, I go riding!!! :)

Bazzaz is Badazz!!!

ZenMoto

Well, a truck from Bazzaz, with my bike in the back, showed up at my house this afternoon! :)

They are *still* waiting on ONE part to finish the Z-Bomb, but finished my bike off with a hand-built connector for the Z-Bomb on my bike.

I will probably get final dyno sheets next week sometime. ...in the meantime, here's my initial impression:

Z-Fi / Fuel mapping: ...perfect! Not an exaggeration, it is simply that better than it was stock; no humps in power, and no giant holes!!!

Z-Bomb: What can I say, I now have full power in 1st & 2nd, and you know what? ...it's very nice, and not the least bit "dangerous". In fact, the bike has completely lost its nervous throttle coming off-idle in 1st & 2nd; it's now VERY easy to ride smoothly in those gears, making 2nd my new go-to gear for my local twisties (with the occasional dip into 3rd). The bike is simply SAFER to ride now as it behaves much better in the lower gears!

Quick Shifter: ...this will take a little getting used to, but it is smoooooth! I didn't know if they were going to do it or not, but they did and it's awesome! As long as you're over 3000rpm you can just up-shift with no clutch, and it seamlessly clicks into gear without having to let off the throttle. I've never had a quick shift before, but I LIKE it! :)

Traction Control: This is another thing I didn't think they were going to do, but they did. It's really meant for the race-track, to allow you to dial in just the right amount of "slip" while putting the power down hard, but they tell me it will work just as well in the wet. ...obviously, I haven't had a chance to notice it working (and may not for some time), but it's cool that they developed it!

Handlebar Controls: This last bit was a total surprise! They mounted a control cluster under my left bar that has a 2-position toggle for switching between Map 1 & Map 0 on the Z-Fi unit, as well as a dial for adjusting the sensitivity of the traction control (currently set to mid-point).

Overall the whole thing is very clean and professional (what would you expect from Bazzaz) and the bike is, quite simply, transformed!

I'll try to get some pics of the little control cluster as well as the quick shift and Z-Fi, etc. to put online.

...tomorrow, I go riding!!! :)

Bazzaz is Badazz!!!

I'm curious if Bazazz is actually altering ignition timing or if it's like the PC5 which is fuel mapping only. I find it hard to believe that they make such a drastic change to the power curve with only a fuel map. Not saying it can't be done, but engine tuning is a mix of several variables, fuel mapping is but one variable. Please see if you can find out more about what they did besides fueling. Thanks.

ZenMoto

Well, a truck from Bazzaz, with my bike in the back, showed up at my house this afternoon! :)

They are *still* waiting on ONE part to finish the Z-Bomb, but finished my bike off with a hand-built connector for the Z-Bomb on my bike.

I will probably get final dyno sheets next week sometime. ...in the meantime, here's my initial impression:

Z-Fi / Fuel mapping: ...perfect! Not an exaggeration, it is simply that better than it was stock; no humps in power, and no giant holes!!!

Z-Bomb: What can I say, I now have full power in 1st & 2nd, and you know what? ...it's very nice, and not the least bit "dangerous". In fact, the bike has completely lost its nervous throttle coming off-idle in 1st & 2nd; it's now VERY easy to ride smoothly in those gears, making 2nd my new go-to gear for my local twisties (with the occasional dip into 3rd). The bike is simply SAFER to ride now as it behaves much better in the lower gears!

Quick Shifter: ...this will take a little getting used to, but it is smoooooth! I didn't know if they were going to do it or not, but they did and it's awesome! As long as you're over 3000rpm you can just up-shift with no clutch, and it seamlessly clicks into gear without having to let off the throttle. I've never had a quick shift before, but I LIKE it! :)

Traction Control: This is another thing I didn't think they were going to do, but they did. It's really meant for the race-track, to allow you to dial in just the right amount of "slip" while putting the power down hard, but they tell me it will work just as well in the wet. ...obviously, I haven't had a chance to notice it working (and may not for some time), but it's cool that they developed it!

Handlebar Controls: This last bit was a total surprise! They mounted a control cluster under my left bar that has a 2-position toggle for switching between Map 1 & Map 0 on the Z-Fi unit, as well as a dial for adjusting the sensitivity of the traction control (currently set to mid-point).

Overall the whole thing is very clean and professional (what would you expect from Bazzaz) and the bike is, quite simply, transformed!

I'll try to get some pics of the little control cluster as well as the quick shift and Z-Fi, etc. to put online.

...tomorrow, I go riding!!! :)

Bazzaz is Badazz!!!

Think you can shoot a video, of the sound and how it behaves?

Also whats a quick shift...I up-shift with no clutch already and im bone stock. Is it a part they put on the bike.

I'm curious if Bazazz is actually altering ignition timing or if it's like the PC5 which is fuel mapping only. I find it hard to believe that they make such a drastic change to the power curve with only a fuel map. Not saying it can't be done, but engine tuning is a mix of several variables, fuel mapping is but one variable. Please see if you can find out more about what they did besides fueling. Thanks.

I believe it. In my experience, the PCV dramatically alters the low to mid rpm feel of the bike, and, my butt dyno tells me ( :) ) power. So I have no doubt the Bazzazz unit will too, even with just fuel alterations. Out of the factory the bike is fuelled for economy/emissions, not performance. I will be fitting a z-bomb when it's available as well.

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I don't really have any way of recording video while riding, so you'll just have to take my word that it's a LOT smoother; especially the off-idle throttle response. To test this, I went up one of my favorite local roads, ( Piuma Rd. ) which starts with a very tight, climbing hairpin turn; this is normally nearly impossible to do smoothly as it is strictly a 1st gear turn, and usually covered in dirt and loose rocks. Today, no issue whatsoever! The bike came under throttle smoothly, with no abruptness at all! :)

Until I get dyno results to post, there's not much more to say about the performance. I know it added a bunch of power in 1st & 2nd, but the bike is actually easier to ride in those two gears. I don't know that it added any / much horsepower in the higher gears, I just know the bike is smoother overall, and there are no dips in power, anywhere, at any throttle position!

Quick Shift: To answer the question, quick shift does basically the same thing you do when you up-shift without the clutch ...it just does it a LOT faster, and you don't have to back off the throttle to do it. There's a sensor at the shift lever that detects pressure, and when it does it interrupts the ignition for a fraction of a second, releasing the tension on the shift dogs (just like backing off the throttle does); once the ignition cuts, the bike just pops into the next gear and since you never had to let off the throttle, it continues right where you left off ...pulling like a freight train.

The Bazzaz QS is programmed differently for each gear, as you need less igntion cut as you go up in gears / speed. So the cut for 1st - 2nd might be long enough for you to really feel the ignition cut out (because it has to be) but 3rd - 4th and up is essentially instantaneous. There's simply no way you can cut the throttle manually, shift, and pick up the throttle even remotely close to how quick it is.

Here's the quick shift sensor hooked up:

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The Z-Fi unit under the seat (held in with Velcro). ...I gave them permission to cut away some of the ribbing under the seat to fit it, as I put my fuse box in what would be the ideal location. In my opinion the under-tray is plenty strong to not need that rib all the way across anyway.

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And here is the handlebar control cluster, which is actually upside down, as it was designed to mount above the bar on most (race) bikes, but the VFRs clutch reservoir is in the way ...I like how clean it looks under the bar, and the reservoir hides the cables, etc.. The 2-position toggle is to switch ignition maps, the dial is for how much / little traction control you want active.

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ZenMoto

There's a sensor at the shit lever that detects pressure,

most humans have that too :laughing6-hehe:

Dutchy

ZenMoto

There's a sensor at the shit lever that detects pressure,

most humans have that too :laughing6-hehe:

So are the results repeatable for the rest of us, or do I need to ship my bike to them to get a z-bomb. ;)

warrenjrose

Dutchy

ZenMoto

There's a sensor at the shit lever that detects pressure,

most humans have that too :laughing6-hehe:

So are the results repeatable for the rest of us, or do I need to ship my bike to them to get a z-bomb. ;)

Ah, you guys are cracking me up! ...this is what I get for trying to get the info up before going to bed! lol

It's not supposed to be a personal affront by any means. Hats of to Bazzaz for tackling the VFR1200 and fixing the issues, I for one am pumped to hear about it. But the difference between what one company can do to a bike with all the right people working on it, and a COTS (Commercial off the shelf) product are significant.

I'm been anxiously watching this thread since you started it, with my credit card in hand. Meanwhile, my PCV arrived this weekend. Whoever gets the Z-Bomb or equivilent solution to the market first will get my money.

warrenjrose

It's not supposed to be a personal affront by any means. Hats of to Bazzaz for tackling the VFR1200 and fixing the issues, I for one am pumped to hear about it. But the difference between what one company can do to a bike with all the right people working on it, and a COTS (Commercial off the shelf) product are significant.

I'm been anxiously watching this thread since you started it, with my credit card in hand. Meanwhile, my PCV arrived this weekend. Whoever gets the Z-Bomb or equivilent solution to the market first will get my money.

I came across the document below on the Bazzaz website. The VFR1200F products are on page 6 along with a couple of dyno charts which I assume are for the Z-Fi unit and not with the z-bomb also?

http://bazzaz.net/Z-notes/Bazzaz_Z-notes_ALL.pdf

smiffy

I came across the document below on the Bazzaz website. The VFR1200F products are on page 6 along with a couple of dyno charts which I assume are for the Z-Fi unit and not with the z-bomb also?

http://bazzaz.net/Z-notes/Bazzaz_Z-notes_ALL.pdf

Definitely NOT with the Z-Bomb. I was told they won't be posting dyno results with the Z-Bomb until they have production Z-Bombs ready to ship.

With the Z-Bomb, that giant hole below 5k rpm kinda' disappears! :)

Well get your credit card ready, just dropped buy the bazzaz site and looked up vfr1200 and you know what. They are selling a FI and a FI with traction control.

http://www.bazzaz.net/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=vmj_genx_img1.tpl&product_id=463&category_id=1&manufacturer_id=1&option=com_virtuemart

The FI is a little more then the power commander, and I wish you could get the TC as a option later.

So who's going to be first to get one?

What do you mean with a little more than a powercommander ? What are the differences ?

Cost. You can get a power commander for 320 US and the bazzaz is 370

Well Zen, now you're making me sort of wonder why I gave up my appointment to you.. :rolleyes:

I'm glad this story had a very good outcome, I know you were worried there for awhile. I'm such a conservative rider, I don't think I could get the most out of a package like that.

Emailed Bazzaz about the Z-bomb availability and here's the response:

Yes, unfortunately we are at the mercy of vendors and we are now being told that we will have the connectors later this month. Sorry that I don’t have an exact date for you. By that time we should know about the DCT version as well.

Thank you,

Tracey de Martini

Executive Assistant / Sales

15330 Fairfield Ranch Rd., Suite E

Chino Hills, CA 91709

P - 909.597.8300 x 111

F - 909.597.5580

www.Bazzaz.net

I called Bazzaz today - Jan 10. I was told that conectors are to be delivered this Friday the 13th I am waiting for a call from Tracey next week to confirm delivery. :excl: If we are lucky next week a plug and play solution will be available. As I have a DCT model cutting is not a great option. Thanks go to Dutch, phobe, Zen and others for all the time spent on a resolution. :wheel:

So do these mods work on the DCT?

Also how does it effect mileage?

Derestriction on a dct does not work. The ecu has to know wich gear is selected.

For manual transmission the mod works great. Effect on milleage yes if you use the bike hard i will consume more fuel.

That sucks!

Do you see that changing anytime soon? What about the changes made to the 2012?

The 2012 has tranction control so 1st and 2nd gear are not restricted any more. And fueling is improved by Honda, so the need for a PC-v or Z bomb is gone, as long you use the OEM exhaust.

Dutchgixxer

The 2012 has tranction control so 1st and 2nd gear are not restricted any more. And fueling is improved by Honda, so the need for a PC-v or Z bomb is gone, as long you use the OEM exhaust.

It will be interesting to see just what they did/do with it and if the big 5k flat spot(Zen) is gone. So now 1st and 2nd are restricted with Traction Control instead! :tongue:

Baileyrock

Dutchgixxer

It will be interesting to see just what they did/do with it and if the big 5k flat spot(Zen) is gone. So now 1st and 2nd are restricted with Traction Control instead! :tongue:

At least it will now be a selectable option to be restricted.

Maybe they restrict when you turn of the TC? They wouldn't be that nasty, right... Just sayin

BrandX

Maybe they restrict when you turn of the TC? They wouldn't be that nasty, right... Just sayin

Very good point. Although I won't be in the position to upgrade to v.2 myself, I look forward to hearing about how this plays out from those who do.

Has anyone seen Dyno charts for a DCT?

I ask as I believe I read it is not possible to due to the front wheel is not spinning. If I cannot dyno the bike I may left with pre-made maps or an Auto-tune.

Any thoughts?

I have never done the dyno thing on a FI bike, so it was interesting. I am not sure what all the sheets were he gave me, they have lambda on them, these two are the initial and final result.

The bike is a 2010 not 2011 as indicated on the sheet, with the ZBomb and the ZFi tuning module. I only have 10 km on it but it is a different bike, it is not as twitchy on/off at low RPM, and really feels like it hauls now through the powerband. I am not keen on the 3-3-3 gear indicator, but will learn to deal with it. I had him do peel off the body work, install the KN filter, install the ZFi module and ZBomb, and do the dyno runs and put her all together. He did 3.5 hours of dyno time, and I am happy with the results.

If it comes through hard to read, run #1 HP was 126.4 to the rear wheel on this machine, and torque was 76.4. This was with GPR slip on with db baffle in, K&N filter, and I think it also was with Z-Bomb in. I forgot to tell him to do a run with and without the Bomb, but I was not in the mood for paying for more dyno time this year!

Final run was 146.3 HP and 83.12. with same exhaust and air, and Z-Bomb running.

Edit: We are at 1,893 ft here

I have 300 km in the bike now and it is SO much more fun to zip around with now. If honda would have shipped them like this in 2010, and made a few minor tweaks, they would have sold a lot more bikes. I have not done much highway so I will see how the mileage is.

Hi all,

How can I find if my bike has this limitation on 1 & 2 gears?

Thanks

Nikkon, 8/24/2017 at 3:31 PM

Hi all,

How can I find if my bike has this limitation on 1 & 2 gears?

Thanks

Open the throttle in 1st and 2nd, does it have a flat spot? If so, the limitation is there.