Ok, just looking for an honest opinion on the transition from VFR 800 sixth gen to 1200 VFR. I am tempted to pull the tigger but just looking for those who have ; your pro's and cons. Things like hows the power compare, the handling, the cruising range etc. Not what the Honda salesguy say. Thanks.
Dan
[image: View Post]DANO, on 26 August 2011 - 12:44 AM, said:
Ok, just looking for an honest opinion on the transition from VFR 800 sixth gen to 1200 VFR. I am tempted to pull the tigger but just looking for those who have ; your pro's and cons. Things like hows the power compare, the handling, the cruising range etc. Not what the Honda salesguy say. Thanks.
Dan
Why not add in the 5th gen too LOL! so we can really get started
The 1200 IMO is a completly different bike, even the 5th to 6th gen has differences to be well noted, and a huge amount of difference outside of the motor. So many focus so much on the motor, they miss all the improvements with 6th gen over 5th.
Thats stupid to me.
A true rider, is going to want a standard shift 1200 if you ask me, I think the tighter the road you ride, the 800's are better, 1200 are going to offer a different quality spread out.
The bottom line is they are totally different bikes, I would call the gen 5&6 true sports tourers & the gen 7 a tourer if you needed to explain the difference. You could argue the gen 7 isn't even a tourer when you take into account its very limited tank range but is good enough as most destinations there is enough fuel stops for the range.
The main rider seat difference is as follows, the gen 7 isn't as nimble to throw around like the gen 5&6 & for real scratching in the tight radius corners the shaft drive & limiting of 1st & 2nd gear power makes the bike feel very unstable with an on/off jerky feel which unsettles bike & is very hard to get into a rhythm & be smooth like the gen 5&6 but that is riding in sports mode. Open road with sweeping corners is where the gen 7 comes into its own & is the sweat spot with the extra grunt & no need for gear changes & due to being at higher speeds with no need for lower 1st & 2nd gear jerkiness which is why it is more touring than sports.
So bottom line if your a rider that likes to scratch in the tight stuff & is a major part of your riding as well as touring or you commute allot the gen 5&6 is probably a better bike & with the saving you can make it an even better bike with suspension mods etc, if you like touring effortlessly & don't need to go balls out in the tight corners the gen 7 is the bike for you.
I have ridden 5th gen 120k miles - it is not considered a *pure* sport bike when compared to the ducs, cbrs,gsxrs. However I never had a problem keeping up with those bikes save only the most race experienced track rider piloting them. So then I got the veefalo and just could not get used to the differences in wieght and power so I took a lot longer getting proficient riding it. That and I was a little gun shy after having been ran off the road by a van.
It all came down to set up as I always knew if I could dial the bike in it would feel better. I found the 7th gen wallowed in the hard turns and so I just attributed it to the added wieght. I found I could get a nice rhythm but it would go wide as soon as I twisted the throttle. The forks would telescope out with throttle and the bike wanted to push wide.
A few clicks of more rebound. Better tires and proper sag and now I feel as confident with it as the old girl. Its got way more passing power and now that I have the handling sorted it is just as nice as the 5th gen.
Brakes are way better very solid abs brakes are so nice its night and day difference.
Its slightly longer reach to the bars so I get elbow lock and have to think about that in the turns more.
Gas range sucks though so you must gas up more and plan stops along your route
2 up is much nicer for the rider but the pillion pegs are shorter so that's worse if your pillion has long legs.
It is not as forgiving on rough roads and it feels like it bottoms out with big shocks to the front wheel. The 5th gen was better on dirt and rough road.
I felt like I could cruise all day at 80 on the 5th gen but on the 7th 100 is more like it.
Like I said its a little different but now that I got her sorted I am a very pleased veefalo rider.
Take one for a ride Dano. No comparison. ;)
[image: View Post]zRoYz, on 26 August 2011 - 02:03 AM, said:
. Open road with sweeping corners is where the gen 7 comes into its own & is the sweat spot with the extra grunt & no need for gear changes & due to being at higher speeds with no need for lower 1st & 2nd gear jerkiness which is why it is more touring than sports.
In the restricted zone in first and second (3000-5500RPM) the 1200 still makes more torque than the 800 does at peak. It's not that big of an issue and if it bothers you, it is easy to fix.
Concours, R1200RT, ST1300, FJR1300.... these are tourers. The VFR1200 is a sportbike for the road. It's no more a tourer than a K1300S or a ZX14 is a tourer. It's a big, comfortable, very fast, great handling sportbike with shaft drive.
[image: View Post]phobe, on 26 August 2011 - 10:48 PM, said:
[image: View Post]zRoYz, on 26 August 2011 - 02:03 AM, said:
. Open road with sweeping corners is where the gen 7 comes into its own & is the sweat spot with the extra grunt & no need for gear changes & due to being at higher speeds with no need for lower 1st & 2nd gear jerkiness which is why it is more touring than sports.
In the restricted zone in first and second (3000-5500RPM) the 1200 still makes more torque than the 800 does at peak. It's not that big of an issue and if it bothers you, it is easy to fix.
Concours, R1200RT, ST1300, FJR1300.... these are tourers. The VFR1200 is a sportbike for the road. It's no more a tourer than a K1300S or a ZX14 is a tourer. It's a big, comfortable, very fast, great handling sportbike with shaft drive.
Like anything there will be difference of opinion, the 1200 simply can't match the 800 in the tight corners in sports riding mode so for me I wouldn't class it as sports like the 800. My main riding partner (well he was till he bought the 1200) has completely revamped suspension with Penske rear shock & a Ohlins 30mm CBR1000RR cartridge kit adapted to the forks & he is the person I would normally follow when we ride. Since buying the 1200 he can't keep up in the tight stuff & when he pillions his girl complains of being thrown forward & back constantly due to the bikes characteristics in the tight radius corners. Open sweepers & open road the 1200 will out perform the 800 but as the riding I like, is mountain type roads in sports mode & sedate pace when the road opens out my view is the 1200 is more a tourer than sports. Don't misunderstand I like the 1200 & I'm not bagging it, it is just my view comparing it to the 800.
I think you really need to ask your self what do YOU want in the next bike . if you say you want more power go ahead and get the1200 but really have you rode the 800 to its limit? i doubt
it. my vtec has been good to me. the one thing i have learned is power means nothin on a technically challenging rd. i would not sacrifice range for power but then thats me.
I think what you trying to say, if you can make a motor work, and an 800 can eat the 1200 in the tight stuff . THats not opinion, but mere Fact.
Now out on open road the 1200 is going to be able use that beef, I wouldnt even bother with a Hyabusa on open road, but in the tight stuff, is total different world.
I would say that there are a lot of sport touring type bikes now days, and my view is to understand that the title(ST) is on a sliding scale smaller/nimble puts more sport than tour but it is both......the bigger/less nimble runs more into the tour of sport............ and like it's already been said, it's up to you what you want more of...... A larger motor isn't always a limiter to nimble a V4 gives us a bike that is 2 cyl,s wide with the power of 4, ....... Look at the Duc 2 and the Aprilia 4 ..... the duc has just a little advantage in the turn over the Aprilia but I'd take the Aprilia any day......
:+1: On the SPORT tourer 800 vs sport TOURER 1200
[image: View Post]DANO, on 26 August 2011 - 12:44 AM, said:
Ok, just looking for an honest opinion on the transition from VFR 800 sixth gen to 1200 VFR. I am tempted to pull the tigger but just looking for those who have ; your pro's and cons. Things like hows the power compare, the handling, the cruising range etc. Not what the Honda salesguy say. Thanks.
Dan
Take one for a test ride. I have found several Honda dealers offering test rides and discounted pricing because it is not selling as well as anticipated. I LIKED IT! I have a 5th gen and I love that bike. I will probably never sell it. The 1200 seems larger and heavier but I found the weight melted away once you got it rolling. Brakes are fantastic! Lots more power and low end torque than the VFR800. If you can get past the styling (love it or hate it) and that it is not a "true" to the VFR (shaft drive etc) It is a wonderful motorcycle.
Don't take my word for it - take for a test ride.
Jack.
Guys,
The best of both worlds is easy....The 1200 is a fine machine no doubt....It took me a long time to get a 5th gen VFR and I couldn't be happier....In another thread a fellow called a bike a 'gentlemans VFR"
I put forth the supposition the VFR is a "Gentleman's Sport Bike". A Sport tourer as it were.....My version of the sport Tourer is the ST1300, now I know there is speculation as to its demise but that is O.K. by me,I have my 04 ST13 and a 99 VFR in my stable .The few short comings of the Tour the VFR has the ST accomodates and is a good handler too. Like wise the ST's Sport aspects are accomplished handsomely by the VFR. Now I know not every one can own multiple motorbikes but if you reason like me one bike is not enough.....I mean one just can't go off road on a VFR {maybe well maintained dirt roads on the cross tour} While the ST is not a canyon carver{ I freely admit to having chicken strips on my ST....not very big mind you} I have gone and looked at even sat on a 1200 just hasn't got the ST seating nor the standard bags.....and I won't start on its gas tank....It is every bit aVFR as no other bike through the lineage has equaled them and this 1200 is full of technology, as it forebearers were.....So my answer is multiple motorcycles.....my "Old Guy's Garage" has room for
at least two more....what will they be I don't know but there will always be room for my VFR and ST1300.....
Rod
With a little history.... we started out with the basic bike Harley, Triumph, Honda 750, none of which really had labels, in the 60's. Then in the 70's they finally started putting fairings on some bikes(with the exception of Europe who had them much earlier) , and in a lot of cases the only name other than a standard bike was called a Cafe' bike. Then we started calling faired bikes sport bikes. But the use of sport started to get way out of hand IE: in EU the only cars that had the title of sport were very small two seaters even the 12 cyl. Jag was GT not concedered a pure sport car MG was a sport car...... Now we have sport trucks etc.
So back to the bikes, the word sport took off like wild fire(marketing), so when they wanted to do what in the USA we seem to always do, is to make everything bigger(body) they didn't want to lose the marketing edge, so when they started puttin hard bags on heavier/larger bikes with fairings they kept the label sport by modding it to sport-touring, and as usual we keep getting bigger and no one wants to lose the name sport as a tag label.
In the mid 70's I had a 750 Beemer RT with a "Pop Dyer" fairing and was still able to do an off road hill climb up Green Mountain's west slope out side of Denver, much less be able to ride on dirt roads with ease. The difference was the bottom area had a ground clearance that most ST bikes don't have, also the less than wide handle now don't help with rough riding, because of the lack of leverage.
Just wanted to give my interpretation of how I think we got to where we are, thx for reading.........
I put a little over 120K miles on a 98 VFR before I got a VFR1200 which now has about 12K miles. Initially, the VFR1200 takes some getting used to due to its weight and that the stock suspension and tires are not that good. However, with new tires (Dunlop Sportmax Q2) and a Penske rear shock the VFR1200 now handles very similiar to the 800 (you can still tell a slight difference since the laws of physics still apply but it's not much). The brakes on the VFR1200 are much better and the engine is too (it just keeps pulling and is smoother though there is a flat spot in 1st and 2nd gear below 5K RPM). Shifting on the VFR800 was easier and smoother, although the VFR1200 is not bad. Comfort to me is about the same, as you can pretty much ride all day on either. The biggest issue I noitce is moving it around the garage...you can really feel the weight there. The VFR 1200 fuel range is about 177 miles till empty riding the back roads...around 38 MPG which I also got on the VFR 800. The best I've seen on the VFR1200 is 45 MPG on the highway. In the end, knowing what I know now, I'd still make the switch to the VFR1200.
Part of my love for the V-4's up to gen 6 has been the sound - IMHO it's in a class by itself. The first time I heard a 4th gen start up 16 years ago up I knew I had to have one. The aftermarket cans give it a mellow growl that can't be beat. I couldn't put my finger on why the 1200 seems to sound less satisfying to me with an aftermarket can on it - but reading further about it, when I saw the spec that it's 76 degrees between cylinder centerlines rather than 90, it was sort of the ah-ha moment for me. The sound of it for me is lacking compared to the earlier 90 degree motors. No doubt the narrower angle motor brings numerous claimed and real advantages - but IMO things I would gladly sacrifice to retain the character of that signature sound. I probably won't be in for a new VFR unless they go back to the 90 degree engine formula, regardless of the shaft drive, styling, range, etc.
I don't have one of the smaller displacement VFRs (750 or 800), but I do have a 2002 Aprilia Futura with the 998 Rotax V-twin (a blatant Italian copy of the VFR concept, but with the liter motor that arguably the Viffer should have had years ago.
I also just bought a 2010 VFR1200F as the successor to the Futura (as she's getting pretty long in the tooth).
I was looking at three bikes: the K1300S, the Sprint ST or GT, and the VFR.
Initially I highly favored the Beemer, but it remains very expensive and there are lots of stories of expensive maintenance. I would have bought a lightly used one, but couldn't find anything below about $13K.
The Sprints are a pretty good bargain, but the build quality is merely adequate, and I strongly prefer a shaft drive.
The VFR1200F was the winner for a bunch of reasons:
(a) the build quality is better than any motorcycle I have ever SEEN, let alone owned. THE only analogies that are appropriate are high-end autos like Lexus or Acura. The paint alone is spectacular.
(b) the power is virtually endless. Throw those concepts of Newtonian Physics right out the window; this damned thing BENDS the usual concepts of Force, Mass and Acceleration.
© AWESOME stability at speed, and I mean AT SPEED. PLUS a superior "layered" fairing. Sure, the throttle's a little balky in slow speed corners (as the Futura was before the TuneBoy mods) and lower speed turn-ins are a little heavy with the stock 021 Battlax tires, but those are easily fixable over time. 100 mph REALLY DOES feel like 65 or 70, NO JOKE.
(d) I paid $12K +TTL for a demo with 137 miles and 18 month warranty, a typical deal nowadays. At $16K+ IMHO the new VFR is a good bike, but NOT a good deal. At $12K, I think it's a screaming deal, and that price gives you lots of room for say (1) slip-on (2) Power Commander (3) suspension mods, if you like.
In my view, there are TWO main problems with the VFR1200F: (A) the tank is unnecessarily small. Just getting it ABOVE 5 US gallons would have helped quell all the bitching. Note that the new 2012 Moto Guzzi Stelvio has an 8+ US gal tank (!). There's plenty of room for say another gallon under that plastic. (B) Such a substantial (not to say HEAVY) bike with shaft drive should NOT have been called a "VFR". Maybe a VFS or VFST or VFT or SOMETHING, just not "VFR". As it is, the entire VFR fraternity expected a logical EVOLUTIONARY step (say, 50 lbs heavier, 1000cc V4, chain drive), and instead got this wild-assed thing with a VFR badge on it.
I for one am VERY happy with all the nasty reviews of this bike, as I probably wouldn't have bought it without the 25% discount, and it turns out that those reviews were unnecessarily snarky and silly.
Note, if I were in Super Twisty country, say, New England, or Northern California or the Pacific Northwest, I would have either bought a second Futura to ride while I restored the first one to NEW, or maybe have tried a Triumph Sprint ST. For Texas (and other areas with long straights and sweepers that the locals call "twisties") the new VFR is spectacular. At 95 or 100 on the superslab, the bike is so stable and you can really sit up and take in the scenery. Awesome.
Im wondering if anyone in this thread has even rode a vfr1200 hard.
Ive ridden a friends vfr800 6th gen and i can tell you it feels like a bigger heavier bike than the vfr1200 (which i own). The vfr1200 feels MUCH more nimble in the twisties imho.
The only time the 1200 feels heavier is moving it around the garage.
Brakes and suspension are also much better. Especially the brakes, which are godlike.
[image: View Post]UltraMagnus, on 28 August 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:
Im wondering if anyone in this thread has even rode a vfr1200 hard.
Ive ridden a friends vfr800 6th gen and i can tell you it feels like a bigger heavier bike than the vfr1200 (which i own). The vfr1200 feels MUCH more nimble in the twisties imho.
The only time the 1200 feels heavier is moving it around the garage.
Brakes and suspension are also much better. Especially the brakes, which are godlike.
I'm not Mr promote myself & there are allot of riders faster than me but as far as my limits go I have ridden both bikes to my limits. I don't commute at all my riding is all for fun & that fun comes from pushing my limits in tight corners & owned a vtec for 5 years which over that time was modified so to maximize the safety limit when pushed past its intended design for sports riding. I also own a CBR1000RR 08 which replaced my vtec due to the need to own one more full sports bike before my reflexes just won't do owning such a bike justis, but as this was always going to be a short term bike started looking into another sports tourer to buy & after evaluating all comers & what bikes are to be release 2012 I purchased another vtec. I have had a major test ride on the 1200 & friend has one that has major suspension upgrade & for the sports element of my riding the vtec is the hands down winner.
When I had my first vtec it was used for a number of track days & would put many a sportsbike to shame & there is noway the 1200 could be ridden with the same lean angles & aggression I could ride the vtec at, I had to change out headers on the vtec because I wore a hole in them from scraping due to the lean angle you could achieve. But to be fare the vtec does shed allot more weight than the 1200 when you change out exhaust etc.
With the riding that thrills me the vtec was the only bike that suited my return to a sports tourer which is a limited market, I didn't like the BMW only because I find the cantilever front doesn't offer the feed back I'm used to with conventional forks so limited my confidence & riding is all about confidence. The only other bikes that came close for me was the Black Bird or the ZX14 but having already owned a vtec I new what that bike is capable of which made my decision easier. I will confess if I could do without a full fairing which for me is needed for touring I would have looked very hard at the new Tuono V4 even with limited tank range. In my opinion for the sports riding I do which is why I need a sports tourer the 1200 being shaft drive is the main difference over the 800 holding it back, yes for touring it is great but I would rather change the chain & carry lube for the difference it makes in handling on the vtec. The extra power the 1200 has would be nice, but again the 1200 can only use it to the full in open sweepers & is also top speed limited so the vtec with 400cc less is still going to be right behind it even if the rider has needed to change more gears.
I must admit one ride on the 1200 and I was less then impressed, riding it for the first time on some challenging turns in Colorado on my way home with it for the first time. I thought then and still do think that the 5th gen vfr was the greatest street bike ever built, my old girl was a hard act to follow. However I have never given the 1200 the flogging it needed till this last 4500 mile trip to California I just did, I have my limits ya know, almost getting to speed at the tmac this last year I was still held back by my own psychological limitations as a rider and not quite up to the performance I turned on on the couple of 5th gens I rode in the past on those great roads of the smoky mountains. I did not take the 1200 as deep into the sweet turns of the cherehola and wolf pen gap as fast as I did on the old girl as I have done on the old girl, but this last trip to California opened up new avenues to speed to me and comfort I did not have at the beginning of of this riding season and low and behold my tires are as well scrubbed in as my 5th gen ever was and with 2 inches more of rear tire profile to boot! This bike is not to be underestimated. Underestimate it at your peril since you might find yourself chasing a 1200 in the corners and not catching up!
I really discounted this bike, with my own limitations, by not giving the due diligence it needed with a good once over for sag and proper damping, really any bike on the market cannot be given a proper review if its just not set up to the conditions to which your riding! The weight will always be a factor but I must protest the "touring" label some of the other members of this board have slapped on it, its NOT in my opinion a "touring" bike. Having owned it as a privilege of being the creator of this website for over a year now. I am smitten with it now and really happy with it. I just keep finding new ways to appreciate it for its sophistication, innovation, and sheer power. To its utter reliability, and beefed up design its really much much more then I had expected. Although it did not blow me away at first its keeps on impressing me with each new discovery of performance. I am amazed how well it performed this last 5000 miles its just a great bike that I just did not understand at first. Now that I have come to understand how to ride it well its really is a wonderful bike, and I am so grateful to have been given this bike by the members of this board. Don't discount it for an angular Kawasaki that seems to the the next generation of the vfr, its not. The 1200 is not a new generation is a complete redesign from scratch. When you figure that out you will appreciate Honda for it. And now that the prices have normalized well its much more affordable too. I know many of the hard core vtec and 5th gen riders have already written this bike off as a bust, and I almost did too for its numbers on paper, I have come to an understanding, the sum of a bike is not written on paper its written on the road.
Just to clarify my opinion the VFR1200 in Australia is still over $23K new even with our dollar so strong, in the US the cost is $10K odd less. A new vtec here is $13K so your paying close to $10K more for the 1200 & even if the 1200 technically is a better bike it's not $10K better than a vtec. If the VFR1200 here had a comparable price to the US I would own one in a heart beat & keep the CBR for day ride madness.
Plenty of 5th and 6th gen riders would like to state as "fact" that the 1200 isn't as nimble in the tight turns, based on its increased size and weight, but that simply isn't the case. 12 years of improvement in chassis design and mass centralization cannot be disregarded. The small increase in weight isn't enough to make a difference. I have ridden it on all types of roads... in my trip earlier this month I had it on every type of turn, including 100MPH sweepers the 30MPH 180' hairpins of several mountain passes, even a bunch of gravel roads.
I owned a (2000MY red) 5th gen VFR, and in its time it was the best streetbike around, but it is completely outclassed by the 1200 in almost every way. Yes the 800 is a great bike but the chassis dates back to '97 and its motor goes back much further.
Here is a list of things that the 800 can do better than the 1200:
Wheelies
30-40 more miles on a fill-up
better sound (arguably)
easier to manoeuvre around the parking lot or garage (shorter wheelbase, 40-50lbs less weight)
Here is a list of things that the 1200 does better:
Accelleration
Braking
Handling
Stability
Carrying a passenger (weight is carried within the wheelbase rather than cantilevered off the back
Carrying luggage (stronger subframe)
Wind protection
Stronger electrical system designed to accommodate more 12v gadgets and accessories
Less maintenance (no chain, longer service intervals, longer valve adjustment intervals)
Rider comfort.... call it a draw. The riding position is virtually identical but the seats are very different. People with long arms will like the 1200's tractor / saddle seat better, others will like the 800 traditional "banana" seat better. I have short arms and I needed to install helibars so I could sit in the comfortable part of the saddle and still reach the bars comfortably.
I did a small write up on this subject last spring.You can reference that for my detailed opinion. However, as a short synopsis, I will say it's a good trade. You do give up some quickness in handling, some sporty feel, and a lighter bike around the garage. The 6th gen is a slightly sportier bike. It is closer to a CBR than the 1200. That being said, it's not a CBR. If you can keep a CBR in sight on a sporty road on the 800, you can do it on the 1200 as well. It is a little more work to hustle through the corners, but you make up for it off the corners and a lot less rowing through the gears. The 7th gen is smoother, more stable and asks for a more fluid riding style. I did a 4 day ride with my Dad and brother last month. We traveled up the shore of Lake Michigan to Cross Village and back. Probably some of the best, cleanest twisty roads in MI along the way. My brother has a new Ninja1000 and is a very measured and quick street rider. I had no problems keeping up with him in the tight bits. The 1200 is more refined, more powerful, more mature as a bike line. I'm glad I made the switch, but, if I hadn't I would still love my 800. The same as I would have still loved my 5th gen if I had never bought my 6th gen. It's personal taste. I love my 7th gen. I loved my 5th and 6th gens as well. The 1200 is a great bike. Those that denigrate it have never hustled that stable, powerful bike through a set of linked corners and squirted off the last one with the ferocity of a 150 hp V4. Ride safe. Phobe's comments above are spot on. It's a great bike. Ride safe.
Mark
For reference, my riding experience starting at age 5 (in order)...........
1970 Honda Z50
1978 Kawasaki KE100
1982 Honda FT500 Ascot
1986 Kawasaki 900 Ninja
1984 Honda Nighthawk S
2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
2001 Suzuki SV650S
2001 Honda RC51
2000 Honda VFR800
2001 Ducati 748S
2003 Honda CBR600RR
2003 Buell XB9S
2003 Suzuki SV1000S
2000 Honda VFR800
2007 Honda VFR800
2005 Ducati 800SS
2010 Honda VFR1200F
I am a 46 years old Daddy with two kids.
[image: View Post]DANO, on 26 August 2011 - 12:44 AM, said:
Ok, just looking for an honest opinion on the transition from VFR 800 sixth gen to 1200 VFR. I am tempted to pull the tigger but just looking for those who have ; your pro's and cons. Things like hows the power compare, the handling, the cruising range etc. Not what the Honda salesguy say. Thanks.
Dan
Sorry, I wrote an editorial without answering your specifics.
-Power - NO COMPARISON....you will shift much less. It's a bullet!
-Handling - It's heavier, but not an issue. I am 5'7" and 155 lbs. No problem hustling it through a set of tight twisty's. The bike prefers a fluid style where as the 6th gen can be more tossed around. It's not a huge difference though. It is more work if you forget to be fluid. None if you simply ride the way a big, long, dead ass stable bike needs to be ridden.........fluid. Then it is very rewarding.
-Cruising Range - Yeah, it doesn't go as far. It matters to me none because my skinny butt wants to stop at 120-150 miles anyway. Just like it has since my ZRX and longer rides. This was no change for me from my 6th gen as I would have stopped anyway.
-Honda sales guys - they know NOTHING about their product. You need to do what you are doing and that is to educate yourself.
Hope it helps. Good luck and ride safe.
Mark
[image: View Post]hareynolds, on 27 August 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:
In my view, there are TWO main problems with the VFR1200F: (A) the tank is unnecessarily small.
Rumour1) is that at EICMA in Milan (november 10-13), Honda will show an update for the VFR1200. Some cosmetic changes and a larger gas tank.
1) From a dealer with good contacts within Honda Europe.
At 95 or 100 on the superslab, the bike is so stable and you can really sit up and take in the scenery))))))))
That sounds Identical to my 6th Gen , even in Better curve enviornments, it does that Great
[image: View Post]V4 Rosso, on 19 September 2011 - 05:49 AM, said:
[image: View Post]hareynolds, on 27 August 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:
In my view, there are TWO main problems with the VFR1200F: (A) the tank is unnecessarily small.
Rumour1) is that at EICMA in Milan (november 10-13), Honda will show an update for the VFR1200. Some cosmetic changes and a larger gas tank.
1) From a dealer with good contacts within Honda Europe.
Let me gues: Ten Kate Nieuwleusden or Molenaar ijselstein :)
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