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Time to Vote !

Should we be seeing buttons to vote with, or just reply?  If by reply, my vote is 8th gen. 

We  need  buttons ..

I vote for buttons...

:comp13:   :warranty:

Done...

8  ......

Yep - 8.

If you base it on the way the previous generations were categorized, it should be considered 8.

I was looking for being able to check 2 buttons.  A 6.3 and I dont care at the same time......

It appears to be an assemblage of spare shop parts.  Shame on you Honda.  We demand better than this !

8. The 7th gen will be a gap in the fossil record.

It's an 8th gen. Look at the 90-93 vs 94-97 differences and they are different gens.. Same motor different gens.

Keep it simple stupid.

8th gen.

The 1200 is also a VFR, like it or not. There have been 750, 800 & 1200 cc versions. So what? Honda released them all as VFRs.

It's an 8th gen. Look at the 90-93 vs 94-97 differences and they are different gens.. Same motor different gens.

Keep it simple stupid.

8th gen.

The 1200 is also a VFR, like it or not. There have been 750, 800 & 1200 cc versions. So what? Honda released them all as VFRs.

And a 1000 and in the US a 700 as well...

It's an 8th gen. Look at the 90-93 vs 94-97 differences and they are different gens.. Same motor different gens.

Keep it simple stupid.

8th gen.

The 1200 is also a VFR, like it or not. There have been 750, 800 & 1200 cc versions. So what? Honda released them all as VFRs.

And a 1000 and in the US a 700 as well...

700, yes. 1000, no.

It's an 8th gen. Look at the 90-93 vs 94-97 differences and they are different gens.. Same motor different gens.

Keep it simple stupid.

8th gen.

The 1200 is also a VFR, like it or not. There have been 750, 800 & 1200 cc versions. So what? Honda released them all as VFRs.

And a 1000 and in the US a 700 as well...

700, yes. 1000, no.

Actually 1000 yes in the first gen VF1000F and I consider the VF1000R with GDC a real VFR even if you want to go by semantics and not include the first gen VF models...

Oop's

Oop's

right back atcha....

Boy  a  lot  of  VFRer's  are  gettin  there  come-upins ....

Definitely an 8. Can't wait to get one!

It's an 8th gen. Look at the 90-93 vs 94-97 differences and they are different gens.. Same motor different gens.

Keep it simple stupid.

8th gen.

The 1200 is also a VFR, like it or not. There have been 750, 800 & 1200 cc versions. So what? Honda released them all as VFRs.

And a 1000 and in the US a 700 as well...

700, yes. 1000, no.

Actually 1000 yes in the first gen VF1000F and I consider the VF1000R with GDC a real VFR even if you want to go by semantics and not include the first gen VF models...

I do consider 83-85 to be gen 1... but they are VF's, not VFR's... IMO.

Oop's

right back atcha....

Oop's  Oop's

It's an 8th gen. Look at the 90-93 vs 94-97 differences and they are different gens.. Same motor different gens.

Keep it simple stupid.

8th gen.

The 1200 is also a VFR, like it or not. There have been 750, 800 & 1200 cc versions. So what? Honda released them all as VFRs.

And a 1000 and in the US a 700 as well...

700, yes. 1000, no.

Actually 1000 yes in the first gen VF1000F and I consider the VF1000R with GDC a real VFR even if you want to go by semantics and not include the first gen VF models...

I do consider 83-85 to be gen 1... but they are VF's, not VFR's... IMO.

And   more  come-upins  .........

It's an 8th gen. Look at the 90-93 vs 94-97 differences and they are different gens.. Same motor different gens.

Keep it simple stupid.

8th gen.

The 1200 is also a VFR, like it or not. There have been 750, 800 & 1200 cc versions. So what? Honda released them all as VFRs.

And a 1000 and in the US a 700 as well...

700, yes. 1000, no.

Actually 1000 yes in the first gen VF1000F and I consider the VF1000R with GDC a real VFR even if you want to go by semantics and not include the first gen VF models...

To make the list complete (with the help of wikipedia)

VF

VF400F (NC13)

VF500F interceptor

VF700F interceptor

V45 VF750S and V65 VF1100 Sabre

VFR

VFR400 (NC21,NC24,NC30)

It's an 8th gen. Look at the 90-93 vs 94-97 differences and they are different gens.. Same motor different gens.

Keep it simple stupid.

8th gen.

The 1200 is also a VFR, like it or not. There have been 750, 800 & 1200 cc versions. So what? Honda released them all as VFRs.

And a 1000 and in the US a 700 as well...

700, yes. 1000, no.

Actually 1000 yes in the first gen VF1000F and I consider the VF1000R with GDC a real VFR even if you want to go by semantics and not include the first gen VF models...

I do consider 83-85 to be gen 1... but they are VF's, not VFR's... IMO.

I don't consider the first gen VFs as VFRs (they were Interceptors) but I do make an exception for the 85-86 VF1000R with GDC a VF-R so semantics aside we have had 250, 400, 500, 700, 750, 800 (781), 1000 and 1200 VF, Interceptors, and VFRs from Honda just to clarify the point Auspanol was making.

But you don't need a history lesson, I have seen that 2187 mile original first gen in your garage (or is it 1871 miles...?) either way it is awesome.

It's an 8th gen. Look at the 90-93 vs 94-97 differences and they are different gens.. Same motor different gens.

Keep it simple stupid.

8th gen.

The 1200 is also a VFR, like it or not. There have been 750, 800 & 1200 cc versions. So what? Honda released them all as VFRs.

And a 1000 and in the US a 700 as well...

700, yes. 1000, no.

Actually 1000 yes in the first gen VF1000F and I consider the VF1000R with GDC a real VFR even if you want to go by semantics and not include the first gen VF models...

To make the list complete (with the help of wikipedia)

VF

VF400F (NC13)

VF500F interceptor

VF700F interceptor

V45 VF750S and V65 VF1100 Sabre

VFR

VFR400 (NC21,NC24,NC30)

plus the VT250 which had the Interceptor nomenclature as well...the bottom end was half a 400 and the top end was half a 500...

Oh, c'mon.  The VTR250 wasn't even a V4!

The "generation" thing was always a US invention, as it completely ignored the ROW.  As a result, it is impossible for it to "make sense", so if people want to call the new VTEC the "8th-gen", sure, why not.  Honda will never use that terminology, but it is helpful to know which is which if you want to be understood by Yanks...  :cool:

Ciao,

It's an 8th gen. Look at the 90-93 vs 94-97 differences and they are different gens.. Same motor different gens.

Keep it simple stupid.

8th gen.

The 1200 is also a VFR, like it or not. There have been 750, 800 & 1200 cc versions. So what? Honda released them all as VFRs.

And a 1000 and in the US a 700 as well...

700, yes. 1000, no.

Actually 1000 yes in the first gen VF1000F and I consider the VF1000R with GDC a real VFR even if you want to go by semantics and not include the first gen VF models...

I do consider 83-85 to be gen 1... but they are VF's, not VFR's... IMO.

I don't consider the first gen VFs as VFRs (they were Interceptors) but I do make an exception for the 85-86 VF1000R with GDC a VF-R so semantics aside we have had 250, 400, 500, 700, 750, 800 (781), 1000 and 1200 VF, Interceptors, and VFRs from Honda just to clarify the point Auspanol was making.

But you don't need a history lesson, I have seen that 2187 mile original first gen in your garage (or is it 1871 miles...?) either way it is awesome.

It's an 8th gen. Look at the 90-93 vs 94-97 differences and they are different gens.. Same motor different gens.

Keep it simple stupid.

8th gen.

The 1200 is also a VFR, like it or not. There have been 750, 800 & 1200 cc versions. So what? Honda released them all as VFRs.

And a 1000 and in the US a 700 as well...

700, yes. 1000, no.

Actually 1000 yes in the first gen VF1000F and I consider the VF1000R with GDC a real VFR even if you want to go by semantics and not include the first gen VF models...

To make the list complete (with the help of wikipedia)

VF

VF400F (NC13)

VF500F interceptor

VF700F interceptor

V45 VF750S and V65 VF1100 Sabre

VFR

VFR400 (NC21,NC24,NC30)

plus the VT250 which had the Interceptor nomenclature as well...the bottom end was half a 400 and the top end was half a 500...

You  guys  crack  me  up   !!!!!!  Will  settle  this  on  the  DRAGON  at  TMAC2014...

I would think it makes sense to call it a 7th gen and recategorize the 1200 as a 1st gen 1200.

But most likely every mag will call it an 8th gen. So to keep it consistent - 8th gen.

Make it easy, like Porsche did with the 911 for the last 50 years and specify type (2.0 l, 2.7 l, S, RS, Carrera, Turbo etc.)

VFR 750F-model 1988

VFR 800 - model 1998 - model 2014

VFR1200F-model 2010 etc.

Wait, were does the RC30 fall then, if the '86-'87 Was Gen 1, '88-'89 Gen 2, '90-'93 Gen 3, what does that make the RC?  It was a VFR750R, maybe Gen 0 since it came out first? ('86 in Japan if I remember correct).

Wait, were does the RC30 fall then, if the '86-'87 Was Gen 1, '88-'89 Gen 2, '90-'93 Gen 3, what does that make the RC?  It was a VFR750R, maybe Gen 0 since it came out first? ('86 in Japan if I remember correct).

Nothing makes sence, even the name V-Four ROAD 750 RACE.

Now  you  done  it  ...

Now  you  done  it  ...

:goofy:

If i does not make it to the US, why should we in the US care what it is.....Just like many other Euro/Japan only bikes from the past they came and went and we never noticed.......

Hmmmmm   ........

From a 6th gen to an 8th gen kinda implies major upgrades an improvements to the bike. The new 800 is more updates with the same frame and engine.  A 5th to a 6th was a frame and engine change, this new 800 continues the carryover engine and frame. - A gen change seems to imply an engine/frame change.....

Just stirring the pot for fun, but I'm back to - ok its a 7th gen and the 1200 is a first gen 12.  -- Oh, wait, there's no engine /frame change so how 'bout 6.5 gen? 

(lol)   :beer:

I would think it makes sense to call it a 7th gen and recategorize the 1200 as a 1st gen 1200.

My thoughts exactly! When the CBR900RR came out in '92 it was a new motorcycle, not a next generation CBR600. Aside from being a high quality V4 sport tourer, the VFR1200 doesn't have much in common with the VFR line. Is the VFR1200X a 7.5 Gen too?

Well, if a US member needs help in buying one in NL and ship it to the USA........ :-)

From a 6th gen to an 8th gen kinda implies major upgrades an improvements to the bike. The new 800 is more updates with the same frame and engine.  A 5th to a 6th was a frame and engine change, this new 800 continues the carryover engine and frame. - A gen change seems to imply an engine/frame change.....

Just stirring the pot for fun, but I'm back to - ok its a 7th gen and the 1200 is a first gen 12.  -- Oh, wait, there's no engine /frame change so how 'bout 6.5 gen? 

(lol)   :beer:

3rd and 4th gens are darn near identical.  Does plastic changes count? It did in the early 90's. . .

So   is  this  the  end  of  the  7th Gen  ????   I  think  so  ....

I would think it makes sense to call it a 7th gen and recategorize the 1200 as a 1st gen 1200.

I agree.


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So   is  this  the  end  of  the  7th Gen  ????   I  think  so  ....

I agree.  The 7th gen was in some ways a victim of the times in which it was introduced - the worst economy in 50 years certainly did not help its fortunes.   Honda sank a good amount of cash in to a clean sheet of paper design and with slow sales probably lost their shirt on it - and I'd guess has decided to cut its losses.  There's no telling how many un-sold they have remaining, but they'll get ever harder to move as leftovers with an MSRP that's well above the '14 version.   We can all say we want to about what we do or don't like here, but what we really communicate to Honda with is our Dollars, not our keyboards.  Hopefully the '14 will do well. 

So  is  this  the  radiator  or  what ?

So   is  this  the  end  of  the  7th Gen  ????   I  think  so  ....

I agree.  The 7th gen was in some ways a victim of the times in which it was introduced - the worst economy in 50 years certainly did not help its fortunes.   Honda sank a good amount of cash in to a clean sheet of paper design and with slow sales probably lost their shirt on it - and I'd guess has decided to cut its losses.  There's no telling how many un-sold they have remaining, but they'll get ever harder to move as leftovers with an MSRP that's well above the '14 version.   We can all say we want to about what we do or don't like here, but what we really communicate to Honda with is our Dollars, not our keyboards.  Hopefully the '14 will do well. 

Or maybe it becomes the basis for the 3rd gen ST...following the ST1100 and ST1300

Wait, were does the RC30 fall then, if the '86-'87 Was Gen 1, '88-'89 Gen 2, '90-'93 Gen 3, what does that make the RC?  It was a VFR750R, maybe Gen 0 since it came out first? ('86 in Japan if I remember correct).

Good question about where the RC30 falls in 'generational status" but the 86-87 was actually the 2nd generation Interceptor/VF/VFR and the RC30 was homologation race special. The 83-85 was the 1G gen Interceptor V45F / VF750F whatever the country designation was depends on where you live.

Oh, c'mon.  The VTR250 wasn't even a V4!

The "generation" thing was always a US invention, as it completely ignored the ROW.  As a result, it is impossible for it to "make sense", so if people want to call the new VTEC the "8th-gen", sure, why not.  Honda will never use that terminology, but it is helpful to know which is which if you want to be understood by Yanks...  :cool:

Ciao,

I didn't say it was a V4 (it is obviously a Vtwin) but it was dubbed an Interceptor here in the US and it was the love child of two V4's as the engine was developed.

And it is easier to understand what Gen you have than to decipher the registration year followed by a random alphabetical suffix as you Brits do (at least to us simple Yanks.)

Looks  like  8gen  is  the  consensus .....

8th Gen aka "Scarlett"

Stop complicating things, my psych meds don't allow for such cooler thought processes. The first VTEC was the 6th gen.. Some people contrived the 6.5 gen when Honda made some minor improvements to the wiring harness and VTEC engagement configuration, but they were very slight mods.. Hence the plus 0.5

We have now lived with the 1200 extra-officially as the 7th gen for several years now.. It's just popular jargon for making life easier and doesn't require Honda's blessing.

So why complicate things?

This new version has a new nomenclature albeit only an F at the end: VFR800F

And it has enough modifications to more than justify a new street gen ID as the 8th gen: complete aesthetic update, new SSSA, forks, brakes, console, electronics, TC, rims, shnitzel loads of new bits. Only the frame and crankcase are the same.

It's an 8th gen.

Now go ride your bike!!

Stop complicating things, my psych meds don't allow for such cooler thought processes. The first VTEC was the 6th gen.. Some people contrived the 6.5 gen when Honda made some minor improvements to the wiring harness and VTEC engagement configuration, but they were very slight mods.. Hence the plus 0.5

We have now lived with the 1200 extra-officially as the 7th gen for several years now.. It's just popular jargon for making life easier and doesn't require Honda's blessing.

So why complicate things?

This new version has a new nomenclature albeit only an F at the end: VFR800F

And it has enough modifications to more than justify a new street gen ID as the 8th gen: complete aesthetic update, new SSSA, forks, brakes, console, electronics, TC, rims, shnitzel loads of new bits. Only the frame and crankcase are the same.

It's an 8th gen.

Now go ride your bike!!

+1

It's 5.5...a hybrid of 5th & 6th Gens.

I was hoping to find the I DON'T CARE vote on there and it was there.

Thank you.

It's 5.5...a hybrid of 5th & 6th Gens.

:laughing6-hehe:

Hey, there's no 7th gen button. 

It's 5.5...a hybrid of 5th & 6th Gens.

:laughing6-hehe:

Hey, there's no 7th gen button. 

That is simple, because the 7th gen came out 4 years ago as 2010 model...you can check that section of this forum. They are a pretty good bike for intrastate-two-up sport-touring.

Keep your wigs on girls!!

It's real simple. It ain't Chinese algebra.

The last two-wheeled motorized contraption brought out by Honda with the name VFR, albeit a 1200, was given the benefit of the doubt and defined, in the US, as the 7th gen.

This is Honda's new offering and it differs enough from previous gens to be called an 8th gen.

Keep it simple stupid!!

OLE!!!!!!!!! :-)

Why  didn't  we  think  of  that   ...

I am of two minds on this...as JZH has previously stated the VFs and VFRs that were not imported to North America have no "Generation" designation as this is an American contrivance to differentiate the models.  For example, the NC30 and NC35 have no Gen tag attached to them.  Therefore this newest VFR should not have a Gen tag attached either.

The other part of the equation that has me divided on this is that today the world is connected via the interweb....and a new VFR (even one launched in Italy and sold not in North America) is still Ron Burgundy (kind of a big deal) to everyone here. So it should have a Gen tag.

Either way, if it does get tagged, the tag is 8Gen because we can't put the toothpaste back in the tube and renumber every model to account for other global models now. It would just be salt in the wound.

61% say it's an 8th gen... :ph34r:

Typical as I have learned in life - If I prefer to "zig" one way,  the majority will prefer to "zag" the other way.

---  Well here we go again .. just for a bar stool argument.. 

Since the long history of the VFR comes from a middleweight displacement at 750/700 and 800(781) and all the gens are named(designated) from that line, the 1200 (now) as any gen seems out of place. So, I'm at the new 800 is a 7th gen as the true evolution of the VFR roots and the 1200 is just a 1200 or 1st gen if you gotta go there. 

Its all silly shit anyhoo------ 

-But in the end it will fall where it may. 

Beers for all. [image: eagerness.png]

Its a warmed over 6th gen. I call it a step backwards for Honda. Who says they don't listen to their customers. Its all those whiny vetec owners that made Honda placate them with this microwaved 6th gen.

Before every one blows their head gasket, I'm just kidding. I really don't care.

I think the whole thing became ridiculous when they didn't rename the 2012 7th gen the 7.5 gen and when they finally add cruise control then you will really have the 8th gen.

Bill

:mad:

I think the whole thing became ridiculous when they didn't rename the 2012 7th gen the 7.5 gen and when they finally add cruise control then you will really have the 8th gen.

Bill

"they"???

It is a figment of VFR owners imagination in the US...............

Will  see  about  that  .....

:mad:

:laughing6-hehe:

Must be taken in the intent given. I love all of them. But to emphasize my point. I thought the gens were tied to engine models. This makes the 1200 the seventh and the 2014 800 still the sixth since it is the same ol engine.

But on a friendlier note why do these discussions always come up during the winter no riding season?  Because we ain't riding.

:mad:

:laughing6-hehe:

Must be taken in the intent given. I love all of them. But to emphasize my point. I thought the gens were tied to engine models. This makes the 1200 the seventh and the 2014 800 still the sixth since it is the same ol engine.

But on a friendlier note why do these discussions always come up during the winter no riding season?  Because we ain't riding.

Yeh  your  right  ....

There is no "they" who designate the gen of a VFR...it is only in the US that such nomenclature exists and it is not to stir the pot but to help ease confusion when discussing which VF/VFR/Interceptor you are working on the electrical system of...

The 1200 was named a VFR by Honda.

The "new" is not available in the US where "generation" names solely exist.

If it does come here it is most assuredly an 8th gen as the differences between it and the 6G are much greater than the differences between the 3G and 4G.

Now, has anyone found a part number for the new rear swingarm yet? TexasMac will be here soon and I need to finish some mods...

I'm confused about all this designation argument C is for inline VF v-4 and VT is for twin, this is true Honda designation from the factory, and this section is for last gen. I agree that the 1200 should have it's own designation as first gen. VFT for touring, I don't remember any controversy about the CBR1100xx it was simply the BLACKBIRD but if you are old enough maybe you remember that CB evolved from sport to super sport to what we now only call sport and a compromise was made to make powerful and light machines who are about .7 to.9 liters, .8 to 1.2 are really different machines, engine is different in the 1200 than older VF bikes and if Honda uses the same engine in the new VFR then you can not argue that the successor is the new bike and the 1200 has it's own niche like the BLACKBIRD.

Yeah but it's too late now. The 1200 has already been designated the 7th gen and has been known as such for years now. You can't turn back the force of habit and time.

:wacko:

I'm confused about all this designation argument C is for inline VF v-4 and VT is for twin, this is true Honda designation from the factory, and this section is for last gen. I agree that the 1200 should have it's own designation as first gen. VFT for touring, I don't remember any controversy about the CBR1100xx it was simply the BLACKBIRD but if you are old enough maybe you remember that CB evolved from sport to super sport to what we now only call sport and a compromise was made to make powerful and light machines who are about .7 to.9 liters, .8 to 1.2 are really different machines, engine is different in the 1200 than older VF bikes and if Honda uses the same engine in the new VFR then you can not argue that the successor is the new bike and the 1200 has it's own niche like the BLACKBIRD.

The CBR125R is has a single-cylinder engine, which isn't really an "inline" anything.  An ST is also a V4.  NSRs are also V-twins, as are XLs.  GLs are flat fours or sixes, I suppose.  A CX is definitely not an inline...

You're looking at Model Names and trying to square that with engine configurations, but Honda has never been so rigid.

Ciao,

The topic that refuses to die......................  :goofy:

There is no "they" who designate the gen of a VFR...it is only in the US that such nomenclature exists
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The "new" is not available in the US where "generation" names solely exist.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I really have to contradict you on this one.

Anyone anywhere in the world who wants to discuss VFRs with like-minded owners will come across the generation designations sooner or later, and they will start to use them for their convenience. This is especially true of those who live in other English speaking countries, because they will come across the generation designations very quickly (eg: OzVFR in Australia uses the generation nomenclature extensively).

Yes, the nomenclature may well be largely decided by American owners (because the largest forums are based in the USA), but there is also input into the final vote on generational nomenclature from VFR owners all over the world, including owners from nations that don't have English as their official language.

It may not be Honda's nomenclature, but it's far from being isolated to the USA.

Sorry for contradicting you, but there's a wider picture that you seemed not to realise about.

I'm confused about all this designation argument C is for inline VF v-4 and VT is for twin, this is true Honda designation from the factory, and this section is for last gen. I agree that the 1200 should have it's own designation as first gen. VFT for touring, I don't remember any controversy about the CBR1100xx it was simply the BLACKBIRD but if you are old enough maybe you remember that CB evolved from sport to super sport to what we now only call sport and a compromise was made to make powerful and light machines who are about .7 to.9 liters, .8 to 1.2 are really different machines, engine is different in the 1200 than older VF bikes and if Honda uses the same engine in the new VFR then you can not argue that the successor is the new bike and the 1200 has it's own niche like the BLACKBIRD.

CB is "Cross Beam"...CBR Cross Beam Racer, not necessarily inline as long as the engine is "cross beam" or perpendicular to the frame so I suppose one could stretch the definition of CBR to include the single cylinder 250.

Regarding the VFR1200F being a VF-T...I t would be a VFR1200T and I would be for it although no such animal (VF-T) exists (or at least has not been sold on any of the continents I have drooled over bikes on) but as with the CB (and CBRs) Honda have a history of the suffix defining their vision of the intended use of the bike.  F is sport oriented, K was custom (CB750K) and once Honda could no longer keep Suzuki, Yamaha and Kawasaki at bay on the track with their street/sport oriented CBR600F4i (Cross Beam Racer displacing approximately 600cc in sport/street 4th generation with fuel injection) Honda had to build a Boy Racer.

Since in the early 2000's Bailey Rock was well on his way to infamy Honda's attorneys wisely chose not to go with CBR600BR and instead adopted a CBR600RR or Race Replica designation for the new middle weight.

Alas, with the death of Soichiro, it seems that the Accountants (seconded by the Marketing weenies) run the company now and the Engineers are left to reminisce so almost any engine configuration can be called almost anything today and when the bike doesn't sell well enough bring on the BNG!

There is no "they" who designate the gen of a VFR...it is only in the US that such nomenclature exists
 
The "new" is not available in the US where "generation" names solely exist.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I really have to contradict you on this one.

Anyone anywhere in the world who wants to discuss VFRs with like-minded owners will come across the generation designations sooner or later, and they will start to use them for their convenience. This is especially true of those who live in other English speaking countries, because they will come across the generation designations very quickly (eg: OzVFR in Australia uses the generation nomenclature extensively).

Yes, the nomenclature may well be largely decided by American owners (because the largest forums are based in the USA), but there is also input into the final vote on generational nomenclature from VFR owners all over the world, including owners from nations that don't have English as their official language.

It may not be Honda's nomenclature, but it's far from being isolated to the USA.

Sorry for contradicting you, but there's a wider picture that you seemed not to realise about.

 I haven't been to Australia since the early 80's (before Al Gore invented the internet) so I will take your word regarding the generational designation being used extensively in other English speaking countries especially in online forums. I was merely trying to answer the question from page 2 or 3 as to why the VFR400's (both NC30 and NC35) and the RC30's/RC45's have no generational designation.

I assumed (possibly incorrectly) that since the 400s specifically were available in England and Australia and had no generational designation then it was largely a contrivance of the US of A and not one to be braggadocio about as I tend to be more inclusive and would have loved to have a 400 here. I merely thought it easier for us simple American's to deal with than the VFR800Fix-j registration or whatever nonsense (to me) that I try to decipher when shopping for bikes and parts in other countries.

Either way the die is cast, the 2014 VFR800F is the 8th Gen and even the carrion have left this carcass of a discussion as there is nothing left of the old gray mare to beat. The bones are picked clean and it would take an archeologist to figure out what we are so passionately discussing.

We don't use the gen designations in Spain.. Not sure about other Mediterranean or EU countries.

I haven't been to Australia since the early 80's (before Al Gore invented the internet) so I will take your word regarding the generational designation being used extensively in�other English speaking countries especially in online forums. I was merely trying to answer the question from page 2�or 3 as to why the VFR400's (both NC30 and NC35) and the RC30's/RC45's have no generational designation.
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I assumed (possibly incorrectly) that since the 400s specifically were available in England and Australia and had no generational designation then it was largely a contrivance of the US of A and not one to be braggadocio about as I tend to be more inclusive and would have loved to have a 400 here. I merely thought it easier for us simple American's to deal with than the VFR800Fix-j registration or whatever nonsense (to me) that I try to decipher when shopping for bikes and parts in other countries.
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Either way the die is cast, the 2014 VFR800F is the 8th Gen and even the carrion have left this carcass of a discussion as there is nothing left of the old gray mare to beat. The bones are picked clean and it would take an archeologist to figure out what we are so passionately discussing.
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No worries mate. :)

My archeological skills weren't the best either, or I would've realised you were talking about the 400's. :)

Perhaps now is a good time to make generational designations for the 400's... ;)

400's   Oh  No   ..

:unsure:

Too confusing.  I am going with the year and model from now on.  I ride a 2004 VFR.  What do you ride?

03   

Em.. :unsure:

Mine's an EU 03 frame grafted onto an 07 with an 04 front end and a US ECU non-ABS VTEC RC46.

:blink:

Em.. :unsure:

Mine's an EU 03 frame grafted onto an 07 with an 04 front end and a US ECU non-ABS VTEC RC46.

:blink:

Nice "totum revolutum" ;)

 NSRs are also V-twins, as are XLs.

NSR-500 was a V-4, and NS-500 was a two stroke V-3.

NSR-250 was the only V-twin I can recall.

NSR-150 was a single.

NSR-125 was a single.

NSR-50 was a single.

All of the XL's for a couple of decades were singles. 

AFIK, the Transalp was the first V-twin XL bike, the XL600V, released in the mid 80's.  Since then they've upped its displacement to make it the XL650V and the XL700V.    Starting around 2000, they came out with the Varadero XL125V and the XL1000V based on the Superhawk VT1000F 996cc motor.  I don't recall them ever being imported to the USA.  All the other conventional V-twins I can think of have been designated NT and VT...and then there are the CX and GL transverse V-twins made famous on the CX-500Turbo and GL500/650 Silverwing (before the scooter).  

Sorry if this has been hashed out already.  I didn't feel like reading through the complete thread.

Sure, but the NSR500 was not a Honda...it was an HRC!  (Let's not mix up Honda production models with HRC prototypes, shall we?)  Maybe you meant NS400R, the production 2-stroke triple?

Anyway, my point (which you have helped prove) was that Honda has never religiously stuck to any kind of "rule" that connected engine configuration with model names or model prefixes.  They're all over the board.  It's senseless to see patterns where there clearly are none.

Ciao,

I meant all of the NSR's.  There's only a handful.  The only twin, the NSR250 was also HRC.  If we use your logic of HRC being a completely separate entity instead of a division of Honda, then Honda never made an NSR twin at all.  The Thailand/Taiwan Honda NSR150 and smaller Honda NSR's were singles.  :491:

As to the second point, you're dead on.  It seems like different groups over the years jumped back and forth between naming bikes based on engine configuration or intended use or some combination.  The XL/XR series used to be single cyl. off-road bikes which they sometimes put lights and blinkers on.  More recent big-wigs evidently thought the Transalp should be an XL instead of a VT, even though it is more on-road than off.  Makes you want to sit down with them and say, "WTF?"  :tongue:

Well, the NSR250R, MC18, MC21 and MC28 2-stroke twins were all Honda production models; they were not made by HRC (despite the stickers on some of the race reps).  I have the (Honda) parts books to prove it!

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Ciao,

^^^^^^^

Soooo hot, want to touch the heinie.

^^^^^^^

Soooo hot, want to touch the heinie.

Smokin', one might say....  :cool:

Ciao,

"Paging Billy Madison...you have left your penguin in the lobby."

I saw two last weekend up on Angeles Crest Highway. I know, I know, pics or it didn't happen!
 
 
 
 
 
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Oh yeah, and one of these "old" things...

Stuff the 8th gen… thats a SAAB Sonnet in the background!

That just was one of many "unique" vehicles that were up there. A couple of car clubs came rolling through as well, but they didn't stop at the Ranch, just drove by. One thing about So Cal during the summer, lots of people out and about in their "weekend" cars and/or bikes! Especially on Sunday.

I've got to buy me a small digital camera to carry around on rides, somehow mom thought that I gave her my camera, not loan it to her. How do you tell your mom she misunderstood and that you want it back? You don't you just tell her enjoy the camera and I'll get a new one! Although the iPhone does take some decent shots, it's a little clumsy when trying to snap a quick picture. Having a dedicated camera will also help document some of these rides better, I'm so bad at capturing the scenery and attendees.

Ok Honda, Listen up. 20 more HP, center stand and Inverted Forks and I'm buying tomorrow, seriously. I even like the VTEC.  Love the looks on this new one. really love the looks of it. My 2004 has 70000 miles, no commuting, just mountains and canyon carving. Amazing motorcycle the 800 VFR so you, HONDA, are sooooo close to perfection with the 2014.

^^  That's what I told the reps at the Seattle M/C show, though I did toss in gear driven cams.  I guess we'll have to see what they do.  

Ok Honda, Listen up. 20 more HP, center stand and Inverted Forks and I'm buying tomorrow, seriously. I even like the VTEC.  Love the looks on this new one. really love the looks of it. My 2004 has 70000 miles, no commuting, just mountains and canyon carving. Amazing motorcycle the 800 VFR so you, HONDA, are sooooo close to perfection with the 2014.

8th Gen comes with a centre-stand. The reviews in the bike press in the UK, US & Europe have been positive regarding the suspension. Hand-on-heart how often do you find yourself WOT at max revs asking for more? There is always the VFR1200 if you must have inverted forks & too much horsepower, but does that make the riding experience better? 

Or, put the 1200 motor in this bike. Supposedly the 1200 motor is smaller because of the cylinder arrangement and call this the VFR Interceptor SST. Super Sport Tourer.

I thought the center stand was an option? Inverted forks should be included on a bike with the history and following of the VFR which is practically their flagship motorcycle. And I'm not asking for 160 HP, just about 20 more would be perfect.

dfh is referring to that in Australia we only get what you call the deluxe version with all the bells and whistles.

Psst. Honda. It's all about the engine. Beef it up. Make it a 130 HP 1000 cc unit. True enthusiasts always upgrade the suspension anyway. It's all about the engine.

The US Deluxe model has heated grips, traction control, anti lock brakes, self canceling turn signals, center stand and front and rear adjustable suspension, the standard does not have this stuff. Aside from the self canceling turn signals which take getting used to, everything is great about the bike.

The bike was designed to perform a certain way by Honda, so aside from appearance how much of a difference would inverted forks make? I know it already handles great, it seems to handle better than my old CBR600 did even when it was new.

I personally was looking for more usable power in everyday riding over my cbr600, more stability, more comfort, and a bike that not every 3rd to 5th 20 something has, and it does all of these things great, in fact a few things far better. I also found it has a better ride, more power, and the sound from that engine is a treat.

Yeah having 120 hp would be nice on paper. Would it realistically improve the bike for use on the road? Maybe, who knows.

Thanks  for  input  SHvar  ..

So the US-spec bikes are "Interceptors" and not "VFRs", according to the fairing badges? 

Ciao,

Hmmm  ..   Looks  like  it  ..

So the US-spec bikes are "Interceptors" and not "VFRs", according to the fairing badges? 

Ciao,

So the new 2014 VFR800 is NOT a VFR? and My 2009 VFR800 has the Interceptor badge on the rear side cowls, is it not a VFR as well? Did I join the wrong forum? Is there an 'Interceptordiscussion.com' or 'Interceptorworld.com'? :goofy:

The US seems to get fancy names for a few Honda bikes, eg CBR600 was a Hurricane and the VTR1000 was a Superhawk IIRC, nowhere else got these either.

The US seems to get fancy names for a few Honda bikes, eg CBR600 was a Hurricane and the VTR1000 was a Superhawk IIRC, nowhere else got these either.

Funny how that works really. Superhawk in the US only name for the VTR1000 due to the cult bike popularity of the 650 Hawk, a NTV650 with chain drive rather than shaft & alloy frame over the NTV's identical looking steel jobbie. VTR1000 was called Firestorm in most markets except Germany as he expression has negative connotations. CBR 900/929/954/1000 series known as Fireblade here & in the UK plus the CBR1100 was Blackbird or XX depending on market. I would guess that Interceptor was USA only as the 'murican name for a fighter plane is interceptor, but for the rest of us its a bit "meh". 

The US seems to get fancy names for a few Honda bikes, eg CBR600 was a Hurricane and the VTR1000 was a Superhawk IIRC, nowhere else got these either.

Funny how that works really. Superhawk in the US only name for the VTR1000 due to the cult bike popularity of the 650 Hawk, a NTV650 with chain drive rather than shaft & alloy frame over the NTV's identical looking steel jobbie. VTR1000 was called Firestorm in most markets except Germany as he expression has negative connotations. CBR 900/929/954/1000 series known as Fireblade here & in the UK plus the CBR1100 was Blackbird or XX depending on market. I would guess that Interceptor was USA only as the 'murican name for a fighter plane is interceptor, but for the rest of us its a bit "meh". 

Kind of looks like a Capri but it is in fact  "the last of the V8 Interceptors"

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For a while there I had (one of) the last of the VFR800 Interceptors! Damn 2014 model ended that reign.

The US seems to get fancy names for a few Honda bikes, eg CBR600 was a Hurricane and the VTR1000 was a Superhawk IIRC, nowhere else got these either.

Funny how that works really. Superhawk in the US only name for the VTR1000 due to the cult bike popularity of the 650 Hawk, a NTV650 with chain drive rather than shaft & alloy frame over the NTV's identical looking steel jobbie. VTR1000 was called Firestorm in most markets except Germany as he expression has negative connotations. CBR 900/929/954/1000 series known as Fireblade here & in the UK plus the CBR1100 was Blackbird or XX depending on market. I would guess that Interceptor was USA only as the 'murican name for a fighter plane is interceptor, but for the rest of us its a bit "meh". 

Kind of looks like a Capri but it is in fact  "the last of the V8 Interceptors"

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Yeah I know… Actually was a Ford Falcon Hardtop GT. Owned a tatty one in my yoof. Interceptor name never used by Ford Australia. Car was not an export product but the film was, hence the interceptor tag

But I doubt Ford ever used the "Pursuit" name, either... :cool:

I had always assumed those names were applied by the MFP.

Ciao,

6.3 makes generational sense

And all these years I thought it was supposed to be a Jensen Interceptor...

Austin Healey, but with a clunky body design.

I thought the various Healeys were open-top sports cars?  The cars in Mad Max were Australia-only models, according to various knowlegeable Aussies, primarily 1973-74 Ford Falcons Sedans, and the black one was a 1973 Ford Falcon XB Hardtop.  And most did have V-8 engines...

Ciao,

Here's a proper Aussie Healey, belongs to my best Ozzie friend, in Canberra.

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I owned a 1963 Mk II - the first year with roll-up windows. Very fun! A pebble in the road would upset the suspension, though . . .

In a discussion last night with another ex-owner of a 4th Gen, we have concluded that the 2014 VFR-800 is in fact a 7th Generation VFR.

Yep, we concluded that the 1200 was not a VFR.

:warranty:

will this topic reach 1,000,000 views?????    :wink:

Who cares? I agree with Privateer (pg 1). It looks better than recent editions imo, but where's the modern front end suspension (to mention one nit pick)?

And I almost dropped a V8 in my '70s Capri, would have made a nice Interceptor...

Who cares? I agree with Privateer (pg 1). It looks better than recent editions imo, but where's the modern front end suspension (to mention one nit pick)?

Like this?

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Or this..?

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Or this...


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I  wonder anybody  has  video   of  this  bike  on  the  road.

Or this...


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I  wonder anybody  has  video   of  this  bike  on  the  road.
 
 

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MotoGP 1988 Ron Haslam

I  wonder anybody  has  video   of  this  bike  on  the  road.
 
 

Or this...[image: attachicon.gif]image.jpg

MotoGP 1988 Ron Haslam

Found a  video  of  the ELF  Honda.

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I was there!

We always sat at de Strubben  :cool:

In 89, Mamola was pulling a wheelie to entertain the crowd in the warm up lap.

The one in front off us, well, we all know how that ended....   :goofy:

Well the Honda dealer here seems to be more interested in UTV's and offroad stuff so I doubt theyll ever get an 8th gen. Would love to see one up close.

I agree with Privateer it appears to be an assemblage of shop parts. Now when you thank about it, if they are VFR shop part, then it would be some generation of a VFR. I thank Honda for trying to keep the badge alive. Most shop owners I have talked to say it is a hard product to move. Most shop owners add that when someone purchases a VFR, they return raving about what a great bike it is.

I think the 2014 will sell. There has been more media exposure on the 2014.

I don't know if there is more or less media exposure than the 1200.  The 1200 was very controversial.

Much less.. there was a whole media build-up campaign for the 1200 which did not happen with the new 800... it just popped up like they were ashamed to admit it... surely went low key due to the recycling of chassis and motor...

Most shop owners I have talked to say it is a hard product to move. Most shop owners add that when someone purchases a VFR, they return raving about what a great bike it is.

That's always been a bit of a mystery to me.   The V-4 seems like the best kept secret around.   I'm just glad Honda has kept it alive. 

Or on the other hand how much extra would the gears etc weigh compared to a cam chain?

Yes I am fortunate in that my 4th gen has all fibreglass panels and the finish is excellent.

How does the fiberglass stuff look compared to OEM?

So now I have the 8th gen VFR, and it's really interesting to follow the controversial opinions about it.  The saying about not being able to please everyone rings more true here than ever before.  But the more I think about it, the more I like it.  And the more I'm happy that I chose not to buy an older model or even a different bike altogether.

The finish on the fibreglass panels on the 4th gen is better than the OEM finish was because it has a thick coat of clearcoat over the colour.

Yes you cant please everyone and if you want a brand new VFR then there aren't too many options.

Yes I am fortunate in that my 4th gen has all fibreglass panels and the finish is excellent.

How does the fiberglass stuff look compared to OEM?

So now I have the 8th gen VFR, and it's really interesting to follow the controversial opinions about it.  The saying about not being able to please everyone rings more true here than ever before.  But the more I think about it, the more I like it.  And the more I'm happy that I chose not to buy an older model or even a different bike altogether.

The finish on the fibreglass panels on the 4th gen is better than the OEM finish was because it has a thick coat of clearcoat over the colour.

Yes you cant please everyone and if you want a brand new VFR then there aren't too many options.

Sure there are options.  2014 or 2015!  LOL...

I don't think there are any 2009 leftovers remaining.

A few easy buttons would be good! !

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This may be the most viewed VFRD post ever - over 1.5 million hits and counting. 

Honda, too frugal for there on good. They devoted too much time to the Africa twin.

Maybe someone should forward this to Honda...1.5 million people seem to be interested in the vfr800 class.  New motor and other wishes granted maybe ???

Maybe someone should forward this to Honda...1.5 million people seem to be interested in the vfr800 class. 

And they don't even bring it to the motorcycle show(s) . . . :huh:

And they don't even bring it to the motorcycle show(s) . . . :huh:

It was at the Honda tent at the MotoGP race in Indy this year.

And at the MC show in Long Beach 2015.

And at the MC show in Long Beach 2015.

Purdy

RC36 looks beautiful Dogman. Very nice touch with the white HONDA on the RC79.

Cheers.

Grum

my 8th is my 2nd, had a 6th before, and not that I owned it but grew up around a 1st gen.  Wanted white but beggars can't be choosers, and the red really has grown on me. :)

RC36 looks beautiful Dogman. Very nice touch with the white HONDA on the RC79.

Cheers.

Grum

Thanks. The 750 is very nice to ride as well with RC51 front end and Wilbers 641 on the rear.