I'm only at about 3500 miles on my stock Dunlops, but on the rear I notice the indicators near the center are getting very close... The edges are great. The front is wearing more in the center, too, but still looks great even there. Living in an area with plenty of twisty roads I did not expect the center of the tire to wear that quickly, but I guess I do too much straight-line riding anyway. Shrug. This is my first sporty bike, so maybe I am just having a rude awakening. A few questions:
1) Could this have been an inflation issue? I check the pressure basically every time I ride, and kept the rear on 42 as directed. I wonder if that was too much...
2) Or do these tires just wear that quickly? Reading through previous posts it doesn't seem uncommon at all, but then I'll see someone say they got 8k out of theirs.
3) Given that I am not an aggressive sport rider and that I apparently am doing too much straight-line, then what tire would be a good one that would be more touring than sport? Seems like everyone talks about good sport and/or rain performance, but not so much touring. I only ride in the rain if I get caught out, and my internal sport rider is apparently less Rossi, and more Pussy, than I imagined. I guess I need "touring sport" tires rather than "sport touring".
1. Tire pressure should be 36/42 front/rear and is normally what you would want to run if it's just straight line miles. If you're riding in the canyons or twisty roads, dropping down a few PSI wouldn't hurt for better cornering.
2. Most OEM tires don't have a lot of mileage in them, at least from my experience. So plan on replacing them soon, most OEM tires are not that great to begin with, unless you're on a Ducati Diavel!
3. From the sound of it, you're mostly likely going to be best off with sport touring tires. A lot of us run the Michelin Pilot Road tires with great mileage a good cornering performance. A few have taken a liking to Pirelli Anget GT's, some the Bridgestone T30 EVO and a few with the Metzeler Roadtec. There are tons of post on the forum in regards to what brand and model that suits the VFR so maybe do a search and see what might be more your cost/performance level.
Funny you started this thread as I've been wondering the same things myself. I've only got about 2500 on the bike so far, but the tires seem to be wearing a little faster than I thought they would. I'm already looking at replacements. I cannot find a bad review of the Michelin PR3/4s so I think those are my number one choice right now.
I ran the stock tires for 8000 miles, and they were very much shot by then. I put on Pilot Road 4s as replacements, I have always had good luck with them, and I love their wet road handling.
I have been a Michelin guy for years but you guys are missing the boat if you don't spoon on a set of the new tires from Bridgestone in the next year.
The T30 Evo is awesome for a sport touring tire, IMO every bit the equal of the PR4s that I have run if not better and at a substantial savings.
The same goes for the B'stone S21. The only tire close that I have run recently is the Dunlop Q3 at the track for a full sport tire and I have never been a fan of Dunlops. Either of these two tires are equal to Pilot Powers and, again, cost less to boot.
I hated the oem tires, but for the riding you describe, the pilot road series is a good bet. I've ran pilot powers and s20 evos, but if I didn't want the stickier tire, I wouldn't be afraid of the T30 evo. The S20 Evo is awesome for aggressive riding, so the new line of Stones is interesting to me.
I just spooned my 6th set of Bridgestone S20's on my VFR, run them on my 83VF750 and my 85VF1000R also. Have a 3rd gen rear rim and a 180 S20 evo ready to go as the 170's have been discontinued. They are the best rubber I've ever had on a bike.
Now on my third VFR (an eighth gen.), my rear is shot as well. I got 2700 miles out of it which may be a record for me for longevity. Let it suffice that the Dunlop OEM's on the eighth gen. VFR's are junk. The front is wearing OK right now but not stellar. They have almost no profile that enhances cornering (they don't help the bike/rider turn in a corner at all). They are not a dual compound tire which means they were obsolete the day they were put on the rim. If you want a decent tire at a fantastic price, check out BikeBandit right now for Bridgestone BT023's. There is a $50 credit card on Bridgestones to boot. The BT023 was never a bad tire (and in fact is a good one) and to get three of them for $253 net, is the best tire deal I ever made. Were it not that tire, I would have gotten Michelin PR2's. Living in Chattanooga, you are very near the best twisties in the country. I'm not far from you and love the location. ; )
Several of us in UK have found that the PR4s are great on the 8th gen for about 4-5000 miles and then the wet handling goes off well before they're worn out. I've now got over 5000 on the T30 EVOs and they're still going well, I'll be trying the new Dunlop Roadsmart 3 next.
Let me preface by saying I'm a Noob to road bikes, but what do you guys consider average mileage for a set of tires? Currently I'm about 50/50 commuting and weekend warrior.
Let me preface by saying I'm a Noob to road bikes, but what do you guys consider average mileage for a set of tires? Currently I'm about 50/50 commuting and weekend warrior.
I'm lucky to get 3k miles out of a supersport rear tire. If I switch to sport touring, I can get 6k out of it, maybe 6500 depending. I commute during the week and head to the mountains on the weekends, although it is 1.5 hours each way to the mountains for me.
Currently I have a Bridgestone T30 Evo on the rear and a Bridgestone S21 on the front.
been using Meetzeler Z8s for a few yrs now, good for 8000miles, recommended by my fitter originally and I'm v happy with them. See no reason to change, nice to see them placed 2nd only surpassed by the new incarnation in the clip above
Several of us in UK have found that the PR4s are great on the 8th gen for about 4-5000 miles and then the wet handling goes off well before they're worn out. I've now got over 5000 on the T30 EVOs and they're still going well, I'll be trying the new Dunlop Roadsmart 3 next.
Not too too keen on the turn in on the roadsmart3 can't put my finger on it but was never happy with them. Swapped to Pr3 and a big difference for the better. I like you have heard reports from guys on 4s who say the same in fact one had the front wipe out on him effectively writing the bike off. It's not as if he doesn't use the bike he uses it every day In His job as a dispatch rider think he has done something like 20 k miles already this year. Initially he thought it was himself but it was the 2nd set that convinced him. Am going to try Angel GT next time.
In response to oe to oe post about mileage.
OE tyres. About 3k roadsmart 3
replacements roadsmart 3 5k
pr3 3k so far and still look good
As a general rule. Get 2.5 k from a soft sports tyre and about 5-6 k on sports touring.
Dont see the point of using soft tyres where I live as roads are very abrasive, it's cool and I ride all year round so sports tyres don't work as well in the cold and wet.
Have used both types on track with not much difference in track times.
been using Meetzeler Z8s for a few yrs now, good for 8000miles, recommended by my fitter originally and I'm v happy with them. See no reason to change, nice to see them placed 2nd only surpassed by the new incarnation in the clip above
Let me preface by saying I'm a Noob to road bikes, but what do you guys consider average mileage for a set of tires? Currently I'm about 50/50 commuting and weekend warrior.
The honest answer is there is no meaningful average. I've never gotten good tire mileage with any brand but that's just me. Yes, I'm throttle happy in the twisties but not at all in straight line riding. How people get 6K miles or above is beyond me. You will likely do what everyone else does and that is try different tires until you settle in one you like.
I just replaced Donna's Pirelli AGTs last night. 2,800 miles, they were installed the middle or April . The AGTs replaced 2,300 mile Bridgestone T30 Evos that could have gone another 400 miles but we had a rally to attend, they were installed on February 21, 2016. The previous T30 Evos were installed for the fall ride last year and they had lasted 4K. Almost 12K on the Versys since we bought it last August and it has averaged much less than 6K on Sport Touring tires. Donna averages 2,400 miles a month through the summer and I usually change her tires every 6 weeks. I average 3,000 miles a month and I usually install 2 sets every month on my bikes but that is spread over 3 bikes.
I would love a tire that lasts 2,500 to 3,000 in the mountains but so far nothing is getting it done.
Let me preface by saying I'm a Noob to road bikes, but what do you guys consider average mileage for a set of tires? Currently I'm about 50/50 commuting and weekend warrior.
Your mileage will vary based on many variables. Road surface is one obvious differentiating factor so when comparing reported longevity of tires you can't compare your tire life to someone elses.
You can look at someone who consistently records their tire data and know that for your the tires will wear in a similar ratio but what may be acceptable mileage for someone who rides abrasive roads in the Southeast would unacceptable to someone is used to riding on smoother roads out west.
I just replaced Donna's Pirelli AGTs last night. 2,800 miles, they were installed the middle or April . The AGTs replaced 2,300 mile Bridgestone T30 Evos that could have gone another 400 miles but we had a rally to attend, they were installed on February 21, 2016. The previous T30 Evos were installed for the fall ride last year and they had lasted 4K. Almost 12K on the Versys since we bought it last August and it has averaged much less than 6K on Sport Touring tires. Donna averages 2,400 miles a month through the summer and I usually change her tires every 6 weeks. I average 3,000 miles a month and I usually install 2 sets every month on my bikes but that is spread over 3 bikes.
I would love a tire that lasts 2,500 to 3,000 in the mountains but so far nothing is getting it done.
Something definitely wrong with that then. Even up in the highlands where the roads are very abrasive about 5k for a rear sports touring...
Something definitely wrong with that then. Even up in the highlands where the roads are very abrasive about 5k for a rear sports touring...
The "problem" exists on all my bikes. I have researched potential causes but so far nothing positive. Forensic photographic evidence is inconclusive...
This Michelin Pilot Road 4 GT was on the rear of my ST1300 for exactly 8 days. One TMAC and 2038 miles later it looked like this...
[image: ST1300 Rear PR4GT from 2015 TMAC.jpg]
The very best wearing tire I have used on the ST is that PR4 GT. Too squirmy for my riding style but that is a subjective opinion that will not apply to many riders. I managed to keep up with Baileyrock so the tire can't be that bad. I was leading too so that may have helped a bit but I still felt like I was never going to catch him. I'm sure if I had made one mistake he would have been a vapor trail.
If it hadn't been for those easy miles with Glory Racing earlier in the week I would have probably needed a new tire before the week was up. :wink:
The "problem" exists on all my bikes. I have researched potential causes but so far nothing positive. Forensic photographic evidence is inconclusive...
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I don't think you have a mileage problem any more than I do even though we would both like to ride like we do and get 8K miles from a tire. It isn't going to happen the way we ride. From the photos, you're obviously putting power to the rears and working the fronts which, simply put, wears tires quickly.
I can only dream about wearing out the sides of a tire before the middle. Too many straight miles and not enough curves.
I've generally had good experiences with tires, and remember liking Michelin PRs and Conti Road Attacks more than some of the other shoes my VFR has worn. But I don't tend to push tires to their limits, so I'm not the best reviewer out there.
This Michelin Pilot Road 4 GT was on the rear of my ST1300 for exactly 8 days. One TMAC and 2038 miles later it looked like this...
[image: ST1300 Rear PR4GT from 2015 TMAC.jpg]
The very best wearing tire I have used on the ST is that PR4 GT. Too squirmy for my riding style but that is a subjective opinion that will not apply to many riders. I managed to keep up with Baileyrock so the tire can't be that bad. I was leading too so that may have helped a bit but I still felt like I was never going to catch him. I'm sure if I had made one mistake he would have been a vapor trail.
If it hadn't been for those easy miles with Glory Racing earlier in the week I would have probably needed a new tire before the week was up. :wink:
you wanna spend more time upright. The centre section is like new :491:
kebrider This Michelin Pilot Road 4 GT was on the rear of my ST1300 for exactly 8 days. One TMAC and 2038 miles later it looked like this...
[image: ST1300 Rear PR4GT from 2015 TMAC.jpg]
The very best wearing tire I have used on the ST is that PR4 GT. Too squirmy for my riding style but that is a subjective opinion that will not apply to many riders. I managed to keep up with Baileyrock so the tire can't be that bad. I was leading too so that may have helped a bit but I still felt like I was never going to catch him. I'm sure if I had made one mistake he would have been a vapor trail.
If it hadn't been for those easy miles with Glory Racing earlier in the week I would have probably needed a new tire before the week was up. wink.gif
I couldn't wear my tires like that in Louisiana if I were dead set on trying.
Just fyi...people suspect bullsh!t when I suggest I only get 1,000-2,000 miles to a set of sport touring tires.
I don't suspect BS because I feel happy to get much over 2000 out of any ST tire. I also used to live in Arkansas and have spent a lot of time in the Harrison and northern Arkansas area. You're fortunate to be in beautiful twisty country as I am too.
As somewhat of an aside, ST tires have come a long ways with the dual compound construction. I feel much more confident leaned over and don't spin the rear or have it slide as much as when single compound tires were our only choice.
For example, right now I have a stack of 14 tires in the garage (4 new metzelers, 4 new b'stones and 6 takeoffs). Gonna order 4 more b'stones before the month is out.
A repairman was driving down the street, noticed the stack and stopped to chat. He stated he was a rider, noticed the stack and was just wondering why I had so many tires. I told him I buy when manufacturer rebates are offered and I only get about 1,000-2,000 miles per set. He chuckled and said, "no really?"
For example, right now I have a stack of 14 tires in the garage (4 new metzelers, 4 new b'stones and 6 takeoffs). Gonna order 4 more b'stones before the month is out.
A repairman was driving down the street, noticed the stack and stopped to chat. He stated he was a rider, noticed the stack and was just wondering why I had so many tires. I told him I buy when manufacturer rebates are offered and I only get about 1,000-2,000 miles per set. He chuckled and said, "no really?"
2 hours ago, Bent
I don't suspect BS because I feel happy to get much over 2000 out of any ST tire. I also used to live in Arkansas and have spent a lot of time in the Harrison and northern Arkansas area. You're fortunate to be in beautiful twisty country as I am too.
As somewhat of an aside, ST tires have come a long ways with the dual compound construction. I feel much more confident leaned over and don't spin the rear or have it slide as much as when single compound tires were our only choice.
You guys need no explanation in the subject of tire wear but if you apply the dog year formula to tire life miles then our data can be very helpful to all riders. This is of course what CornerCarver was explaining in his post. We can test a new model tire in 2 weeks, roach the tire completely and give feedback on all the important data such as wear, end-of-life handling degradation and overall handling/steering feel. Our comparison data is very good, if we ride consistent, because we would have completed back-to-back tests in less than 3 months on several sets of tires. I also like to help people feel better about "only" getting 6K out of a set of tires.
At the end of the day Motorcycle tires are just a first world problem. I can't buy time but I can buy good tires. Easy choice for a selfish first world citizen such as myself.
Try Conti Motions supposed to have great mileage at reasonable grip levels, planning to fit one on mine before our EuroTour, will report back at the end of the trip.
You guys need no explanation in the subject of tire wear but if you apply the dog year formula to tire life miles then our data can be very helpful to all riders. This is of course what CornerCarver was explaining in his post. We can test a new model tire in 2 weeks, roach the tire completely and give feedback on all the important data such as wear, end-of-life handling degradation and overall handling/steering feel. Our comparison data is very good, if we ride consistent, because we would have completed back-to-back tests in less than 3 months on several sets of tires. I also like to help people feel better about "only" getting 6K out of a set of tires.
At the end of the day Motorcycle tires are just a first world problem. I can't buy time but I can buy good tires. Easy choice for a selfish first world citizen such as myself.
Its pretty confusing. Especially when there are folk saying they regularly get. 8k plus on their 11and 13s think the highest I've heard is 10k. I was averaging about 4.5k on mine both 11and 13. You obviously spend more time on the softer outer compounds.
You guys need no explanation in the subject of tire wear but if you apply the dog year formula to tire life miles then our data can be very helpful to all riders. This is of course what CornerCarver was explaining in his post. We can test a new model tire in 2 weeks, roach the tire completely and give feedback on all the important data such as wear, end-of-life handling degradation and overall handling/steering feel. Our comparison data is very good, if we ride consistent, because we would have completed back-to-back tests in less than 3 months on several sets of tires. I also like to help people feel better about "only" getting 6K out of a set of tires.
At the end of the day Motorcycle tires are just a first world problem. I can't buy time but I can buy good tires. Easy choice for a selfish first world citizen such as myself.
I suspect VFRD is populated by "first world" type of people. Good analogy in your post. Diversity in tire usage habits and consequent wear is a good thing IMO in helping people of all types make their own decisions. The only real way to learn what the best tire is for any individual is for them to try different tires and settle in on what "fits" them.
I have been a Michelin guy for years but you guys are missing the boat if you don't spoon on a set of the new tires from Bridgestone in the next year.
The T30 Evo is awesome for a sport touring tire, IMO every bit the equal of the PR4s that I have run if not better and at a substantial savings.
The same goes for the B'stone S21. The only tire close that I have run recently is the Dunlop Q3 at the track for a full sport tire and I have never been a fan of Dunlops. Either of these two tires are equal to Pilot Powers and, again, cost less to boot.
I moved away from the PR4 tires this time. I had the Bridgestone T30 Evo tires installed and I really like them, a lot! They make the bike lot easier to turn and feel like a sports tire. I know you're not trying to be Rossi, but they work great in the rain and just feel like a great tire.
I got a lot shorter life out of the 4 rather than the 3.
Its pretty confusing. Especially when there are folk saying they regularly get. 8k plus on their 11and 13s think the highest I've heard is 10k. I was averaging about 4.5k on mine both 11and 13. You obviously spend more time on the softer outer compounds.
I was hoping the pictures would clear up the confusion Fink. Riding style is everything when considering tire review information. We don't spend much time on the center of our tires and we gas it through the turns and back off on the straights, all on the abrasive pavement that is prevalent in the Appalachians. I am not a fan of dual compound tires as I always end up with triangulation of the tire shape. Some tires are better at maintaining their steering feel no matter how triangulated they become and that is what I usually report.
For someone who reports on tires and rides the same all the time (me most of the time) figuring out which tire lasts longest is a simple as comparing just their mileage difference between different tires. This really only works if you have a similar riding style. We use the sides of tires more than the highway traveler so we get much less mileage because we apply wear inducing forces on the tire where its compound is the softest. The highway traveler spends more time on the more durable tire center so their feedback on steering feel and handling degradation is more relevant information than ours would be if that is your riding style.
To me the holy grail of dry grip performance and wear has been the Dunlop Q3. These tires grip forever and hold up well considering they allow a higher corner speed than many of the other sport and ST tires out there. One thing that I read in reviews all the time is a tire felt and handled great but did not last as long as brand X. If you go faster your tires wear out sooner so a great handling tire is its own worst enemy for wear.
I was hoping the pictures would clear up the confusion Fink. Riding style is everything when considering tire review information. We don't spend much time on the center of our tires and we gas it through the turns and back off on the straights, all on the abrasive pavement that is prevalent in the Appalachians. I am not a fan of dual compound tires as I always end up with triangulation of the tire shape. Some tires are better at maintaining their steering feel no matter how triangulated they become and that is what I usually report.
For someone who reports on tires and rides the same all the time (me most of the time) figuring out which tire lasts longest is a simple as comparing just their mileage difference between different tires. This really only works if you have a similar riding style. We use the sides of tires more than the highway traveler so we get much less mileage because we apply wear inducing forces on the tire where its compound is the softest. The highway traveler spends more time on the more durable tire center so their feedback on steering feel and handling degradation is more relevant information than ours would be if that is your riding style.
To me the holy grail of dry grip performance and wear has been the Dunlop Q3. These tires grip forever and hold up well considering they allow a higher corner speed than many of the other sport and ST tires out there. One thing that I read in reviews all the time is a tire felt and handled great but did not last as long as brand X. If you go faster your tires wear out sooner so a great handling tire is its own worst enemy for wear.
I think im pretty much up on what you are saying.
Would need to sit down and read your reports. How much of your riding is done in the wet?
Is is it still the case that the compounds are different on your side of the pond?
Would need to sit down and read your reports. How much of your riding is done in the wet?
Is is it still the case that the compounds are different on your side of the pond?
I think the Bridgestone compounds stay pretty consistent but I don't thing our Dunlop Q3 is the same tire as your Sportsmart. Not sure of the other brands.
i get caught in the wet all the time and the new T30 Evo has been very good, almost identical in feel to the Michelin Pilot Road 4 which has always been, and continues to be, the gold standard in the wet. Michelin Sport Touring tires are all good in the wet. To me they squirm in the dry due to their soft carcass (easiest tires to mount by a wide margin) but I suspect the squirm explains why they grip so well in the wet. Michelins don't really slow me down or cause any problems, they just move slightly when pushed and they don't give me the feedback i get from stiffer constructed tires. The Pirelli Angel GTs are great in the wet when new but do drop off slightly as they age.
All the tire manufacturers are making bold claims of better wear and wet grip with their latest tire models so this should be a banner year for tire testing here in the Appalachian Mountains. Bridgestone S21 (street sport tire) test will begin tomorrow.
Try Conti Motions supposed to have great mileage at reasonable grip levels, planning to fit one on mine before our EuroTour, will report back at the end of the trip.
I'm about to replace the rear ContiMotion on my 6th gen. It's at 7k+ miles and into the wear bars. It's been fine in the rain, and the level of grip is OK, but I don't think it's as good as most dual-compound sport-touring tires out there. Then again, I don't push as hard in the corners as many VFR riders. I've been happy with this tire overall, and the price (under $100 USD) is hard to beat. I'm planning to replace this one with the same tire ahead of a June tour with a lot of straight miles.
Having just spent 2 weeks in the UK I now understand much better why so many reports of long tire life come from there. With traffic cameras everywhere, moderate speeds and practically no serious twisties compared to what I'm used to, it's no surprise tires last a long time there.
Gather you were down south in England mate. Should have headed for the highlands of Scotland. Great open roads not a copper let alone a speed camera , where you can ride for an hour or so and sometimes not see even one car. Whilst there may be no serious twisties there are a few but there are loads of ton up bends that go on for ages.
Having just spent 2 weeks in the UK I now understand much better why so many reports of long tire life come from there. With traffic cameras everywhere, moderate speeds and practically no serious twisties compared to what I'm used to, it's no surprise tires last a long time there.
Thats because the only people left in England are the gentle folk.
All the trouble makers, hooligans, anti establishment types were sent to Australia long ago.
In recent years, more care free people have come this way as well.
The only people left are the ones that are happy pottering around at 40mph, and don't mind being soggy and covered in fungus.
I've even heard that they now shun the sun, if it ever comes out there.
Gather you were down south in England mate. Should have headed for the highlands of Scotland. Great open roads not a copper let alone a speed camera , where you can ride for an hour or so and sometimes not see even one car. Whilst there may be no serious twisties there are a few but there are loads of ton up bends that go on for ages.
I'm assuming Shinigani has ridden the Sierras in California, there's nowhere over here like CA36, CA49 or for ultimate fun Mountain View Rd south of Mendocino
Just saw the MCN tyre review and must say that after riding down to Italy, through torrential rain, hot conditions, motorways, and riding real twisty roads across the Alps, I can't recommend the new Dunlop Roadsmart 3's highly enough they were terrific, far better than the OEM tyres, nothing seemed to worry them, they held the line well, and you could confidently lean in the wet.
The longbow that decimated the French armies in the 14th and 15th centuries actually originated in Wales but was refined into a war-winning weapon by the English. Bows were generally the same length as their owner's height or a fraction more, in a time when most medieval men were between 5 and 5 and a half feet tall. There aren't many left but two bow staves were recovered from the Mary Rose, Henry VIII's flagship that sank in 1545. The longer of these measures 75", the shorter 72.75" but they are from a century or more later than when the longbow ruled the battlefield.
Ordered a set of S21's from Jake Wilson today. $205 for the set shipped.
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I just finished off the Metzler M7RRs (2,050 miles and good to the end, fantastic tires) on the GSX-S and installed the S21s last night. I already have them on the NC and they are one of the best tire sets I have used on that bike. They were impeccable on Cornercarver's and Minicarver's VFRs when I rode them at TMAC so you will enjoy them immensely. Give them a mile or 2 to warm up, the only weak spot I see with the tire, but the once warm the seem to have equal or very slightly more grip than the Dunlop Q3 which is the gold standard in the mountains.
You will get the $50 rebate which drops your cost to $155 and if you bought from Jake Wilson you got $10.95 in buyer loyalty cash back which could drop the cost of another set to $145. Sweeper needing 2 sets of tires in a year ain't going to happen so maybe buy em and we arrange some sort of arrangement if shipping from your place to mine is not too pricey. Bridgestone only allows 2 sets of the eligible tires to be shipped to any one address to qualify for the rebate.
I will have some real-world feedback soon. Almost 4,000 miles on the Suzook already and it may be the best tire testing tool I have ever had full time access to.
That is a steal. I think you are going to LOVE them.
The 180/55 S21s are absurdly inexpensive and will be the tire of choice for the VFR. I bought two rears for the VFR the last time I used the rebate since I go through rears way faster. Both bikes are now outfitted with tires for the rest of the year after the Bridgestone and Metzeler rebates. Heck, still have one Metzeler rebate to use.
Kimball, you should see if your neighbor will order tires for you.
I'm really interested on how these work out...Been eyeballing the Brigestones.
The Bridgestones are currently the best tires on the market. As the spec tire for MotoGP they have learned a great deal and that knowledge has transferred directy to the street tire offering.
I have no doubts that within 3-4 years Michelin will regain the lead in tire tech as they are midway through their first season back in the GP class but I will probably not purchase a tire other than B'stones for the next few years. The value and performance and unmatched.
They're awesome. Used them at my last track day and they stuck like glue and wore well. Even the tire guy at the track (a Pirelli fan boy) likes the S21.
They're awesome. Used them at my last track day and they stuck like glue and wore well. Even the tire guy at the track (a Pirelli fan boy) likes the S21.
You and Kimball both like them. cant go wrong with that info.
I loved the feel of Pirelli's at the track. SuperCorsa Pro's back in the day were the schiznit--very confidence inspiring and I used my buddy's race take-off's (only 3 races) from his WERA championship runs back in the mid 2000's. After that I was running Dunlop Q's...both the Q and Q2's mostly because Jason Pridmore and I had some discussions about tires.
He ran Q's on his bikes (still does I think) for his Star School. The first time they did this his partner didn't even tell him he changed tires (Now Jason rides a stock bike with only changes to springs, tires and exhaust because they get sponsorship at the time from Suzuki)--JP thought he was on his Supersport race tires (non-slick race tires). Mark asks JP about the bike and eventually about the tires--JP says tires are great. Gallardo says they are new street tire--and JP freaked out. BUT the tires just plain worked...so he uses this as a good teaching point. Street tires are so advanced today you almost CANT get a bad street tire--at least with the most popular brands.
I have never run Brigestone tires on my bike ever, but I won't worry a bit about it. About the only thing I can lose on is paying too much for tires...and I always try to minimize that wherever possible.
You and Kimball both like them. cant go wrong with that info.
10 hours ago, zupatun
I loved the feel of Pirelli's at the track. SuperCorsa Pro's back in the day were the schiznit--very confidence inspiring and I used my buddy's race take-off's (only 3 races) from his WERA championship runs back in the mid 2000's. After that I was running Dunlop Q's...both the Q and Q2's mostly because Jason Pridmore and I had some discussions about tires.
He ran Q's on his bikes (still does I think) for his Star School. The first time they did this his partner didn't even tell him he changed tires (Now Jason rides a stock bike with only changes to springs, tires and exhaust because they get sponsorship at the time from Suzuki)--JP thought he was on his Supersport race tires (non-slick race tires). Mark asks JP about the bike and eventually about the tires--JP says tires are great. Gallardo says they are new street tire--and JP freaked out. BUT the tires just plain worked...so he uses this as a good teaching point. Street tires are so advanced today you almost CANT get a bad street tire--at least with the most popular brands.
I have never run Brigestone tires on my bike ever, but I won't worry a bit about it. About the only thing I can lose on is paying too much for tires...and I always try to minimize that wherever possible.
Matt
Agreed now that I have experienced Metzeler M7rrs on Kimball's GSXS and S21s on Kimball's NC and my CB. S21s feel like they just claw at the road all the way around and seem to turn faster with less lean angle. Q3s still are the benchmark for combination of grip, wear rate, and profile at the end of life IMHO. Keith Code still runs Q3s at Superbike school, probably for that reason. Q3s have gradually climbed in price, though, and only allowed one rebate this Spring. Compared with 2 (S21s) and 4 (M7RRs) rebates, which tilted the decision towards those brands. The only major brand I don't like is Michelin and they didn't offer a rebate, so that was an easy choice to avoid. I might still buy a set of Q3s in the final days of June, but I have a lot of tires to run over the next year plus and don't want tires to get too old. At least now I'm fully stocked for 1-2 years.
I replaced the OEM Dunlop D222s with the Roadsmart 2 at 5000 miles (worn out), now the RS2's have 4700 plus miles on them, so far this is what they look like. I ride as much as possible throughout spring, summer, fall, and part of winter. These tires have been a great improvement from OEM. Not sure which tire will be next to try out.[image: h2TI7vkf1BoInamkDC0lTXpcSEjstEUKcj-n8d2a][image: l2ttnvIFMi851rHzQ3tZ1_pP2b6-9pK052ttZQtP]
With Bridgestone having so many very good tires IMHO, it's hard to decide which one to buy. More than one model Bstone have great deals to be found. I currently have the "old" BT023's on the bike and they are working great and are going to last a long time at the rate they're going and I thought I bought them extremely cheap. The good news is, I don't have to make a decision today.
With Bridgestone having so many very good tires IMHO, it's hard to decide which one to buy. More than one model Bstone have great deals to be found. I currently have the "old" BT023's on the bike and they are working great and are going to last a long time at the rate they're going and I thought I bought them extremely cheap. The good news is, I don't have to make a decision today.
But you do have to decide soon to take advantage of the rebate.
Bought a pair of Metzeler Roadtec 01's - brilliant in the wet. However due to the weather here in Atlantis (or England as it used to be called) I have not had a chance to try them in the dry :sad:
I don't understand how some of you can wear tires out so fast. Maybe I just ride like a pussy :tongue: I have Michelin pilot road 4 GT with over 10,000 kms(about 6,200 miles) on them, and I am only at maybe half worn. I don't ride crazy fast, I would explain it as spirited riding. ( I have about 1/4" chicken strips) Although, I live in Germany with no speed limit on the autobahn, so I ride at high speed quite often. (between 160-200 kmh or 100-120 mph) I would have to say that I am very happy with the tires. Wet grip is unsurpassed and in the dry, grip is also good. I don't feel any of the squirming that others have described. They feel very planted and stable and give me very good feedback from the road underneath me. For 140€ a set, I think I found a winner!
Have just put on a set of T30. Lets see how many miles I get out of these. Mileage when put on 12340.
Viffer lover there are many ways to wear out a tyre. One of the main ones is how the road is constructed. I live in the Scottish Highlands where the road is very rough more stone than tar(abrasive) where as the roads in the cities are more tar than stone so are less abrasive (smooth) that alone makes a big difference.
How you spend your time riding, for some they may spend a lot of time in urban areas or slow speed less wear, other like me spend most of it at or above posted limits on the country more wear. Straight roads, steady speed compared to bends which means braking and acceleration forces which need more grip.
rider weight these are many ways tyre wear rate differs. One I almost forgot. Different continents have different compounds in the tyre , same tyre just slightly different ingredients ie less silica.
My T30s are getting down to the wear markers at about 6700 miles, they won't make 7k. I suspect yours will do less for the reasons you mentioned. Mine live in the lanes of Essex (twisty and too bumpy to go too crazy) and straightlining on the dual-carriageway A roads.
I don't understand how some of you can wear tires out so fast. Maybe I just ride like a pussy :tongue: I have Michelin pilot road 4 GT with over 10,000 kms(about 6,200 miles) on them, and I am only at maybe half worn. I don't ride crazy fast, I would explain it as spirited riding. ( I have about 1/4" chicken strips) Although, I live in Germany with no speed limit on the autobahn, so I ride at high speed quite often. (between 160-200 kmh or 100-120 mph) I would have to say that I am very happy with the tires. Wet grip is unsurpassed and in the dry, grip is also good. I don't feel any of the squirming that others have described. They feel very planted and stable and give me very good feedback from the road underneath me. For 140€ a set, I think I found a winner!
Come to the U. S. and do some very regular spirited riding in the Appalachians regularly and you'll understand.
Actually, I'm originally from Pennsylvania. I've only lived in Germany for a little more than 2 years. I liked the mountain roads as far as curves, but I don't miss all of the gravel everywhere! 
Fink, those definitely look like some nice places to ride! :beer: I can't complain about riding here either. It took me alot of searching to find more curves here though. I had to go south, because I'm right by the sea here. There is alot of nice scenery here, just like those roads in the videos. ( once I found it)
Maybe I'll be able to go there sometime this year, but is is all the way on the other side of the country from me. Someone else also told me that I need to go to the Alps also. I'm sure that someday I'll get to see all of Germany.
I just had the Bridgestone S21 mounted front and rear today. Mileage is 10,886.
I normally get 2500 out of a PP3 or the S20, so we'll see if the claims of better mileage hold up.
Initial impression is that they are similar to s20 evo in that they don't turn in as quick as the Michelins when new. This went away within a hundred miles of twisties on the s20 evo though and I expect the same thing with s21. I thought it was just me getting used to the extra effort on turn in, but the old s20 evos turned in easier than the new S21 too, so I think it's a matter of getting the edge of the tires worn a bit before these tire really come into their own.
What I loved about the S20, and the S21 feels similar, is that dial a lean feeling.
I'll keep you posted as I put these through the paces at Palomar, Banner, and ACH as well as highway 33 to Ojai soon.
The stock Dunlops only last about 2500 on my bike. Since then have used Bridgestone T30 which have good handling and wear rate.
Currently on Metzeler Roadtec 01 - much better road comfort from the front end and handling overall. Currently up to 3500miles with plenty of tread left. These I would buy again as just that bit better overall in the dry and wet. I have nearly 16000miles on my bike.
Edited August 2, 2016 by fastbanana Spelling mistake
Like fastbanana I've just gone from Bridgestone T30EVOs to Roadtec01s on mine too. Nearly 8000 miles out of the Bridgestones and no handling gripes at all but I thought I'd try something new.
All good so far (New Rubber Syndrome hasn't worn off yet) but I've only had them since yesterday and the weather down here has been sweltering (over 30°C most of this week) so they have tougher tests to come!
7965 miles on these T30s and the new 01s, first impression is that the Metzelers have a deeper tread when new.
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Just thought I'd post an update on the S21. I have 2k miles on them now; almost all of that is canyon riding. Those miles that aren't, are riding to the canyons with the exception of 2 or 3 days of commuting.
These are great tires for aggressive street riding, better than the S20evo and pp3 in my opinion. I can't comment on the Q3.
Can't comment on the wet performance of the S21 either as we haven't had much rain in Southern California since I mounted these back in late July.
I run 34f/36r and the tires feel very neutral. They tip in a bit quicker than the S20evo and not as quick as the PP3, but (and this is the reason I love them for Canyon riding) they are so compliant that changing lines mid corner is never dramatic. Here's an example from earlier today. I'm going around a blind corner on a very narrow section of road, when suddenly I notice a patch of sand in my line, I have about a foot of clean pavement between the sand and the double yellow, but just to make things interesting, there is a SUV coming the other direction with his wheels just on his side of the double yellow. I braked, stood the bike up to widen the line, got off the brakes and dropped back into the turn just missing the sand and the SUV. The guy behind me said he thought I was going to hit the SUV, and also stated that I only missed the mirror by a couple of inches. The moment was dramatic, but the tires never added to the drama.
The feel with these tires is extraordinary as well. I can feel the surface but that feel doesn't translate into odd feedback. It's just enough to let you know something is going on without overloading the senses. I'd say less feel than the S20evo and more than the PP3. The S20evo is a bit lively and can translate a bit too much input for my taste.
Here are some pics with 2k miles. For reference, I get between 2,500 and 3k with the pp3 and the last 500 miles with the PP3 is always an adventure. [image: 20161016_170810.jpg]
Cool. It seemed like I read that somewhere, but I couldn't find it being discussed again. I've got 5600 on the stock Dunflops and the rear is looking pretty tired of highway commutes while the front is still looking good, so I think I'll go with something stickier up there.
I ran the S20 EVO front / T30 rear combo with good results primarily on twisty mountain roads with aggressive riding style. I expect the same or better with S21 up front although sometimes combos like this just don't mesh for whatever reason. S21 front and rear has absurd grip and feedback as already mentioned. They are more or less slicks with tread if you know what I mean. If you are less aggressive (ie you don't have a desire to drag your knee through every corner), you will do just fine with a T30 EVO up front and will probably change your tires less often. The grip of T30 EVOs is more than enough to run track days at a fun pace and drag knees occasionally while providing upright mileage benefits along with reported wet weather traction (not personally tested much). YMMV
I ran the S20 EVO front / T30 rear combo with good results primarily on twisty mountain roads with aggressive riding style. I expect the same or better with S21 up front although sometimes combos like this just don't mesh for whatever reason. S21 front and rear has absurd grip and feedback as already mentioned. They are more or less slicks with tread if you know what I mean. If you are less aggressive (ie you don't have a desire to drag your knee through every corner), you will do just fine with a T30 EVO up front and will probably change your tires less often. The grip of T30 EVOs is more than enough to run track days at a fun pace and drag knees occasionally while providing upright mileage benefits along with reported wet weather traction (not personally tested much). YMMV
I just put a s20 rear tire on my street triple with an old BT016 up front. As great as the rear tire felt the front just never felt right with it. In fact it tucked in a surprise decreasing radius fwy interchange: 22e to 57n, were I was lucky to have a lane empty on my right to run wide into.
I was going to run a new set of BT016 pros for my track day since the set cost just $140 after rebate. Then I thought just keep the s20 on the rear with a fresh front. After a bit more reflection here I am back to going all BT016. My thinking is I want both tires working together grip or slide at Willow Springs. If anything a stickier front has a better potential than the other way around.
After several very spirited canyon rides and a few weeks of commuting my S20 rear still looks ready for a track day. I may well be riding Bridgestones on the 675 Striple from now on. Mostly a play bike anyways.
Question:
My FZ1 daily ride and sport tour bike will be sampling the Michelin PR3 rear with 2CT front. Although for the first time I am wearing out the front and rear 2CT combo evenly on this bike.
Any suggestion on which of the Pilot Road series offers the best dry grip?
This bike sees a lot of aggressive canyon riding as well.
I'm only at about 3500 miles on my stock Dunlops, but on the rear I notice the indicators near the center are getting very close... The edges are great. The front is wearing more in the center, too, but still looks great even there. Living in an area with plenty of twisty roads I did not expect the center of the tire to wear that quickly, but I guess I do too much straight-line riding anyway. Shrug. This is my first sporty bike, so maybe I am just having a rude awakening. A few questions:
1) Could this have been an inflation issue? I check the pressure basically every time I ride, and kept the rear on 42 as directed. I wonder if that was too much...
2) Or do these tires just wear that quickly? Reading through previous posts it doesn't seem uncommon at all, but then I'll see someone say they got 8k out of theirs.
3) Given that I am not an aggressive sport rider and that I apparently am doing too much straight-line, then what tire would be a good one that would be more touring than sport? Seems like everyone talks about good sport and/or rain performance, but not so much touring. I only ride in the rain if I get caught out, and my internal sport rider is apparently less Rossi, and more Pussy, than I imagined. I guess I need "touring sport" tires rather than "sport touring".
By pie314
You are not dreaming.they do wear fast. 5500 miles and I'm going to pilot power 3 sets. I had the stock pilot powers on my vs 1000th. Front went well at 12500 and rear I had less. But 12500 they got me cross country and then some.not. fan of Bridgestone. Pilot powers all the way! Great on all weather too.
I'm not sure if it's been covered or not but on the pirelli angel gt do we get the A spec or regular ? They mention the fjr1300 as needing the A spec but that bike is almost 600 pounds , so not sure were the vfr falls , heavy or standard ?
Agreed kebrider-have always used Dunlops, the last Q 2's. Never got more than 3,000 miles on a front and 2,500 on a rear but oh, what grip! At the recommendation of the guys at American Motorsports I am riding on a Pilot Road 4, as my rears were getting down to the fibers only in the center s way before the sides. Live in Nashville and have very abrasive roads around here.
I managed just over 5,000 before my original Dunlop tyres before the were hanging ....the Bridgestone B23's I replaced them with are now 8,000 miles with enough left to make 10,000 and the grip is excellent
I managed just over 5,000 before my original Dunlop tyres before the were hanging ....the Bridgestone B23's I replaced them with are now 8,000 miles with enough left to make 10,000 and the grip is excellent
I get good mileage and great grip from BT023's but have had to quit them. My gosh they, like all Bridgestones I've used, beat me up so bad they aren't worth it any more for me. They're the hardest riding tire I've ever used.
What pressures were you running? I had S21 bstones on my VFR, and loved them. I ran 34f/36R, and I'm heavier than the average guy. Can't say how they were in terms of longevity, they were wearing well when the bike was stolen.
I have the new Michelin Power RS on the Daytona. Loads of grip, more neutral than the old PP3, and warm up quickly, but mileage may be an issue, I'll see. Plus I want to find out if they go off at the wear bars like the PP3 did.
What pressures were you running? I had S21 bstones on my VFR, and loved them. I ran 34f/36R, and I'm heavier than the average guy. Can't say how they were in terms of longevity, they were wearing well when the bike was stolen.
I have the new Michelin Power RS on the Daytona. Loads of grip, more neutral than the old PP3, and warm up quickly, but mileage may be an issue, I'll see. Plus I want to find out if they go off at the wear bars like the PP3 did.
I just bought a set of the Power RS' to try out but haven't had a chance to get them on the road just yet. I might toss the wheels they're on on the 09 and give them a run...
What pressures were you running? I had S21 bstones on my VFR, and loved them. I ran 34f/36R, and I'm heavier than the average guy. Can't say how they were in terms of longevity, they were wearing well when the bike was stolen.
I have the new Michelin Power RS on the Daytona. Loads of grip, more neutral than the old PP3, and warm up quickly, but mileage may be an issue, I'll see. Plus I want to find out if they go off at the wear bars like the PP3 did.
Threw a set of the Power RS on my Hawk GT (VFR rear wheel). Ridiculous grip, super fast warm up and way better turn in than the PP3. The PP3 is going to be phased out I am told in favor of the Power RS. I would imagine mileage would be similar to the PP3.
What pressures were you running? I had S21 bstones on my VFR, and loved them. I ran 34f/36R, and I'm heavier than the average guy. Can't say how they were in terms of longevity, they were wearing well when the bike was stolen.
I have the new Michelin Power RS on the Daytona. Loads of grip, more neutral than the old PP3, and warm up quickly, but mileage may be an issue, I'll see. Plus I want to find out if they go off at the wear bars like the PP3 did.
I run Honda recommended 36 and 42. I'm not a racer boy type, but do love hitting the Smoky's rather aggressively at times. For me, I really don't want to "need" any more than a good "sport touring" tire. They have such great capabilities, and have had for a long time that I really don't want to ride in such a way on public roads that I truly need a softer compound tire. A good rider is capable of being quite the "menace to society" on sport touring tires on a VFR......; ) Just another opinion...
No doubt a good rider on a VFR with sport touring tires can certainly leave an impression. I'm not good enough to be comfortable with all the sliding. Especially the front.
When I first switched from sport touring to hypersport tires, I was blown away by how much better they grip. I like the mileage of the ST tire, but love the handling of a sport tire more.
Bottom line,there is no right or wrong here. It's how you ride. If I lived in a straight flat area, I wouldn't waste my money on hypersport tires, but in SoCal wearing out the center before the edges is almost a crime.
For what its worth Ron Haslam uses T30 evos on all the bikes at his track day school. So if its good enough for him then its good enough for me.
Ron Haslam is awesome dont get me wrong, but I wouldn't go by what any of the pros or ex pros are using. They and the school get their tires for free, so it comes down to who is willing to sponsor them- not what tire necessarily they like the most.
Looking at the BT023 to replace. Only had bike since November 2016, so a little upset that my rubber has gone so quickly :(
Maybe you can try to sand it and get rid of that hardened layer... If you want to save some money... But that peeling is a sign of bad careship of the tires (sleeping on the rain and not used in a while)
Theres your answer ...7,000 miles + Dunlop tires = worn out
The carcassing is showing through, if the police see that you're guilty of using a vehicle in an unroadworthy condition .. Insurance companies hate that and you'll pay for it, big time
Edited June 16, 2017 by Thumbs Closer look at damage
You're upset about getting 7k miles from a single compound tire? I only got 3k miles out of my OEM 222s! You should try the Roadsmart 2 or new Roadsmart 3. Both are dual compound and should fair much better with all of your commuting. (the RS2 is basically the same tire as the D222, but with dual compound)
My last set was the Bridgestone T30 EVO and their life sucked...only about 3500 miles. I typically only get 5k-6k out of a dual compound ST tire. (I'm a serious canyon carver, so I always wear out the sides before the middle).
I've run the RS2 twice and now have the RS3 mounted. I have no plans to ever try Bridgestone again.
Ron Haslam is awesome dont get me wrong, but I wouldn't go by what any of the pros or ex pros are using. They and the school get their tires for free, so it comes down to who is willing to sponsor them- not what tire necessarily they like the most.
Was thinking more down down the line of they are used far harder on the track then they would be on the road.
I rode them years apart on different bikes, but I almost feel like I can say I have more confidence in my T30s than I did on BT016s, which were supposed to be aggressive street/track day tires.
Threw a set of the Power RS on my Hawk GT (VFR rear wheel). Ridiculous grip, super fast warm up and way better turn in than the PP3. The PP3 is going to be phased out I am told in favor of the Power RS. I would imagine mileage would be similar to the PP3.
Could you elaborate on the better turn-in vis-à-vis PP3? What I noticed was the RS seemed a little heavier & slower steering than I recall from any of my previous PP/PP2/PP2CT/PP3, or PR4 for that matter. Just enough to be noticeable.
Like you I am curious to see if the mileage claims from Michelin hold water.
Lastly, have you ever seen a tire that more obviously shows it is dual compound?
That wasn't aimed directly at me, but since I share the opinion:
The RS is a bit slower than the PP3, but it is far more linear. It gives that dial-a-lean feel. The PP3 has a more triangular profile which is great at initiating the turn, but IMO, gives the feeling that the bike is falling into the lean. I almost feel like I have to counter steer away from the apex to keep the bike from leaning too far.
It is a personal preference, but I like the more neutral and linear feeling, especially mid corner.
Something definitely wrong with that then. Even up in the highlands where the roads are very abrasive about 5k for a rear sports touring...
No, there isn't something wrong with that. Ride the Smoky Mountains where the poster rides and how he rides and 2000 miles and even less from a rear is actually to be expected. I know from my own experience. I got 1787 miles from a Metzler once on a BMW K bike but it had has some HP put to it. 5K from a rear ST tire in the Smoky's means the rider is just cruising. Try it.
No, there isn't something wrong with that. Ride the Smoky Mountains where the poster rides and how he rides and 2000 miles and even less from a rear is actually to be expected. I know from my own experience. I got 1787 miles from a Metzler once on a BMW K bike but it had has some HP put to it. 5K from a rear ST tire in the Smoky's means the rider is just cruising. Try it.
Good grief that post is over a year old Bent. I may do indeed some day. You should come and try the Highlands.
I have been having awesome luck consistantly out of (don't laugh) shinko's only dual compound tire.
I've been on Michelin PP1, and PP3, (6th gen) the shinko raven (on my old Suzuki GSX650F), verge (GSX), Apex (GSX), the factory dunlops on the 8th, and now the shinko 2X (6th-8th) and honestly, I've a lot more confidence in the 016 Verge 2X.
It was truely great on my 6th gen. Good enough I burned through 2 full sets after my PP3's vulcanized and turned to crap. And they're again fantastic on my 8th gen.
The ravens truely are junk, the profiles are all wrong and the compound only has worthwhile grip when the sun isn't shining. hot pavement and they're grease as soon as you push them.
The apex is a good profile and soft enough to rock and roll but they wear out real fast, and the tread just isn't that good in the wet.
the verge has the right profile ala the apex but the compound is closer to the raven series and it falls on it's face when you push them just the same.
the verge 2X however, is soft like the apex anywhere past a slab turn lean, and wears quite a bit longer than apex ever could.
I think the biggest thing about the 2X on the street is even if they did give up the ghost, which they honestly don't. They're cheap enough that you could just slap some more rubber on the bike. instead of running a tire that's turned to crap on you just because it's super expensive and it's not physically worn out.
That wasn't aimed directly at me, but since I share the opinion:
The RS is a bit slower than the PP3, but it is far more linear. It gives that dial-a-lean feel. The PP3 has a more triangular profile which is great at initiating the turn, but IMO, gives the feeling that the bike is falling into the lean. I almost feel like I have to counter steer away from the apex to keep the bike from leaning too far.
It is a personal preference, but I like the more neutral and linear feeling, especially mid corner.
I agree wirh your comment on the 2 compounds.
trying to keep up with acronyms , so RS is road smart as in dunlops ? I want that linear feel you speak of .
Those appear to be not sport touring ? I'm looking at the pirelli angel or GT I think. I found a source for the older angels for about $145 for the rear.
Those appear to be not sport touring ? I'm looking at the pirelli angel or GT I think. I found a source for the older angels for about $145 for the rear.
Correct. Those are not sport touring tires. I haven't ran a sport touring tire in a long time, but I hear really good things about the Bridgestone S21/T30 front/rear combo. Can't say for myself though.
I'm going to put a set of Angel Gt's on today so I'll know about them fairly soon if it will ever stop raining. I don't leave in the rain. Bought the tires on a good sale a couple of months ago.
I've run the Angel GT. They are a good tire, and if you ever do get stuck in the rain, you will be very happy with them. The only issue I had was their life span, but I generally have that problem with every tire I try. I only got 4000 miles out of my GTs. But then again, I've never gotten more than 5500 from any sport touring tire. I'm hoping for at least 5000 out of my current Dunlop Roadsmart 3's I just put on.
I am also running the Pirelli Angel GT tires this year. Very good tire. No problems.
I also can very much endorse the Michelin Pilot Road 2 tires.
I ran the Michelin Pilot Road 4 tire last year for about 800 miles. Very disappointed and frustrated with those. Terrible cupping on front and back. They got thrown away and I put the Pirellis on.
So where are all the guys that can get 10K out of a tyre?
They haven't gotten here yet. Takes a while when you're only going 40mph...;; ))
Driver Dave, I would be happy to get 5K miles out of a rear. I've never gotten that yet. If these P-Angel-Gt's don't work out, I'll probably just go back to the PR2's with a more sporty, sticky front. These new dual compound tires are lasting longer but the ST types don't turn in very well. The rear PR2 did OK but not the fronts for handling. Boys and their toys....
Instantly felt like a new bike with softer suspension, and the grip on adverse roads such as loose chip seal is amazing in comparison to the OEM tyres.
Proof is my wife instantly noticed the difference on her VFR.....
I used Avon Storm 3DXM on my 6th gen and was very pleased with them. I was going to try the new Spirit ST but there was better availability on the Dunlop Roadsmarts near me so I went for them instead. http://www.avon-tyres.co.uk/motorcycle/spirit-st
I'll be honest here, I absolutely DO NOT trust Bridgestone in the wet. White lines, skip. Manhole covers, skip A puddle, well they slide. I don't know if it's me but the last time I put them on my old Deauville, (O21 front, 023 rear) I spent way too much time threading the bike through roads and tensing whenever something came up that might make them skip.
So off they came, after less than a thousand miles. RS3's went on and the bike was transformed. I was scraping the pegs after 50 miles, in fact they were too good for that bike.
My latest VFR 800 came with PR4's, almost new and there was just something about them that made me edgy in the dry, but they seemed ok in damp and wet conditions, but they were such a pig to turn in. I really had to put effort in to turn the bike. Best way I can describe it is that they felt remote, not really telling me what was going on.
So I've put RS3's on that as well. Transformed the bike again, it really doesn't matter if it's dry or wet, they turn in, they quicksteer (necessary in London) they tell me what's going on, they don'e seem to be wearing much at all and dry or wet and the only thing that limits me in heavy rain is me. The way it should be. I think turn, the bike turns... I do a commute that isn't brilliant for tyre wear, I also hang off a bit so it's tricky to gauge wear, they are supposed to be really good wearing tyres, I do about 800 miles a week so I'll soon know.
No skipping, no slides, nothing that worries me at all. I gave the PR4's to a mate, he loves them. I'll stick to the RS3's.
I share your opinion about the older Bridgestones, I hated the BT20s and 21s, and because of that never tried the 23s but the guys where I I used to get tyres near my old office in London persuaded me to try the T30Evos and trust me, they are a huge improvement on their predecessors. I'd happily use them again if it came down to it. Loving the new Roadsmarts though!
And just to mix things up, I'm considering trying the Continental Road Attack 3s for my next set.
Really liked the Metzeler Roadtec 01s but 6000+ mostly motorway miles have squared them off pretty badly. Won't be doing long distances for a while so will try and round them of on local twisties but reckon they are probably due to go.
The Metzelers were also the most expensive option so am being vaguely hopeful as the Contis are a bit cheaper.. :blush:
Tires seem to be one of those items that everyone has a different experience with. I use a Michelin PP3 front and PR4 rear on my 6 Gen and can say that I have not had any issues with their performance, except when they get near the wear markers, that's when they start to get "greasy" and is actually a good indicator that I need to replace them. I will admit that I do not always push them but I'm sure that Brian F and RC1237V can confirm that I can when I want to!
That being said, so many variables go with tires, from the rider's weight, rider's riding style, bike, bike setup, pavement, road types, etc. and it really shows by the different opinions on the same tire.
I share your opinion about the older Bridgestones, I hated the BT20s and 21s, and because of that never tried the 23s but the guys where I I used to get tyres near my old office in London persuaded me to try the T30Evos and trust me, they are a huge improvement on their predecessors. I'd happily use them again if it came down to it. Loving the new Roadsmarts though!
Funny thing is, I thought the BT-020s were great in the rain, over road paint and metal bits. Later compositions, not so much.
I did not like BT016s and said I'd never go back to Bridgestone, but I'm pretty happy with T30 Evos. They feel good, plenty of grip, inspire confidence. I'd feel comfortable doing a track day on them. I've been to the edges of the rear at over 90 MPH. I feel like they might let go a little more easily in the wet than I expected, but my expectations might not have been realistic as, other than OEM Dunlops, I haven't used any other tire in five years.
Speaking of Bridgestone, if anyone needs a set of tires and doesn't have a lot of money to spend, you can get a set of BT023s for $211 delivered from Jake Wilson. And there is a Bridgestone rebate offer going on through the end of the month...$35 per tire. That's a total net cost of only $141 for a set of good quality sport touring tires. It will be interesting to see how they compare to the T30 EVOs I ran two sets ago. Only got 2400 miles out of those, but they felt great.
Meanwhile my PR4s are up to about 12,000 miles or so. A little scalloping in front, probably because I brake way into curves, but they still have a few K left in 'em. They feel no more or less inspiring in the rain than the 023s I had on my 4th Gen but they don't seem to get as squared off as the Bridgestones did.
They're so new that there isn't a lot of stock around here yet, will be interesting to hear what you think of them.
Although not on my VFR i have Roadtec 01s on my Blackbird. Third set now. Rears last 6 - 7000 miles, fronts 8000. With Ohlins rear and Andreani fork cartridges i ride her hard and these tyres have never let me down, dry or wet. Brilliant tyre.
Although not on my VFR i have Roadtec 01s on my Blackbird. Third set now. Rears last 6 - 7000 miles, fronts 8000. With Ohlins rear and Andreani fork cartridges i ride her hard and these tyres have never let me down, dry or wet. Brilliant tyre.
I agree, I've just been through a set on my VFR but I was referring to Katie's Conti Road Attack 3s.
Hey thanks for the pointer! I was just about to purchase a new T30 Evo rear for my '99 VFR because I recently found and purchased a '92 VFR750 8-spoke rear wheel. The 8-spoke is supposed to be back from refurbishment and powder coating any day now. So I just completed a price match request over on Revzilla and will buy if they come through (if they ever want any of my business in the future).
The customer service at revzilla is always spot on for me so I always give them a chance at a price match. They have never said no. Also it pays to know to have customer service when buying things online.
The customer service at revzilla is always spot on for me so I always give them a chance at a price match. They have never said no. Also it pays to know to have customer service when buying things online.
Yeah, Revzilla got right back to me... With a big middle finger. They told me I could take my business elsewhere.
Yes, I was trying to purchase the OEM size for my '99 VFR800, which is a 180/55ZR-17 (73W).
This feels really crappy after I spent $1,545.00 at Revzilla during 2017 (stuff for me and Christmas presents for motorcycle riders on my list).
Ironically, even though I've always had good service with Revzilla, I always always buy my tires from www.ridersdomain.com (formerly JakeWilson.com) which is also affiliated with RockyMountainATV.com. I find their tire prices to be consistently the best whenever I shop for tires, so I go there first but typically check the other usual suspects before pulling the trigger.
As far as why you were told to take your business elsewhere, I've never seen that type of response from them whenever I've dealt with Revzilla customer support. At the most, they have just asked that I provide a link to the place with the cheaper price and provided the other shop is an authorized dealer for that product, they've met the price.
As far as why you were told to take your business elsewhere, I've never seen that type of response from them whenever I've dealt with Revzilla customer support. At the most, they have just asked that I provide a link to the place with the cheaper price and provided the other shop is an authorized dealer for that product, they've met the price.
I followed Revzilla's price match request procedure exactly.
Here's a copy of the email reply I got back from Revzilla (to clarify the name difference, Walter is my real first name but I've always gone by Greg because my father was also named Walter):
Hi Walter,
Thank you for submitting a Price Match request. At this point, Rocky Mountain ATV & MC is selling that Bridgestone Battlax Sport Touring T30 EVO Tire at far below our cost, so we cannot match the price on that. It may be best to take them up on their current pricing, as I think that is as low as you will ever see those units sold!
Sorry for the letdown. If there is anything else we can help with please feel free to reach out.
But isn't it great that after telling me to F-off "Taylor R." includes his obviously deeply felt concern that I should engage in "safe riding"? That makes it all better, right?
(If you want to email him directly Taylor R.'s email address at Revzilla is taylorr@revzilla.com)
Here's a copy of the email reply I got back from Revzilla (to clarify the name difference, Walter is my real first name but I've always gone by Greg because my father was also named Walter):
Hi Walter,
Thank you for submitting a Price Match request. At this point, Rocky Mountain ATV & MC is selling that Bridgestone Battlax Sport Touring T30 EVO Tire at far below our cost, so we cannot match the price on that. It may be best to take them up on their current pricing, as I think that is as low as you will ever see those units sold!
Sorry for the letdown. If there is anything else we can help with please feel free to reach out.
But isn't it great that after telling me to F-off "Taylor R." includes his obviously deeply felt concern that I should engage in "safe riding"? That makes it all better, right?
(If you want to email him directly Taylor R.'s email address at Revzilla is taylorr@revzilla.com)
Your reaction to their price match decline is shockingly unreasonable.
Ironically, even though I've always had good service with Revzilla, I always always buy my tires from www.ridersdomain.com (formerly JakeWilson.com) which is also affiliated with RockyMountainATV.com. I find their tire prices to be consistently the best whenever I shop for tires, so I go there first but typically check the other usual suspects before pulling the trigger.
I've always found them to be good to work with and the shipping is very prompt. They did foul up one order though - shipping a PR2 front and PP2 rear - although in the correct sizes. I know some like to mix those but that was not my intent with that order. I had ordered them in winter and set them aside to mount later as riding weather improved. My fault for not inspecting them upon delivery.
Here's a copy of the email reply I got back from Revzilla (to clarify the name difference, Walter is my real first name but I've always gone by Greg because my father was also named Walter):
Hi Walter,
Thank you for submitting a Price Match request. At this point, Rocky Mountain ATV & MC is selling that Bridgestone Battlax Sport Touring T30 EVO Tire at far below our cost, so we cannot match the price on that. It may be best to take them up on their current pricing, as I think that is as low as you will ever see those units sold!
Sorry for the letdown. If there is anything else we can help with please feel free to reach out.
But isn't it great that after telling me to F-off "Taylor R." includes his obviously deeply felt concern that I should engage in "safe riding"? That makes it all better, right?
(If you want to email him directly Taylor R.'s email address at Revzilla is taylorr@revzilla.com)
Are you serious? This in your opinion is being told to F-off? Wow! How I read that is they got beat in pricing and they cannot match it, so they basically said the competition has a great price that you should take them up on it.
Here I’m thinking they said “We think you’re full of $hit dude, so don’t bother us if you’re just looking to get a cheaper price! Go elsewhere if that’s what you’re looking for!” To me, that’s what being told to F-off looks like. But everyone has their own way of reading between the lines I guess.
Are you serious? This in your opinion is being told to F-off? Wow! How I read that is they got beat in pricing and they cannot match it, so they basically said the competition has a great price that you should take them up on it.
Here I’m thinking they said “We think you’re full of $hit dude, so don’t bother us if you’re just looking to get a cheaper price! Go elsewhere if that’s what you’re looking for!” To me, that’s what being told to F-off looks like. But everyone has their own way of reading between the lines I guess.
This.
To Greg/Walter, I read Taylor's response as the honest truth. Call me crazy. He indicates that RockyMountain is selling the tires below the cost that Revzilla can buy them at. This is not common but not unheard of, either. I can vouch for similar stuff happening in various other industries (bicycling and automobile performance industries/markets, amongst others).
I appreciate that you spent $1,500+ with them in 2017 but are they supposed to take a loss on some tires just because you bought from them previously?
In whatever line of work or profession you are in, would you be willing to take a loss for a prior customer just because he or she patronized your business/employer at an earlier date? Is that a business model you think is viable?
In whatever line of work or profession you are in, would you be willing to take a loss for a prior customer just because he or she patronized your business/employer at an earlier date? Is that a business model you think is viable?
In my line of work I stand back and watch the business-my employer take losses on individual customers on a very regular basis.
(I'm an airline pilot with a major U.S. airline, 20 years military and 18 years airline)
Why don't you just buy the tire at rockymountainatvmc.com? I don't see the problem?
Yes, that's what I'm going to do. Remember, I didn't bend Revzilla's arm up behind its back and force it to offer a price match program.
(not related to your particular post, but to the overall situation: Revzilla just now got back to me again by email, this time the email was directly from the same guy who approved the price match for wee06, and he was offering to give me the price match on the tire. That's nice but that wasn't all the email said and a lot of the extra verbiage was so sad and corporate-whiner-ish I just can't bring myself to date-rape them with their own policy. So I'll be shopping elsewhere. Moving on, no long term hard feelings, that's just life in America, I wouldn't be where I am today if I was a stay-mad type of bro.)
I like Revzilla, but being owned by Cycle Gear, I don't care too much about them. Still, I imagine this when I read this response. [image: 1zzkr6f.jpg]
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