Has Anyone had any luck with using the hooked end of the mount bar? Seems I always have to resort to using tire irons for mounting. No problem removing the tire with the bar but forget about using it to mount the tire. The bar always slips out at the end ( when it gets tight) when trying to install with the bar. It slips every time. Yes, I keep the bead down in the center.
I'm planning on buying one of those mojo levers when they become available again.
[image: View Post]R_Cote, on Jun 21 2007, 10:27 PM, said:
Has Anyone had any luck with using the hooked end of the mount bar? Seems I always have to resort to using tire irons for mounting. No problem removing the tire with the bar but forget about using it to mount the tire. The bar always slips out at the end ( when it gets tight) when trying to install with the bar. It slips every time. Yes, I keep the bead down in the center.
I'm planning on buying one of those mojo levers when they become available again.
The mounting part of the bar is almost useless, irons work much better :thumbsup:
I'm really good at scratching my rims with that Harbor Freight bar! Like Jeremy said....useless.
I bought the No-Mar bar and lube and it's so much easier now.
[image: View Post]dutchinterceptor, on Jun 21 2007, 10:01 PM, said:
I'm really good at scratching my rims with that Harbor Freight bar! Like Jeremy said....useless.
I bought the No-Mar bar and lube and it's so much easier now.
+1. I didn't even TRY to use the harbor freight bar, as my rims were freshly powder coated. The no-mar bar works pretty well, but I still had a hard time mounting the corsa iii's with it. After hearing me curse down below in the garage, for what seemed like hours, my wife was kind of like, "need some help?" and she held the tire in place while i got the bead over the rim. I felt like a pretty lucky guy at that point.
not to go off topic, but i didn't have nearly as easy a time with the HF tire changer as the No-mar guy does on the videos with their system. think most of the videos use really soft sidewalls or something. you can see him really having to work the Goldwing tire on with spoons.
[image: View Post]nil5, on Jun 22 2007, 12:29 AM, said:
[image: View Post]dutchinterceptor, on Jun 21 2007, 10:01 PM, said:
I'm really good at scratching my rims with that Harbor Freight bar! Like Jeremy said....useless.
I bought the No-Mar bar and lube and it's so much easier now.
+1. I didn't even TRY to use the harbor freight bar, as my rims were freshly powder coated. The no-mar bar works pretty well, but I still had a hard time mounting the corsa iii's with it. After hearing me curse down below in the garage, for what seemed like hours, my wife was kind of like, "need some help?" and she held the tire in place while i got the bead over the rim. I felt like a pretty lucky guy at that point.
not to go off topic, but i didn't have nearly as easy a time with the HF tire changer as the No-mar guy does on the videos with their system. think most of the videos use really soft sidewalls or something. you can see him really having to work the Goldwing tire on with spoons.
good luck ymmv!
The trick to mounting the tire is to keep all of the bead in the center of the wheel. I get all but the last 3-5 inches of tire mounted by hand just by keeping all of the bead in the center of the wheel.
Another no-mar fan here; but, I keep the HF bar 'cause it is so long and heavy I figure it must be good for something, pry bar, weapon, I'm not sure yet.......
I have no issue mounting with the bar, you need to keep the bar angle either high or low(can't remember).
These unprotected ends will eat a wheel's PC, you can buy Coats 220 replacement plastic bar end wheel protectors for the HF unit. :thumbsup:
I usually use irons to mount but recently I was having trouble so I used the mount bar and it worked well. :unsure:
I do have one major complaint with the HF stand though....IT'S A P.O.S!!!! Mine cracked in half after 20 or so changes! Easy to see why with those crappy welds....oh well I'll just have to make it better than before. I guess ya get what you pay for! :rolleyes:
I used to have a HF tire changer, but I gave it to someone else after I tried to change a few tires with it. I bought a Coats 220, and never had a problem since.
Just bought a HF tire changer myself. My Nomar demount bar and Marc Parnes balancer should be arriving next week.
And, from a tip I read in another thread, I dipped the rim holders in some of that plastic tool dip stuff to help prevent scratches. I'll probably dip the HF demount bar in some too.
[image: View Post]Darth Bling, on Jun 22 2007, 10:28 PM, said:
Just bought a HF tire changer myself. My Nomar demount bar and Marc Parnes balancer should be arriving next week.
And, from a tip I read in another thread, I dipped the rim holders in some of that plastic tool dip stuff to help prevent scratches. I'll probably dip the HF demount bar in some too.
Don't bother dipping the bar, it will come right off. From what I hear, it comes off the rim holders pretty quickly also. May want to use some rags between the rim holders and the rim.
[image: View Post]jeremy556, on Jun 22 2007, 09:30 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Darth Bling, on Jun 22 2007, 10:28 PM, said:
Just bought a HF tire changer myself. My Nomar demount bar and Marc Parnes balancer should be arriving next week.
And, from a tip I read in another thread, I dipped the rim holders in some of that plastic tool dip stuff to help prevent scratches. I'll probably dip the HF demount bar in some too.
Don't bother dipping the bar, it will come right off. From what I hear, it comes off the rim holders pretty quickly also. May want to use some rags between the rim holders and the rim.
You might also try cutting several slices out of a heavy duty inner tube and lining the rim clamps.
[image: View Post]vfrjim2002, on Jun 22 2007, 09:34 PM, said:
You might also try cutting several slices out of a heavy duty inner tube and lining the rim clamps.
:thumbsup: Cut about a 3"-4" section of a mountain bike tube, wrap it around the clamps and then use a cable-tie to hold it in place. I've since added delrin blocks but they tend to let the rim spin so I'm probably gonna go back to the tubes.
[image: View Post]nil5, on Jun 21 2007, 09:29 PM, said:
[image: View Post]dutchinterceptor, on Jun 21 2007, 10:01 PM, said:
I'm really good at scratching my rims with that Harbor Freight bar! Like Jeremy said....useless.
I bought the No-Mar bar and lube and it's so much easier now.
+1. I didn't even TRY to use the harbor freight bar, as my rims were freshly powder coated. The no-mar bar works pretty well, but I still had a hard time mounting the corsa iii's with it. After hearing me curse down below in the garage, for what seemed like hours, my wife was kind of like, "need some help?" and she held the tire in place while i got the bead over the rim. I felt like a pretty lucky guy at that point.
not to go off topic, but i didn't have nearly as easy a time with the HF tire changer as the No-mar guy does on the videos with their system. think most of the videos use really soft sidewalls or something. you can see him really having to work the Goldwing tire on with spoons.
good luck ymmv!
Get a couple of those Irwin wood clamps or similar to squeeze the tire beads together towards the center of the rim, space a couple around the tire. Murphy's oil works great as lube too.
I use my HF bar only for leverage with their bead breaker, too many scratches on the rim already.
Like others have said, use rim protectors where your rim hits the holders and then use a couple of tie downs to hold the rim down so it won't spin... also use plenty of tire lube... voila... no scratches...
On the rim holder pieces I have been using 3m's rubber electrical tape. It's thick rubber and very stretcthy and adheres very well. I've found many uses for it.
Its been awhile since I posted pics of the machine I built but here is one. This is substantially the unit except the bead breaker that is a piece of heavy threaded rod that attaches to the back side and is run by my impact wrench. Total cost for the steel was about 30 bucks a few years ago and fab time maybe 4 hours. I do have a chop saw to make layout and fit quite easy. Really strong and worked for the snow tires on the car. Car tires (15") anyway were way easy to mount. I spent 100+ dollars on a Coates 220 tire iron and I have put a few scratches on my rims even with the milk jug protectors but much easier than tire irons which pretty much guarantee scratches. Takes longer to get wheels on and off the bike than change and balance the tire. M. Parnes is the answer....
http://mvsunline.com/finchanger.jpg
[image: View Post]rad, on 22 June 2007 - 12:41 AM, said:
Another no-mar fan here; but, I keep the HF bar 'cause it is so long and heavy I figure it must be good for something, pry bar, weapon, I'm not sure yet.......
LOL! Yeah I still have mine laying around somewhere waiting for me to bump into it and knock it over. Friggan thing is loud! :goofy:
[image: View Post]dutchinterceptor, on 22 June 2007 - 09:54 PM, said:
[image: View Post]vfrjim2002, on Jun 22 2007, 09:34 PM, said:
You might also try cutting several slices out of a heavy duty inner tube and lining the rim clamps.
:thumbsup: Cut about a 3"-4" section of a mountain bike tube, wrap it around the clamps and then use a cable-tie to hold it in place. I've since added delrin blocks but they tend to let the rim spin so I'm probably gonna go back to the tubes.
I have that problem with the Mojo Blocks. I stick some inner tube bits between the blocks and the rim for traction. Seems to be working, only tried it a couple times so far.
[image: View Post]R_Cote, on 21 June 2007 - 08:27 PM, said:
Has Anyone had any luck with using the hooked end of the mount bar? Seems I always have to resort to using tire irons for mounting. No problem removing the tire with the bar but forget about using it to mount the tire. The bar always slips out at the end ( when it gets tight) when trying to install with the bar. It slips every time. Yes, I keep the bead down in the center.
I'm planning on buying one of those mojo levers when they become available again.
Mojo bar and Mojo blocks used here.. Works great and rim dont slip. Keep the Bar riding high and off the rotor along with the other sugestions here... ( no you dont have to remove the front rotors. Just be sure to keep the bar at a high angle..
If I take my tire valve core out and take a tie down around the outside diameter of the tire, will a SLIME CAR type electric air compressor seat the bead on a rear tire?
[image: View Post]spud786, on 18 January 2010 - 05:14 PM, said:
While on the subject
If I take my tire valve core out and take a tie down around the outside diameter of the tire, will a SLIME CAR type electric air compressor seat the bead on a rear tire?
I'd think if the compressor is able to reach around 50-60 lbs it should work. Why remove the valve core if your inflating?
p.s. I just used my new No Mar bar with my HF tire changer yesterday - wow what a difference - slick as snot. I was torn between it and and the mojo lever, but No Mar sends along a free "yellow thingy", three replacement demount tips and lots of lube with their deal at $99 shipped.
removing the core alows air in alot faster, aiding with faster buildup of pressure , to hopefully make for easier beed seating with low pressure devices
[image: View Post]spud786, on 18 January 2010 - 08:14 PM, said:
While on the subject
If I take my tire valve core out and take a tie down around the outside diameter of the tire, will a SLIME CAR type electric air compressor seat the bead on a rear tire?
It may or may not work.. The volume of air is what you need if having a hard time gettting a tire to seat.. Its worth a try though.. If it doesnt work and you have no other choice spray some either inside the tire and connect and turn on the pump, then throw a match at it.. while stepping back quickly.. just dont use too much..
No Im not kidding.. I have had to seat other types of tires this way.... Last resort of course..
[image: View Post]marid2apterbilt, on 19 January 2010 - 08:42 AM, said:
[image: View Post]spud786, on 18 January 2010 - 08:14 PM, said:
While on the subject
If I take my tire valve core out and take a tie down around the outside diameter of the tire, will a SLIME CAR type electric air compressor seat the bead on a rear tire?
It may or may not work.. The volume of air is what you need if having a hard time gettting a tire to seat.. Its worth a try though.. If it doesnt work and you have no other choice spray some either inside the tire and connect and turn on the pump, then throw a match at it.. while stepping back quickly.. just dont use too much..
No Im not kidding.. I have had to seat other types of tires this way.... Last resort of course..
Its didnt work, I had to go to the gas station to seat the bead with spray bottle of tire lube. I tried a slime car compressor, never budged off zero psi, bouncing tire did nothing.
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