So I get my August edition of Australian Motor Cycle News mag and there it is on page six - a full 1/2 page including a pic of the 60th anniversary (Sept 2008), V5 1000(ish) VFR.
110kw (say 140/150ish HP) with great torque through out the rev range. Pic (only LHS of bike) has a blacked out swing arm - can't tell if its SSS or not. Looks like under seat exhaust has gone, slimmed down single lens headlight, and radially mounted front brakes. Still has side mounted radiators(?), chain driven but non-vtec (yeah!!) cams, and a trick frame featuring no central spar - both ends of the bike mount directly to the engine. No fancy graphics just the normal understated colour scheme.
I realise that this is an Australian mag and most of you won't get it but search around - :-)
You read it here first! (Unless I've missed a post somewhere)
Might be wrong (won't be a first..... ;p )...but...I can't imagine Honda tooling up and spending what it will take to get a model like this off the ground in today's economic climate when the VFR already has a great market in Europe, and can easily be discontinued in markets where it doesn't sell. Cheap sportbikes is the market Honda is getting slaughtered in on the USA market. Kawasaki is selling the $3500 to $6500 stuff faster than it hits the dealer floors. The new market and buyer emerging here is the bargain hunters wanting commuter ability combined with some weekend fun......I talk to em' every day, and ridden with a few lately...Ninja 250s, and the cheaper 600ish models.............. :rolleyes:
i can only imagine a V5 honda starting at $20-25k in 1098S territory. if its not a full blown $75k motogp replica.
I'm 99% certain that were gonna see a new V4 VFR in the next year.
cc size yet to be determined.
i dont think were gonna see a full 1000
probably some oddball 900ish
No need to tool up, just use the 990cc V5 motoGP mill from a couple of years ago...
I'll check the mag tomorrow and scan it if its a new piccy, but I expect its still a fantasy. As much as I like the thought, I doubt am Aussie rag would get their mitts on the real story first...
[image: View Post]AB-Oz, on Jul 30 2008, 06:52 AM, said:
No need to tool up, just use the 990cc V5 motoGP mill from a couple of years ago...
I don't think the "tools" for MotoGP engine production will stand up to mass production techniques. Designs maybe, but I would prefer an engine that will last 20 years over a motor that will produce 200HP and need to be rebuilt so I can ride it next weekend too.
Had a look at the mag, small photochopped picture of a Vtec, reworked front and slight change to the rear, ugly fully enclosed swingarm chainguard hub thing, radial front brakes.
Then a blurb that is straight from fantasy land.
Stay tuned for September/October when honda reveal new colours for 2009.
Some Dutch magazines also have an article on the new Honda VFR V5. No pics but just speculation based on the patents that ROUSE posted earlier. Release date expected to be september 24.
A Dutch VFROC member talked to a Castrol R&D engineer who said the new VFR has been in Germany for testing. :mellow:
[image: View Post]V4 Rosso, on Aug 2 2008, 06:58 AM, said:
Some Dutch magazines also have an article on the new Honda VFR V5. No pics but just speculation based on the patents that ROUSE posted earlier. Release date expected to be september 24.
A Dutch VFROC member talked to a Castrol R&D engineer who said the new VFR has been in Germany for testing. :mellow:
after finding a new V4 engine patent with Twin Clutch (NON CVT) transmission and an upgraded ST1300 engine with CVT , i CAN'T see the VFR800 replacement being a V5,
But what about the possibility of there being 2 new VFR's
a VFR750-900 V4 Interceptor and a VFR990-1200 V5 Super Interceptor.
it would be really cool to have a VF990R or "RVF990R RC61 Super Interceptor" where do i sign!? :warranty:
The lead engineer is Yoshiteru Kinoshita and the project has been underway in current form for five years.
I tried but I could not reach him for comment. Sigh...
why cant these magazine photochoppers use some original ideas. were not going to see the same seat, grab rails, sub frame, mirrors, trim pieces, wheels ect...
the V5 would also have 3 header pipes in the front.
[image: View Post]vfrgreg, on Jul 30 2008, 06:15 AM, said:
So I get my August edition of Australian Motor Cycle News mag and there it is on page six - a full 1/2 page including a pic of the 60th anniversary (Sept 2008), V5 1000(ish) VFR.
110kw (say 140/150ish HP) with great torque through out the rev range. Pic (only LHS of bike) has a blacked out swing arm - can't tell if its SSS or not. Looks like under seat exhaust has gone, slimmed down single lens headlight, and radially mounted front brakes. Still has side mounted radiators(?), chain driven but non-vtec (yeah!!) cams, and a trick frame featuring no central spar - both ends of the bike mount directly to the engine. No fancy graphics just the normal understated colour scheme.
I realise that this is an Australian mag and most of you won't get it but search around - :-)
You read it here first! (Unless I've missed a post somewhere)
same source or same photoshopper ?
And heres the right hand side.
Lets not get our hopes to high. they could release this at the paris show. and say its only avail in UK and Japan for the first year. and might be considered for USA.
"SNORT"......"yawn"....."scratch, scratch"......"stretch"........"what year, month, and day is this"......"cough"......."what"......"rumor says Honda is building a "what" for a VFR"......"oh well"........."wake me when it hits the dealer floors"............. :schla15: :schla15: :schla15:
I went to the website motorcyclenews.com and read that they were going to reveal the new bike on 08-08-08. Any truth to that? I also noticed on the two photos on the front cover of the magazine, the blue bike has straight pipes and the red ones has angled ones. The angled ones look beter. :fing02:
[image: View Post]VFR4Lee, on Aug 29 2008, 12:35 AM, said:
Cycle News #35 hit my mailbox today. Column in the back by Michael Scott says Honda leaked news they will launch it's first V5 bike next year. A 1000cc V5 updated VFR sport tourer, plus a full touring model with hard bags.
F1 style pushbutton shift.
Slipper clutch.
ABS. Plenty electronics.
Engine block is the main frame member.
No word on HP, Torque, or price.
And I don't see it on their web site, or Honda's.
Still, if it's in Cycle news.... :unsure:
Well, that's very similar to the MCN rumour. Not sure if that means Mr. Scott got it from MCN, or a separate source--obviously the latter would be somewhat better than the former!
[image: View Post]Iannn, on Aug 30 2008, 04:01 PM, said:
Speaking of Harleys, I was reading about them the other day and found some information that pissed me off. Apparently in the early 80's the Harley company lobbied the US government good enough to get a huge tariff put on Japanese bikes over 700cc's. How I see it is they basically could not compete with reasonably priced well built bikes and went crying to a sympathetic government to get help. I bet Harley still had a hard time competing even with an almost 50% edge due to the tariff.
That is why all the V45 Honda's went from 750cc's to 700cc in model year 1984. It is always great when the government thinks it knows better about what we should all be buying or riding. We are so fortunate to have them watching out for us.
Went to my local Honda dealer (Rick Gill Honda in Perth Australia) and had a chat with the sales manager. I simply asked for a brochure on the 2009 VFR and he said he had none and none were available.
So no printed handouts.....
I asked if this year was Honda's 60th anniversary which he confirmed (of course) he then cottoned onto where I was going and said that it is not unusual for Honda to keep things quiet about new model releases..... - enough said and I went off to buy my oil filter and speedo drive nut thingo for my vernerable 1994.
When they build a better bike I will buy it. I'm just about at the point now where I reckon I will just spend the $$ and recondition / improve / modify the old girl - maybe a big bore kit and a coat of paint or do I leave the stone chips as a mark of respect due to her age? After all she's done close to the magic 200,000km now and deserves a tidy up
[image: View Post]afennell, on Sep 5 2008, 12:56 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Iannn, on Aug 30 2008, 04:01 PM, said:
Speaking of Harleys, I was reading about them the other day and found some information that pissed me off. Apparently in the early 80's the Harley company lobbied the US government good enough to get a huge tariff put on Japanese bikes over 700cc's. How I see it is they basically could not compete with reasonably priced well built bikes and went crying to a sympathetic government to get help. I bet Harley still had a hard time competing even with an almost 50% edge due to the tariff.
That is why all the V45 Honda's went from 750cc's to 700cc in model year 1984. It is always great when the government thinks it knows better about what we should all be buying or riding. We are so fortunate to have them watching out for us.
But, Harley also asked them to repeal the tariff one year before it was scheduled to end. Read on:
November 10, 1999 When the motorcycle market shrank due to the 1981-1982 recession, Japanese producers continued to ship motorcycles, creating a glut of unsold bikes that artificially depressed prices and threatened Harley's viability. Following an investigation under Section 201 of the 1974 Trade Act, the U.S. International Trade Commission found in 1983 that increased imports of heavyweight motorcycles threatened serious injury to the domestic industry. This finding gave the President authority to impose temporary import relief to allow the industry time to adjust. A 45% tariff surcharge was imposed with a scheduled phase-out of five years. Harley�s recovery was so successful, however, that it took the unprecedented step of asking that the tariff surcharge be repealed one year ahead of schedule, in 1987. Harley-Davidson has now gone on to further success as U.S. exports of motorcycles and parts have grown 15 percent annually from 1987 to 1998, reaching $626 million last year or about 35% of industry sales.
Wow, �108 for a V5 spark-plug replacement kit :blink: [image: Posted Image]
No, the link doesn't work. Just having a bit of fun :^P
That's nothing. Secret Honda memorandum says that the V5's will be offered in Honda (VTEC) and Acura (iVtec) version. The Acuras have iVtec cam chain tensioners that can vary the lobe separation of the cams to achieve better emissions (together with the programmed electronic throttle lag that makes every rider a smooth and energy efficient rider by eliminating transitions to WOT in less than 30 seconds). Anyhow, the iVtec engines will use two electronically controlled cam chain tensioners (one to advance cam timing, one to retard) on each cam, and the set of 8 is scheduled as a regular maintenance replacement every 24,000 km (15,000 miles) due to the marketing derived feature (high-performance planned obsolescence) that is generally known as Honda HiPPO ™. Preliminary numbers indicate that the required CCT's will list for $781.00 each however a package deal valve adjustment including a full set of CCT's and the anticipated R/R replacement required every 24,000 km (15,000 miles) will be offered at a reduced rate of (V) 4,750 (cc) which of course will always be the right number provided the VFR purchaser obtains the long term Honda Reliability Plan under the ordering code "GDC".
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