Australian MCN reporting Honda V4 Dual Sport for 2012

Sorry guys/gals - I couldn't find a soft copy link/pic but AMCN (Australia's favourite bike magazine) is reporting that a V4 will be the beating heart of Honda's replacement to the Varadero in the 2012 timeframe. It's been named the V4X by the magazine.

It's ostensibly aimed squarely at the Duc MS and BMW 1200GS market and from the artist's impression picture in the magazine it looks good too. Think single sided swing-arm F800GS meets Varadero. The Varadero looks have never really "squeezed my lemons" but I reckon they've made some nice changes to get it right!

The article doesn't say what capacity but can we assume that they're not gunna tool-up for a different sized V4 motor? So let's say it'll be a 1200 (just a guess)!

Thank the good Lord - a possible Honda V4 alternative to the VFR1200F!! Not that there's anything significantly wrong with the 7th Gen - it's just not my thing! I've been lusting after a Duc MS or a F800GS and now something which allows me to stay true to Honda's famed build quality and our precious V4 motor configuration! :cheerleader:

And I can stay a member of VFRD for another 10-15 years! Sorry everyone - you're stuck with me! :happy:

I suppose they'll also give us a V4 chopper, Civic and jet ski before they finally get around to building a new V4 sport machine. :dry: :dry:

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 08 September 2010 - 05:54 AM, said:

I suppose they'll also give us a V4 chopper, Civic and jet ski before they finally get around to building a new V4 sport machine. :dry: :dry:


Funny you should mention it ... my local dealer was saying just the other day that he reckons Honda will be releasing more and more V4 configured bikes in the future (including a Blade replacement!). He's just a local Honda dealer but based on this latest development (the V4X) maybe he's on to something? :mellow:

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 08 September 2010 - 05:54 AM, said:

I suppose they'll also give us a V4 chopper, Civic and jet ski before they finally get around to building a new V4 sport machine. :dry: :dry:


If they gave you a new V4 sport bike, what would you build for yourself? :happy:

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[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 08 September 2010 - 05:54 AM, said:

I suppose they'll also give us a V4 chopper, Civic and jet ski before they finally get around to building a new V4 sport machine. :dry: :dry:


If they gave you a new V4 sport bike, what would you build for yourself? :happy:


A pit crew! :goofy:

[image: View Post]TexOz, on 08 September 2010 - 05:03 AM, said:

reporting that a V4 will be the beating heart of Honda's replacement to the Varadero in the 2012 timeframe. It's been named the V4X by the magazine.


With shaft drive?

[image: View Post]FotoMoto, on 08 September 2010 - 08:35 AM, said:

[image: View Post]TexOz, on 08 September 2010 - 05:03 AM, said:

reporting that a V4 will be the beating heart of Honda's replacement to the Varadero in the 2012 timeframe. It's been named the V4X by the magazine.


With shaft drive?


If so, potential GS killer there... provided Honda centers the mass low enough to not inhibit off road ability.

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 08 September 2010 - 08:12 AM, said:

[image: View Post]Blakeo, on 08 September 2010 - 08:05 AM, said:

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 08 September 2010 - 05:54 AM, said:

I suppose they'll also give us a V4 chopper, Civic and jet ski before they finally get around to building a new V4 sport machine. :dry: :dry:


If they gave you a new V4 sport bike, what would you build for yourself? :happy:


A pit crew! :goofy:


you've already started on that.

I'd certainly be interested in a Honda dual sport designed to compete with the GS and other makes, this Aprilia concept looks good.

http://www.motorcycl...areg/index.html

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Why can't we get a Trans-Alp in the states,anyway??

If you have read my posts about really bad German quality v big red quality you know I could dig something else red that will let me travel down the paths not taken.

That pic above this post is UGLY.

The more I see of these big, overweight "Adventure" bikes, the more I'm convinced that they are the two wheeled version of SUVs. There's just so much of this accessory horse, Off-road posing fantasy. Just leave it to the rich BMW GS guys to populate this niche Honda, I don't think we really need more of this.....Heck, I bet I put more off-road miles on my puny XL100 when I was a kid than most of the people that ride these Adventure bikes..............JMOs

Beck
95 VFR

[image: View Post]Beck, on 08 September 2010 - 12:05 PM, said:

The more I see of these big, overweight "Adventure" bikes, the more I'm convinced that they are the two wheeled version of SUVs. There's just so much of this accessory horse, Off-road posing fantasy. Just leave it to the rich BMW GS guys to populate this niche Honda, I don't think we really need more of this.....Heck, I bet I put more off-road miles on my puny XL100 when I was a kid than most of the people that ride these Adventure bikes..............JMOs

Beck
95 VFR


Couldn't agree more. Ewan Macgregor wannabe's riding unreliable and very poor quality-build bikes they paid a lot of money for having fallen for BMW's marketing.

I've ridden a BMW F800S, and it's no VFR, and whilst there was a certain fun-factor to the 1200GS, it's neither reliable enough nor well built enough for me to even consider it (and that engine sucks). If you want off road, buy an off-roader, if you want a sports-tourer buy a sports-tourer.

[image: View Post]FotoMoto, on 08 September 2010 - 08:35 AM, said:

[image: View Post]TexOz, on 08 September 2010 - 05:03 AM, said:

reporting that a V4 will be the beating heart of Honda's replacement to the Varadero in the 2012 timeframe. It's been named the V4X by the magazine.


With shaft drive?


They've just got the one little pic of the right side of the bike - I can't actually see a chain but with the lack of detail it's harder to pick than a broken nose!

The article itself is only a coupla speculative paragraphs and doesn't mention final drive.

I like the idea of a big, somewhat dirt capable bike, the BMW'r is just too expensive for my tastes. While a KLR would probably meet my desires just fine I'd like to have the MS or a new Honda V4 equivalent, even the Aprilia, an off road version of the Tuono. No, they aren't MX bikes but occasional fire road machines that expand your riding horizon. With comfort and street performance included, in the MS's case at least. I drool over this MS S touring alsmost every day at work... :wub:

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Maybe history is somewhat repeating itself? Honda came out with the V45 Sabre back in 82. Wasn`t too spectacular, wasn`t a sport bike, had shaft drive, questionable looks to some, a bit wallowy...

1983 on the other hand....

I'd be all over a big Honda Dual Sport along the lines of a GS. It's gonna have to be big, with wide bars, lots of power, larger than average ground clearance, crash bars, knuckle guards, tons of room in the saddlebags and have range. Otherwise, the GS is still next in line for me. Until then I'll keep abusing the VFR.

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Here's mike demonstrating there is only one way to get out of there...
http://www.youtube.c...u/7/dMWtMS4bYmM

Another bike not availible ever in the USA.

The DS version of the 1200 VFR is definitely coming. Aimed directly at the BMW 1200 GS market. A friend of mine saw (by mistake) the artists impression of it at the Honda dealers last year.

Yamaha have the 1200 Super Tenere with shaft drive & really good ABS. Also aimed directly at the GS. The GS is very popular in SA for riding the long gravel highways. BMWs are not as overpriced in SA as they are in the USA.
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It has a very vulnerable side mounted radiator. It has 2 fuel mapping settings - the mild one being very useful for technical riding. It also has 3 traction control settings - again this is useful for technical riding. A very good assessment of the bike here http://www.wilddog.z...p?topic=50530.0 Long thread about it here http://www.wilddog.z...opic=23116.1340 It has good photos on the last few pages but I can't post them here as they are incompatible with this software.

[image: View Post]Skids, on 08 September 2010 - 12:26 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Beck, on 08 September 2010 - 12:05 PM, said:

The more I see of these big, overweight "Adventure" bikes, the more I'm convinced that they are the two wheeled version of SUVs. There's just so much of this accessory horse, Off-road posing fantasy. Just leave it to the rich BMW GS guys to populate this niche Honda, I don't think we really need more of this.....Heck, I bet I put more off-road miles on my puny XL100 when I was a kid than most of the people that ride these Adventure bikes..............JMOs

Beck
95 VFR


Couldn't agree more. Ewan Macgregor wannabe's riding unreliable and very poor quality-build bikes they paid a lot of money for having fallen for BMW's marketing.

I've ridden a BMW F800S, and it's no VFR, and whilst there was a certain fun-factor to the 1200GS, it's neither reliable enough nor well built enough for me to even consider it (and that engine sucks). If you want off road, buy an off-roader, if you want a sports-tourer buy a sports-tourer.


Two wheeled SUV - nice analogy. Except mates of mine that have owned these things (big Dual sports) have bought them not for bush-bashing but for use on our crappy, bumpy, unkempt, back roads in Oz. Believe me there's lots of sh1t roads in Australia!! So, in that respect, these big dual-sports open up heaps more alternative roads than are available to blokes like me on a road sports-tourers. Okay it's not a dirt bike but that's not what I would want anyway. If I'm only gunna own one or two bikes (not sure I could give up my 5th Gen) I'll take the SUV label on a DS if it's the cost of a better riding experience :happy:

[image: View Post]HispanicSlammer, on 09 September 2010 - 01:47 AM, said:

Another bike not availible ever in the USA.

+1. Honda's track record in importing DS/adventure bikes is poor at best. I doubt the US will ever see a V4 adventure bike. Not that I can blame Big Red, really. The sales of such machines is probably less than 1% of all US motorcycle sales.

Seems like a lot of GS bashing on this thread. I've heard about a couple issues with the 1200s, but most owners love their bikes and put tons on miles on them.

My only issue with bikes like this is the seat height. My short legs prevent me from even considering an adventure bike.

spyshots of the magical dualsport have been unearthed:
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[image: View Post]timmythecop, on 12 September 2010 - 02:17 AM, said:

spyshots of the magical dualsport have been unearthed:
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:happy: :happy: :happy:

Cue the cheesey Batman music "... nana nana nana nana she's got a flat man ..."

Anyway, I'm pleased to see she's BATGATT :laughing6-hehe:

Okay, I'll stop now - my apologies! :blush:

[image: View Post]vfrcapn, on 08 September 2010 - 08:05 PM, said:

I like the idea of a big, somewhat dirt capable bike, the BMW'r is just too expensive for my tastes. While a KLR would probably meet my desires just fine I'd like to have the MS or a new Honda V4 equivalent, even the Aprilia, an off road version of the Tuono. No, they aren't MX bikes but occasional fire road machines that expand your riding horizon. With comfort and street performance included, in the MS's case at least. I drool over this MS S touring alsmost every day at work... :wub:

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That's a sexy bike! Oh wait, there are a couple non red bikes in the background as well... :laughing6-hehe:

[image: View Post]Beck, on 08 September 2010 - 12:05 PM, said:

The more I see of these big, overweight "Adventure" bikes, the more I'm convinced that they are the two wheeled version of SUVs. There's just so much of this accessory horse, Off-road posing fantasy. Just leave it to the rich BMW GS guys to populate this niche Honda, I don't think we really need more of this.....Heck, I bet I put more off-road miles on my puny XL100 when I was a kid than most of the people that ride these Adventure bikes..............JMOs

Beck
95 VFR


I dunno. I would get a GS if opportunity and necessity (beyond the normal MBD) arose. Loads of luggage, comfy, and they're actually pretty good through the corners. Sure, the quality isn't quite there, but not enough to keep me from ever buying one. A buddy bought a 650GS. Something went horribly wrong with the valve train, I believe. Took it back to a dealers, and they just slapped a new engine in the bike. Well, ok, it took them a month to get an engine from Bavaria, but they did it.

Yes it will never see the light of day in the US, actually there has not been a single bike from honda brought to the us of any interest to me except the vfr(5th gen) and the bird in the last 10 years), I like the 7th but it is way out of my league. PS the big "adv" type road bikes make the best all rounders for every day bikes if you basically live on the bike.

nomination for best all rounder(and it aint a honda or a bmw)
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I'd certainly be interested in seeing this new bike, if it ever appears. That new Ducati MS1200s is at the top of my very short list for my new bike, maybe next year, but if a few more details "leak" out about this one I might just have to wait another year or so and see what happens. I do like the reliability and lower service costs of a Honda over a Ducati, although saying that everything I've been reading about the new Ducati engine looks like the servicing cost difference is much less than was and it does look like one sexy bike. :goofy:

It will be on display at EICMA next month. Here is a drawing released by Honda:

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Looks like it is named VD.

At EICMA Honda will also show a concept bike with the Veefalo engine.

VD....hmmm...someone dropped the ball in the marketing department on that one.
"Look what I brought home honey! A new VD!"
"You're sleeping on the couch and I want a divorce!"


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[image: View Post]vanion2, on 14 October 2010 - 08:30 AM, said:

VD....hmmm...someone dropped the ball in the marketing department on that one.
"Look what I brought home honey! A new VD!"
"You're sleeping on the couch and I want a divorce!"


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Yeah that's a classic...........

A chain of stores in the Netherlands is named after 2 families: Vroom en Dreesman......... V&D

In the company I work for, we had a sales organisation called Volume Direct.

Cue a french guy saying in a worldwide call

They need to FOCus more!! (wrongly placed stress)
We need more VD!!!!

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OK, fill me in here, what does VD stand for?

[image: View Post]Tyke, on 12 September 2010 - 04:40 PM, said:

I'd certainly be interested in seeing this new bike, if it ever appears. That new Ducati MS1200s is at the top of my very short list for my new bike, maybe next year, but if a few more details "leak" out about this one I might just have to wait another year or so and see what happens. I do like the reliability and lower service costs of a Honda over a Ducati, although saying that everything I've been reading about the new Ducati engine looks like the servicing cost difference is much less than was and it does look like one sexy bike. :goofy:


Ditto. But I'm going to wait it out for better side cases on the Multistrada. I hear the current ones are flimsy.

[image: View Post]V4 Rosso, on 14 October 2010 - 01:59 PM, said:

OK, fill me in here, what does VD stand for?

Venereal Disease - pertaining to any number of sexually transmitted diseases contracted during sexual intercourse.

Just wanted to post a picture in this thread of the two new Adventure Honda V4 bikes for completeness - yes I'm OCD :happy:

In hindsight it seems that the bikes are likely to be released in 2011 - but not bad reporting overall from AMCN given that they broke the news in early(ish) Sep this year :fing02:

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Moderators - feel free to put this thread into the new Crossrunner forum - cheers!