VFcRuiser show off

Here is mine viffer after some serious modifications
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The project is almost finished as the only thing left to do is to make some plastics to cover the seat-fuel tank area.

I believe MORE pictures are in order here!



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Except the golden lug nuts..............

Nicely done, but what size is that rear wheel? It looks like an 18" rim... might be visually deceptive though.

At first glance that bike looks amazing!

once you look hard enough, it looks like a beat up older bike with a flashy fairing and tail section with an oversized rim on the back.  

-Drew

It might not be your cup of tea, but don't bash his efforts.

Whatever you're riding, it's better than not riding.

^^^  Word.
And I can garuntee my bike looks way better than yours.....(j/k)   :tongue:

Seriously though...it looks like a lot of work went into that bike and with just a few finishing touches to go and I for one am all about making something I can appreciate since I am the one who will see it the most.   :fing02:

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Yeah, as i said its not quite finished yet :smile:
the tire is 240/40-18R

That is a large rear wheel. Did you also lower the front?
The pic is a bit grainy (or maybe it is my old CRT monitor) and I can't quite get what you did to the exhaust. Do you have a better pic of it?

Looks nice!  More pics are definitely in order!

Good job on diving in and making it yours.

looks like 6 piston front calipers as well...when you gonna some details?

That is a large rear wheel. Did you also lower the front?
The pic is a bit grainy (or maybe it is my old CRT monitor) and I can't quite get what you did to the exhaust. Do you have a better pic of it?

I cant tell if the front is lowered or the way that he had to line up the fairings gives it the appearance of being lowered....

The front is from ZX-12R lowered 10mm for quicker turn in to compensate for the fatter rear tire, also the rear tire is slightly taller witch again gives it quicker turn in. Overall im pleased with the outcome as i never ride it that fast to need all the lean angle.
The exhaust is stock from CBR 1000RR but there will be a little change as im going to add another cbr 1000 exhaust(latest model). That way front two cyclinders will go under the belly and the rear two under the tail.
like that:
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here is one old photo where you can see the back
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Not my cup of tea, but I do admire creativity in action. Nicely done. :smile:

I'm excited to see the creativity. I am a stock kind of guy myself. Congratulations on your achievement.
I will be anxious to see the clear pics when all your work is done.

Looks nice, it's unique, and unique is good.

:lurk:

Here is a short sound clip of the exhaust
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:ohmy: What's that Kawasaki badge doing on there? For shame! :tongue:

Sounds like a V4 to me. :fing02:

nice efforts! I'd ask ya to send me your old 8-spoke wheel since you're not using it anymore, but shipping from Bulgaria would be ridiculous I imagine.. LOL

nice efforts! I'd ask ya to send me your old 8-spoke wheel since you're not using it anymore, but shipping from Bulgaria would be ridiculous I imagine.. LOL

I don't care what shipping to Bulgaria costs, I'll send you another Civic wheel for the stock 8 spoker from the top pic in post #12.....even swap.

Here is a short sound clip of the exhaust

Sounds very nice through that CBR pipe!

I don't care what shipping to Bulgaria costs, I'll send you another Civic wheel for the stock 8 spoker from the top pic in post #12.....even swap.

I'm not interested in tricycles, thanks :rolleyes:

As for the project it is finally complete, except for the paint. Some day of the coming winter i'm planing to do the paint job. It's difficult for me to decide what exactly paint scheme it should be, but i prefer something with black, yellow and maybe silver or graphite to mach the wheels..... Its not the best combo, but black and yellow are the colors written in the registration documents.
So if anyone here can help me with that paint scheme it would be great. :goofy:

No more writing, here is the final form of my frankenviffer with two exhaust :cheerleader:

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It certainly catches the eye. :fing02:

I like it. It looks mean.

here is the final form of my frankenviffer with two exhaust :cheerleader:

I admit I had some doubts as to how it would turn out with two exhausts, but it looks cool :beer:
The bike looks like it will easily do 200mph on the dragstrip :fing02:

I like your machine's looks a lot. Sleek and unique.

I don't care what shipping to Bulgaria costs, I'll send you another Civic wheel for the stock 8 spoker from the top pic in post #12.....even swap.

I'm not interested in tricycles, thanks :rolleyes:




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Not trying to start something but isn't that an 18" or 19" rear Honda civic wheel on your bike in this picture?

I don't care what shipping to Bulgaria costs, I'll send you another Civic wheel for the stock 8 spoker from the top pic in post #12.....even swap.

I'm not interested in tricycles, thanks :rolleyes:

As for the project it is finally complete, except for the paint. Some day of the coming winter i'm planing to do the paint job. It's difficult for me to decide what exactly paint scheme it should be, but i prefer something with black, yellow and maybe silver or graphite to mach the wheels..... Its not the best combo, but black and yellow are the colors written in the registration documents.
So if anyone here can help me with that paint scheme it would be great. :goofy:

No more writing, here is the final form of my frankenviffer with two exhaust :cheerleader:

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Front looks too low, do you have enough clearance at full compression in front?
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Karhawk, was there a writup somewhere on your bike I missed, she's beautiful!!

Karhawk, was there a writup somewhere on your bike I missed, she's beautiful!!

:+1:

Yes, nice bike, would like to see the details.

Front looks too low, do you have enough clearance at full compression in front?
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just.... but i like my front not tooo soft and wobbly.
Nice bike, but from that photo only, I think that your forks are way high in the triples! If you move them down about an inch your bike will have better steering.

Front looks too low, do you have enough clearance at full compression in front?
here is my viffer: [image: Posted Image]I agree I want to go a little lower in front, pretty much stock height now.

just.... but i like my front not tooo soft and wobbly.
Nice bike, but from that photo only, I think that your forks are way high in the triples! If you move them down about an inch your bike will have better steering.

Karhawk, was there a writup somewhere on your bike I missed, she's beautiful!!

http://www.vfrdiscus...tallion-viffer/

In the coming winter I plan to repaint everything, this time i'll give it to the proffesionals :idea3:
I've narrowed my choices down to two:

1)Leave it the way it is.
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2) Something little bit different.
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Help me decide which one is better.

Very good looking bike, I like the way the panels work with each other and the tank, and the lower exhaust also complements the scheme. And I really like the current paint scheme. It looks a little bit BMW.

Your proposed minor changes look good, I think they give the bike a more contemporary look. Also at the moment it does look somewhat nose-heavy and your updated scheme takes a lot of that away.

I'd love to see it with a front wheel that matches the rear a bit, and a solo seat cowl in silver would also set it off nicely.

You've probably noticed that there is a bit of angst around here when it comes to oversize rear wheels :happy: Going with an 18" is a novel approach, well until you remember that the RC30 had an 18" rear wheel.

Well done!

My vote goes to #2 but i would leave the tailsection as is.
+1 on getting a seat cover in silver.

Although I would give it points for originality and style (not for me however), I would not like to ride your bike on Push Mtn Rd in Arkansas! It looks to me at even moderate lean angles, the traction would be sketchy...

https://maps.google....kansas&t=m&z=12

Here is the proposed design.... I think it's more balanced :happy:
And i really like the idea for a seat cover, thanx!

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P.S.
Actually I thought the same about traction and grip, but i decided to do it anyway....Recently i had to transport a frend's bike from one garage to another. The bike was 2008 CBR 600 RR. Well, it felt very easy to maneuver and easy to steer but traction wise mine is far better. On very polished asphalt in the city where his bike is all over the place, mine is planted as a rock. DOT of his tires is 2011 mine front is 2008(need to change that asap :ph34r: ) and rear is 2011. Also weight distribution is changed as now with heavier tire and rim the balance is little more at the back and i feel it more stable when braking hard. I know it is different for everybody but for me and my riding style(fast but no knee drag nonsenses) is perfect, and i'm very happy with the output of the bike.

Another question: what does it look like on the other side? Did you have the unfinished side of the wheel polished?

The other side is just like this one(minus the under belly exhaust). This is not a BMW :happy:
I don't understand what unfinished side are you talking about and what polished wheel!

Typically the backside of a car wheel is unfinished. This is a car wheel, right?

I tried to capture a sound clip with my phone. Sound is very weak so turn your volume up.
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New HD clip from the old veefer :)

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=l6hMfGCXksc

I'm really digging the CBR1000 low exhaust. Do you have any pics without the fairings and close ups of the mounting? Can you take the rear wheel off without removing the exhaust?

I dont have pics of the exhaust without the fairing but it was a hard fit. I had to cut it quite a bit on the back side in order to fit it as it is.... I still have to cut some more as it hangs 1cm lower from the fairing. Any way, i am pleased with the way it looks and sounds and i still can take the back wheel off without removing the exhaust.

You keep what you kill, right?

:goofy:

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Haha, that's awesome.

Update:

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Btw it was bike of the day in bikepics.com  :goofy:

Awesome

A rear tire that wide isn't going to make it corner so well because of the resulting profile differences between front and rear and from a few pics seen I'd suspect looking closely in the flesh most people would see it's not a well finished project.

Looks to me as if it'll be quite a reach more forward than the standard bike too. But what's most important here is you. As long as you enjoy building & riding it that's great!

You are wright! It is far from perfect! I personally know more than 30 things on that bike that need to be finished better or redone propperly....I can do them, I know how, but it is actually a 23 years old bike that i bought for 700 euros and put another 1200 euro in it as parts....

Actually, for me most of the fun in this bike comes from building it. I like the apearence and sound of it.

Riding it is whole another story - i cannot do more than 300/400km at a time without some rest. Fast corners are somewhat more difficult due to the fat rear tire. Handlebars are too low for a comfy 5/6 hour journey. Two up is extremely uncomfortable for the passanger, even for short 100km trip. Headlights are far from good. Gas mileage is not great either.

But having a blast around town with fast accelerations and tight corners, sliding the rear at every possible occasion..... simply perfect. Rear traction is awesome, stopping with the twin 6-pot callibers and 320mm discs is far better than the original brakes of the VFR. And the sound from the twin exhausts under acceleration and popping under braking....no words for it. And not to forget the warm feeling when i stop next to some new, great looking, awesome bike and everyone is asking for the owner of the old, cheap VFR....

It is not a bike that i choose when i go for a bike trip, it is a bike made to have fun with. Somewhat fast, awkward and loud, that's it

 that's all.

When i go for a trip i take my brand new(atleast when i bought it, it was :491:  ) Kawasaki EN 500. COMPLETELY STOCK!

For what You said, nothing can beat a new, stock machine.

The new colourscheme looks good :fing02:

Wow, tough crowd. Kudos to you for the hard work and the balls to jump in and see what you could do with it!

You keep what you kill, right?

:goofy:

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Very  very  funy  ..

A rear tire that wide isn't going to make it corner so well because of the resulting profile differences between front and rear 

wanna bet? 

i have put a 240 on a gsxr 1000 and ripped through traffic with barely a noticeable difference. the owner of the bike took it to the track and kept his lap times the same. now i will admit neither of use pushed it higher than 140mph.... but neither will the owner of the above vfr

 its not like he went REAL wide...

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There is a very big difference in gravel though  :goofy:

The wider tire is always searching for the highest rock, and is jumping from one to another. Very bizarre feeling of the bike suddenly tilting left or right, but after a while you get used to it.

People who say negative shit about wide tires have never ridden one or are very, very fast guys. I personaly doubt very much the second.

Thank you all for the kudos  :beer:

PS: the "Keep what you kill" photo was from one short trip with my best frend. We found one small route along the river. It was like it was abandoned or something. Very narow from the bushes that were starting to close the road, but with good tarmac and good combination of fast and slow corners and some ups and downs. Zero trafic. On one of the humps of the tarmac you could actually jump. Any way, we had our fun and when we headed back we saw a monument behind the bushes, on the bank of the river. We had to stop and see what's what. When we decided to go, his bike refused to start.....and after several trials the battery died, push start did not work either. So i decided to prank him and said i have to go to ..... can't help... sory mate.  :pinocchio:

So i leave him there, in the middle of nowere and went to the nearest gas station. Bought some rope and couple of beers and snacks and headed back. When i arrived he was laying on the grass in the shade of the forest, waching the river. He is a true "carpe diem" guy, actually  :happy:

I towed him to his house after that and finished the day with some more beers. Good fun.

A rear tire that wide isn't going to make it corner so well because of the resulting profile differences between front and rear 

wanna bet? 

i have put a 240 on a gsxr 1000 and ripped through traffic with barely a noticeable difference. the owner of the bike took it to the track and kept his lap times the same. now i will admit neither of use pushed it higher than 140mph.... 

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It obviously doesn't encompass 240 width tires and the resulting profile, but you might get the idea.

A rear tire that wide isn't going to make it corner so well because of the resulting profile differences between front and rear 

wanna bet? 

i have put a 240 on a gsxr 1000 and ripped through traffic with barely a noticeable difference. the owner of the bike took it to the track and kept his lap times the same. now i will admit neither of use pushed it higher than 140mph.... 

  A graphic to illustrate some of the differences just with playing with rear tire sizes.   [image: TireAspectRatioComparison-1.jpg]

It obviously doesn't encompass 240 width tires and the resulting profile, but you might get the idea.

blah blah blah.. put your ass in the seat and and RIDE !!!

numbers are nice and say nice things on paper but behave differently when actually used. :beer:

 like i said.. the owner of the bike put up matching numbers going around the track. :wheel:

Fast corners are somewhat more difficult due to the fat rear tire. 

RIDE!!! - That I do. To the very edge on my unfashionably skinny tires! 

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You stick to your big badass tires. If they suit you well, that's cool. Me? I don't feel a need to go any wider than standard. Only taller! 

Fast corners are somewhat more difficult due to the fat rear tire. 

RIDE!!! - That I do. To the very edge on my unfashionably narrow tires! 

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I've yet to be overtaken at a series of corners by a guy on fat rear tires, on a racetrack. Would love to see it though!   :491:

do you think the modded vfr is going to be on a track? or anywhere near it??  :wink:

No, it would probably suffer an accident from decking out and lifting it's rear wheel due to ground clearance being too low.  :beer:

But I don't think rc36r has any intentions of leaning it over that far nor taking it to a track for that matter!

Our discussion here is whether or not wider rear tires adversely affect cornering ability. I say yes obviously, you say no it makes no difference. 
Has the penny dropped yet?

it wont matter for street riding.

you saw the pix of the 2 cruisers.

1 has a 300 rear the other has a 400. both hit 120 mph around the  dc beltway and handle just fine.  

so yep, the wheel on is bike is just fine for his needs. 

  as for your dropped penny.. sorry i am deaf and cant hear it hit the floor. :cool:

Bike looks awesome. 
Well done 
 

I was curious enough to get a 160/70 put onto my 4th Gen once to see if it improved handling, but it felt about the same (Dunlop D207 in 1999) but then I discovered that the D207 was an oversize tyre and the 170 I'd been running was physically the same as other brands 180s.

Tyre tech nowadays is such that you won't notice a significant difference, and I reckon how you have your suspension/geometry set up makes more of a difference than tyre width.