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New Red Led Tail Lights... Ya Gotta Be Blind Not To See Me Stopping

42 posts Started 1 Aug 2014 Last recovered post 10 Sep 2014 Wayback Machine snapshot 26 Oct 2014

#1

My girl installed these.... really helps to have small hands.... $32 fleabay score... much brighter than OEM

7443/7440 Red Projector 25W CREE High Power LED Brake Tail Stop Lights Bulbs  

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#2

Correct me if i'm mistaken, but the stock bulbs are clear, what is the advantage of red led over a regular white in this case? Bright is always good..


#3

Yes, the oem incandescent bulbs are clear.... these were marketed specifically for tail lights behind red lenses.... the white leds will probably work too


#4

Correct me if i'm mistaken, but the stock bulbs are clear, what is the advantage of red led over a regular white in this case? Bright is always good..

White LEDs give off less light in the red wavelengths and will not be as bright as red LEDs. Always put the same color LED behind a tinted lens or the lens will filter out some of the light and reduce the brightness
#5

Install process? Does it require a separate power unit?


#6

Install process? Does it require a separate power unit?

Well we know it takes small hands! :goofy: Those actually look like they just plug into the existing bulb socket.


#7

Install process? Does it require a separate power unit?

Well we know it takes small hands! :goofy: Those actually look like they just plug into the existing bulb socket.

Just wanted to check after the recent shi-ate I've been through with LED headlights.  :wink:


#8

They are plug and play, just make sure you test out LEDs before you put everything back together, as they are picky about their orientation in the socket. Sometimes you have to unplug and 180* before it works.


#9

^^^That's the diode part of them I guess


#10

They're plug n play and incredibly bright without being obnoxious....after just taking a refresher MSF course... highly recommended! :beer:

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they also mate up well with white LED licence plate screws for a clean look... you can find them on fleabay from couple vendors for around 10 bucks

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#11

My girl installed these.... really helps to have small hands.... $32 fleabay score... much brighter than OEM

7443/7440 Red Projector 25W CREE High Power LED Brake Tail Stop Lights Bulbs  

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Nice Ass :beer:

is the difference between running and brake brightness is noticeable enough?

only LED tail I had was an integrated on my previous CBR600RR and u could barely see the difference at dark night, let alone in the sun shine


#12

Good point that about taillights/brakelights difference, I'm wondering too with a top box fitted how visible the taillights are to a higher vehicle,being that the top box overhangs the rear end a bit.


#13

The camera really doesn't do it justice.... in normal mode you wouldn't notice much difference from stock.

but tap on that rear brake and nuthin but bright RED RED RED! :fing02:   


#14

Good point that about taillights/brakelights difference, I'm wondering too with a top box fitted how visible the taillights are to a higher vehicle,being that the top box overhangs the rear end a bit.

I have a GIVI E55 top case on my 2000 VFR800 and can certainly say that the tail light is still visible. I have LED tail lights and my brother says he can see my tail lights when he is behind me in his truck. His truck is a 2012 Dodge Ram3500 with an 8 inch lift kit and 35 inch tires. The floor of his box is 52 inches off the ground, so if he can still see the brake lights when behind me at a stop light and comment "Geez your freakin brake light is bright" I would say your good to go.

I am also going to add the brake light kit to the top case for some added insurance mind you. For $80 for the Givi brake light kit for my top case, it is cheap insurance.
#15

I went a different path....2 LED strips together attached to me topbox rack, 1 wired to the tail lights as in picture, the second wired to the brake lights. When they are both on they are blinding.

I commute on the freeway, you can't have enough lights.

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#16
I have LED tailights on my 4th gen, but they're nowhere near as bright as the OP's
....I wonder if they sell those in a "bayonet" style mount???
#18

If your looking for LEDs, check these guys out. I have no affiliation (other than being a customer).  I got some LED bulbs for the turn signals on my dual sport bike.  The quality seemed good and fast shipping.    

http://www.superbrightleds.com/


#19

I have a GIVI E55 top case on my 2000 VFR800 and can certainly say that the tail light is still visible. I have LED tail lights and my brother says he can see my tail lights when he is behind me in his truck. His truck is a 2012 Dodge Ram3500 with an 8 inch lift kit and 35 inch tires. The floor of his box is 52 inches off the ground, so if he can still see the brake lights when behind me at a stop light and comment "Geez your freakin brake light is bright" I would say your good to go.


I am also going to add the brake light kit to the top case for some added insurance mind you. For $80 for the Givi brake light kit for my top case, it is cheap insurance.

You could save $75 and DIY. These LEDs have been running 2 years now with no problems.

http://www.vfrdiscus...-givi-top-case/


#20

I have the admore lighting led kit in my givi e55 case Zoomzoom and it's very good,indicators,taillights and brake lights.

If I do fit the top case on the vfr though I need another harness because the I'll be leaving the existing harness on the St1100.

and those little wiring kits aren't cheap.


#21

Do these LEDs have resisters inside of them? I know some electrical systems are very sensitive to the draw from the bulbs, although on an older bike like this I doubt there are systems in place to monitor the bulbs. 


#22

I doubt the LED's do. our bikes are "dumb" so they wouldnt know the difference. In a turn signal tho you would need to add load or switch to a no load  flasher unit to prevent fast flash


#23

Correct, no apparent resistors in the LEDs. Fast blinking is a non-issue on rear tail light. A flasher relay will fix turn signal speed.


#24

Do these LEDs have resisters inside of them? I know some electrical systems are very sensitive to the draw from the bulbs, although on an older bike like this I doubt there are systems in place to monitor the bulbs.


If they're a plug & play, they should have a resistor appropriate for 12 volt system. Otherwise, they would burn up under power.
#25

Just wanted to check after the recent shi-ate I've been through with LED headlights.  :wink:

What problems did you have with LED headlights? :unsure:


#27

You will need a diode kit for LED turn signals if the lights share their ground.  If you don't your turn signals may act like flashers and both light up when you hit the turn signal switch


#28

You will need a diode kit for LED turn signals if the lights share their ground.  If you don't your turn signals may act like flashers and both light up when you hit the turn signal switch

Do you know if our bikes turn signals are that way?


#29

You're riding so bright you got to wear shades with those easy to install LED...

Back in 02 I replaced twin tail light bulbs with dual round circuit boards of white LED...  sourced

at WSB Laguna Seca...
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Adapting the LED to center inside the existing housing requires some
mild fabrication but you're good at it and you don't mind the hours of
work because it feels like therapy tricking out your baby...
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Behold LED tail lights...
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Hit the stop lights and now you're really shinning.. in fact the
intensity hurts the eye...
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#30

You will need a diode kit for LED turn signals if the lights share their ground.  If you don't your turn signals may act like flashers and both light up when you hit the turn signal switch

 
Do you know if our bikes turn signals are that way?
Sorry... I haven't done this mod on the VFR. My old Yamaha shared a ground that went through the dash indicator bulb that needed a diode to keep bleed through voltage from illuminating the other turn signal, not a problem with regular bulbs but it was with the low power LEDs. The VFR with individual dash indicator lights may not need this. Hopefully, someone who has done this mod will chime in...
#31

Thanks, Rush. If I understand what it says in the description of the diode correctly, it would not be needed since our bikes have 2 indicator lights in the instrument cluster.   :comp13:


#32

BusyLittleShop does very good work! 


#35

Thanks, MarantzManiac.

Is there any problem with heat with these? Stock bulbs are 5 watt. These are 25 watt.


#36

Fleabay doesn't ship down under. :(


#37

I just did this tail lamp conversion to LED with the lamps that the OP suggested.  I found them to be very bright.   It is hard to quantify, but I do believe they are brighter.   My main reason for conversion was for reliability and long bulb life.

I found it worth my time to just remove the tail section to install them.   It was impossible for me to get the lower bulb installed with everything assembled.  The LED lamp were just long enough to make it impossible for me to accomplish with the tail in place. (6th Gen)


#39

FWIW...I very much like mine. I feel abit safer since they are so bright. I also did the turn signals & a few in the instrument cluster. I was planning to remove the tail section but did manage to twist & turn my hand & arm & get all 4 done with it in place. It would have been alot easier with it removed though. I'm just too stubborn sometimes to do things the easy way when it requires more work,

Does the 6th Gen have the tail light bulbs arranged one above the other & not side by side like with the 5th Gen?


#40

Does the 6th Gen have the tail light bulbs arranged one above the other & not side by side like with the 5th Gen?

Yes, it does.


#41

Thanks, Rush. If I understand what it says in the description of the diode correctly, it would not be needed since our bikes have 2 indicator lights in the instrument cluster. :comp13:


Yeah, on bikes with a single indicator (the Ninja 250 is one example), the indicator's wires run to the positive wire of each side's turn signal. When the left blinker is on, the indicator's left wire is + and the right wire is -. When the right blinker is on, the right wire is + and the left wire is -. The relatively large amount of juice needed for incandescent bulbs keeps the other side from lighting up. When you switch to more efficient LEDs, the tiny bit of power coming through the indicator is enough to make the other side light up also. The diode kit allows both sides' blinkers to supply power to the indicator without feeding back into the other side (the Y wire has diodes for one-way power flow to the indicator bulb, and the black wire is to ground the bulb's other contact).

Because the power flows both ways in the stock setup depending on which blinker is on, this also means you can't replace the indicator's incandescent bulb with an LED, because its polarization would only allow it to work one way or the other, not both.

 

Thanks, MarantzManiac.
 
Is there any problem with heat with these? Stock bulbs are 5 watt. These are 25 watt.


7443 bulbs are 5W on the low (tail light) filament, but 21-25W on the high (brake light) filament.
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