Returning Rider: VFR 800 or 1200?

Hi there!

After 20 years off-bike, I've again been bitten by the bike bug. I blame it in part on some friends of ours, both of whom acquired sportbikes this year. One of them is the head of motorcycle safety for the state; if she sees cycling as relatively 'safe,' who am I to argue? In any case, I've taken out roughly half a dozen bikes to get a sense for what I like. These have included a BMW 2011 R1200R, a 2009 K1300GT, 2014 F800GT, Suzuki SV650S and Honda 2010 VFR1200F. Of all these, the naked BMW 1200 and the 'Veefalo' have felt the best; however, I prefer a faired bike in order to extend my riding season in Wisconsin. The R1200R has few decent aftermarket fairing options, IMO; that leaves the Veefalo and its predecessors.

A bit more: I'm 48, 5'8", 165#. My former ride was a salvage title Suzuki 1981 GS1100E that fell apart one too many times for my liking; losing an oilpan drain plug at 80+ MPH with a pillion onboard tends to make one skittish, especially if one torqued the bolt properly the morning of the ride. I'm also a trauma-certified ED/ICU RN, so I've seen the effects of crashing. Statistically, the greatest risk factors for crashing are 1) drinking and driving, 2) not wearing a helmet, 3) excessive speed, 4) as an older rider, driving too big/fast a bike for my skill set. Risk factors 1) and 2) will never be an issue for me; I don't drink enough to qualify and I just bought a new X-14 (stellar crash ratings and it fit better that anything else in the showroom; go figure). Boots, leathers and gloves are high on my to-do list, as is an airbag vest. I'm reading some awesome books on safe cycling, and will take every safe cycling/handling course I can find. 3) is almost certainly a given on occasion--this is a motorcycle we're talking here, not a moped. 4) is a worry--I wish I liked the F800 or the SV650 for that reason. The F800 is too 'buzzy' a ride; the SV suffers an engine feel/note I dislike and very vague shifting feel. Both are otherwise lovely bikes that sip petrol, are nimble, light and easy to handle. Color me annoyed.

So a bigger bike it is? I tried the K1300GT as substitute for the lighter, more powerful K1300S; the sensitive throttle and unbelievable power of the GT scared the pants off me. No to the I-4 1300, then! Since I'm looking for a generalist bike that can commute, tour, maybe even play in the twisties, a salesperson steered me to a V1200. It felt awesome; the CofG is down low, the throttle relatively gentle until 5K RPM or so, then wickedly fast; handling feels intuitive, braking predictable and easy, with minimal brake dive from 40-mph panic stops. ABS is relatively unobtrusive. Stability is decent at 5 mph and, well...let's just say it has really nice high-speed stability, shall we? I like the gearbox--shifts are very solid and definite, much like my old GS1100. The seat's a bit slippery, and I've read a lot about the subpar suspension, poor fueling in 1st and 2nd, minimal range and anemic exhaust note below 5K. The windshield could be higher, and Wisconsin autumns demand heated grips/seat. That notwithstanding, it felt really good during the twenty minutes or so that I got to ride it.

So why haven't I bought it already? Let's return to the advice I've heard about returning riders, urging them to start on something smaller, something more forgiving. The VFR1200 feels good, but it's 593# and has 174 hp. It's gentle below 5K rpm, but 5-10K rpm are very, very quick indeed. Whether I drop it or an 800 or a 650 in the driveway is moot; all will be faired, all will have sliders everywhere I can put them to mitigate effects of the obligatory drop. That being said, I like the feel of the motor, smooth yet vibey, and the sound it makes once the exhaust valve opens. But is it too much bike for me? Would a 5th-gen VFR800 (still a heavy, fast bike) be a better overall choice for me at this juncture?

Anybody that wants to opine, please chime in. I'm interested to hear from people who ride both these bikes. In the meantime, I'm looking for a 5th-gen VFR to try out.

Go ride a 5th gen and you will know.

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I currently ride a 6th & 7th Gen and previously had the 5th & 6th Gens together.

The only thing I would say is; you are the only one who knows whether you can control your right wrist and therefore your speed and what trouble you may get yourself into. You've had big bikes before, so make the decision yourself. 

After the 1200, the 800 feels very slow (because it is). 

Before this turns into another heated  800 vs 1200 discussion, let me get my 2 cents in.

It's been 20 years since you last rode?  You have experience with treating motorcycle related accidents.  One of the things you mentioned that contribute to that were excessive speed and riding beyond the given skill level.  These all apply whether you get an 800 or a 1200.

The 800 is capable of reaching 60 mph in a scant 3.5 seconds, and the quarter mile in 11.5 seconds.  The 1200 will do the same feat in about 2.7 seconds and the 1/4 mile under 10.  There are only a handful of SUPERCARS that can do that feat.  So that is the kind of performance you are going to deal with, and all controlled by your wrist and your brain.  The more power you have available, the faster that bike will accelerate and your capacity to make decisions very quickly must then match that capability.  The reason why veteran riders recommend newbies (and you are definitely a newbie) to get a less powerful bike is for the same exact reasons I mentioned.  Both the 800 and the 1200 will cover distance very quickly, but it is MUCH EASIER for the 1200 to do that.  Can you handle a decreasing radius turn with a posted speed limit of 15 mph coming at you fast while you're moving at 45 mph?  How quickly can you make the right call when faced with a situation that is evolving quickly in front of you?  Only you can answer that.  Yes it is true that your wrist is under your control.  But you are only human maybe after 3 months you will feel overly confident and you will twist the throttle more and then you will face a rapidly evolving chain of events.  In my opinion, a less powerful bike will give you SOME pause...enough to not pull out to pass that moment, not carry too much speed to the next corner....maybe that will be the deciding factor for you to not crash?  You won't know that until you are in THAT moment.

As far as performance is concerned, let me make one thing perfectly clear:  BOTH the 800 and 1200 are fast.  The 1200 is just faster in a straight line AND it is easier to make it go fast.  The word "slow" does not apply to either bike.  Even a CBR300RR accelerates to 60 mph in 5 seconds.  That's NOT slow.  A Fiat 500 is slow (0-60 in 10 seconds).

Rogue_Biker Before this turns into another heated  800 vs 1200 discussion, let me get my 2 cents in.

 

It's been 20 years since you last rode?  You have experience with treating motorcycle related accidents.  One of the things you mentioned that contribute to that were excessive speed and riding beyond the given skill level.  These all apply whether you get an 800 or a 1200.

 

The 800 is capable of reaching 60 mph in a scant 3.5 seconds, and the quarter mile in 11.5 seconds.  The 1200 will do the same feat in about 2.7 seconds and the 1/4 mile under 10.  There are only a handful of SUPERCARS that can do that feat.  So that is the kind of performance you are going to deal with, and all controlled by your wrist and your brain.  The more power you have available, the faster that bike will accelerate and your capacity to make decisions very quickly must then match that capability.  The reason why veteran riders recommend newbies (and you are definitely a newbie) to get a less powerful bike is for the same exact reasons I mentioned.  Both the 800 and the 1200 will cover distance very quickly, but it is MUCH EASIER for the 1200 to do that.  Can you handle a decreasing radius turn with a posted speed limit of 15 mph coming at you fast while you're moving at 45 mph?  How quickly can you make the right call when faced with a situation that is evolving quickly in front of you?  Only you can answer that.  Yes it is true that your wrist is under your control.  But you are only human maybe after 3 months you will feel overly confident and you will twist the throttle more and then you will face a rapidly evolving chain of events.  In my opinion, a less powerful bike will give you SOME pause...enough to not pull out to pass that moment, not carry too much speed to the next corner....maybe that will be the deciding factor for you to not crash?  You won't know that until you are in THAT moment.

 

As far as performance is concerned, let me make one thing perfectly clear:  BOTH the 800 and 1200 are fast.  The 1200 is just faster in a straight line AND it is easier to make it go fast.  The word "slow" does not apply to either bike.  Even a CBR300RR accelerates to 60 mph in 5 seconds.  That's NOT slow.  A Fiat 500 is slow (0-60 in 10 seconds).

And Dutchy, Skids, thanks for your input, too.

Have owned a 5th gen for 18 yrs. Fantastic bike. Fine for occasional two up touring too. I have never owned a 7th gen but have seen them ridden up very tight and twisted roads which impressed me enough to consider it in the future. I love that I can get nearly 200 miles between fill ups on the 5th gen though. Never felt it lacked real word power. I get less police attention on it than the liter bikes I have owned. I am also considering the new 8th gen because of the great milage. 133k miles of faithful service. Great bike for sure.

Glad you are in the search, MsRN. I have owned two VFR's now since 2005. I bought the 5th gen as my first bike ever. I liked it's looks, sound, feel and comfort. I didn't get the 6th gen at the time because it was new and cost a fortune(in my view) I am not possessed of a need for speed (except from time to time). I have always been more a tourer than a racer. I rode the 5th gen from Ga to Quebec and back on my epic ride of  2010, "Wrestler's Ride: A Travel Log" and Poncho's "Lost Behind Enemy Lines". Other than a battery incident which made the trip truly epic, it really served me well. In 2011 I sold the 5th gen to purchase my hearts desire, my 2005 Italian Red 6th gen which I got for the very immoral price of $4500 because its former owner wanted a BMW. 

To the point here, I have been more than satisfied with the speed, handling, economy, and looks of my  05.  The 5th gen is still making its new owner smile and I can't be more satisfied with my Italian Red companion. I still haven't taken it on an epic ride. No doubt the second will be as eventful as the first. I won't be lost again behind enemy lines.

I say there's no reason not to look at the 800. It's probably a much better candidate when you're getting back into motorcycling, not that the 1200 isn't a well balanced, quality machine.

MsRN98, you come off as very intelligent and sensible.  I think you will know what's right for you.  I recall a short article in Cycle World regarding what's the right bike for a prospective owner.  The article stated:  Whatever fits you best.  They were referring to not just physical size but riding abilities, intended purpose, etc.  They gave an example of, if you're 6'4" tall and weight 230 lbs, perhaps a CBR600RR isn't the right bike for you!  LOL!  And likewise if you're 5'6" tall and weigh 140 lbs., a BMW R1200GS may not be the right bike for you.  We're all very different after all.

I can only tell you what my own personal experience has been.  Prior to my VFR800, I had a Hayabusa 1300.  Physically, I can handle both size bikes fairly well.  Those who know me will also tell you I don't ride slow, but I CAN and do ride slow when I must.  I will say that owning a bike capable of 200 mph was like having a nuclear weapon at your disposal.  You don't have to use it but when you do it flattens everything!  LOL!  The Hayabusa's lasting impression on me was its explosive power in the midrange and on top.  When you asked for more power, it delivered it in spades, and the more you ask the more explosive that power became.  The faster you went, the faster the bike accelerated.  It felt limitless.  That kind of power tempted me all the time.  Moves I would not attempt on my VFR800, I would do on the 'Busa without any hesitation (and I got away with it too most times!).  I even toured on that bike and that didn't stop me from passing 5+ cars at a time!!  I can't believe I survived!  LOL!  I did have quite a few speeding tickets to show for it.  I had the Busa and the VFR800 at the same time, and I admit to preferring the VFR800 for its more friendly ergonomics.  But when I rode for fun, I always chose the Busa simply because I felt invincible on it.  I don't have the Busa any more.  I replaced it with ever lighter sportbikes of lesser power.  And I rarely if ever wished for its power simply because, my 800 feels plenty fast for me.  I also have a CBR600RR and it is FASTER than my 800 and a whole lot lighter.

I guess the bigger question you might be wondering is, do I wish I had a VFR1200 versus my VFR800.  The true answer is:  I would rather have the 2014-2016 VFR800!  LOL!  That's the honest answer. Simply because the 800 fits me better and I prefer the way the 800's look.  It gives me what I need and want all in one package.  Nothing excessive.  If I wanted to go faster, I have my CBR600RR.  But believe me when I say, when I crack the whip, my VFR800 will do triple digits in a few heartbeats too.

Rogue_Biker MsRN98, you come off as very intelligent and sensible.  I think you will know what's right for you.  I recall a short article in Cycle World regarding what's the right bike for a prospective owner.  The article stated:  Whatever fits you best.  They were referring to not just physical size but riding abilities, intended purpose, etc.  They gave an example of, if you're 6'4" tall and weight 230 lbs, perhaps a CBR600RR isn't the right bike for you!  LOL!  And likewise if you're 5'6" tall and weigh 140 lbs., a BMW R1200GS may not be the right bike for you.  We're all very different after all.

 

I can only tell you what my own personal experience has been.  Prior to my VFR800, I had a Hayabusa 1300.  Physically, I can handle both size bikes fairly well.  Those who know me will also tell you I don't ride slow, but I CAN and do ride slow when I must.  I will say that owning a bike capable of 200 mph was like having a nuclear weapon at your disposal.  You don't have to use it but when you do it flattens everything!  LOL!  The Hayabusa's lasting impression on me was its explosive power in the midrange and on top.  When you asked for more power, it delivered it in spades, and the more you ask the more explosive that power became.  The faster you went, the faster the bike accelerated.  It felt limitless.  That kind of power tempted me all the time.  Moves I would not attempt on my VFR800, I would do on the 'Busa without any hesitation (and I got away with it too most times!).  I even toured on that bike and that didn't stop me from passing 5+ cars at a time!!  I can't believe I survived!  LOL!  I did have quite a few speeding tickets to show for it.  I had the Busa and the VFR800 at the same time, and I admit to preferring the VFR800 for its more friendly ergonomics.  But when I rode for fun, I always chose the Busa simply because I felt invincible on it.  I don't have the Busa any more.  I replaced it with ever lighter sportbikes of lesser power.  And I rarely if ever wished for its power simply because, my 800 feels plenty fast for me.  I also have a CBR600RR and it is FASTER than my 800 and a whole lot lighter.

 

I guess the bigger question you might be wondering is, do I wish I had a VFR1200 versus my VFR800.  The true answer is:  I would rather have the 2014-2016 VFR800!  LOL!  That's the honest answer. Simply because the 800 fits me better and I prefer the way the 800's look.  It gives me what I need and want all in one package.  Nothing excessive.  If I wanted to go faster, I have my CBR600RR.  But believe me when I say, when I crack the whip, my VFR800 will do triple digits in a few heartbeats too.

 

 

Given the choice, get the newest model.  You can't go wrong with an 8th Gen.  It is the quintessential modern VFR800 and it needs nothing to be perfect in my opinion.   

If you choose a 6th Gen, again, get the newest example and the lowest mileage.  Starting in 2006, Honda made a slight revision to the 6th Gen with a lower VTEC threshold and smoother transition.  It also got clear turn signals and bold new colors (LOL!).  But I would not turn down any year 6th Gen if it's not beaten to death.  Knowing what I know about my 6th Gen and other owners of 6th Gen, the Power Commander 5 is a MUST to get THE smoothest VTEC transition AND the smoothest throttle response.  A PC5 can be had for $270 and it takes 20 minutes to install.  It's plug and play.  Mine is set up with a PC5 as the ONLY engine modification and it has a very, very smooth transition in VTEC.  And I love the way it looks with that under tail exhaust!  The only other modification I did to mine was the suspension but only because I ride it like a sportbike.        

If you get a 5th Gen, the same rule applies (newest, lowest mileage),  I personally know people (VFRD Members) who got the cleanest 5th Gen bikes around (they're like new).  There's no need for a Power Commander on the 5th Gen because this generation did not have to meet the stringent emissions standard that the 6th Gen was required to do.  Although I highly recommend finding a low, low mileage example because these bikes are pretty advanced in years. 

Skip the CBR650F.  Nice bikes.  But it's just too much like a VFR, and if I were given a choice to get a new CBR650F and a low mileage 5th/6th Gen, I wouldn't hesitate to get the VFR's.  Check out these two perfect examples of what you can get out there. These are recent photos:

One of our new members here just got this pristine 2002 model with 32k miles (red bike).  Check out the paint and finish....like new.

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Another member got this 1998 model from Ebay with super low mileage.  Like new!

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The only thing I have to add to Rogue_Biker's post is...

1: 5th generation 98/99 models are probably more desirable, at least to me. No cat converters nor wax units. I think the 00/01's have O2 sensors as well - which are not desirable.

2: 2002-2005's are amazingly cheap right now. I picked up a 2002 for $2400, a friend paid $2700 or so for a 2002. Both have 32-36k on the clock, and were in solid shape. The main difference for the 02-05 models is VTEC engagement is at 6800rpm, while 06+ has it at 6400rpm. It was moved down 400rpm to tame the transition a bit with the stock tune, and to potentially help keep the bike in the VTEC engagement zone easier during sporty riding.

Oh yea, I also don't have any "VTEC issues". It performs as Honda designed, and is predictable. If you want a slightly smoother transition, a PC5 smooths it out as noted.

Rogue_Biker took this lovely pic of my $2400 investment. I've changed some fluids, going to put new tires on, and that'll be it. No major dings or scratches to note (scuff on the rear cowl where a boot caught it, but alas). Valve check had been performed @ 32k. Good to go!

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Wow! So much for worries about Gen 6 bikes. In easy driving distance I find the following:

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'04 with 27K--asking $3500 OBO

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'02 with 7K--asking $3950

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'07 with 18K--asking $4000 OBO

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'00 with 24K--asking $3000

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'06 with 16K--asking $3000

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'03 with 13.5K miles, Power Commander V, PC Auto tuner, Sargent seat, heated grips--$3800

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'04 with 13K miles--$4650. This fellow just paid (I'm guessing) for his daughter's wedding; I think the price is high accordingly. Still, the graphics are striking, if not to my taste. I'll bet it turns heads, though!

My guess is that the '03 is the best value, followed by the '06 (on which I'm most likely to get hit, but it's 15 minutes from me). The '07 would match my new helmet (X-14 'Bradley') nicely. The '00 is a very noticeable, cheery color, and lacks emissions controls.

Any thoughts?

That black 04 w/ 27k for $3500 with bags catches my attention. The color is desirable, and it already has hard bags.

The 06 w/ 16k for $3k that's also black is notable. Newer year with lower miles, not a bad thing.

The 00 is nice, some love the yellow, some hate it. Only year it was available. Has the 5th gen gear whine some love (and some hate)

OMG!  Low miles and low prices!!!

'03 with 13.5k miles.

'02 with 7k miles.  That's practically a new bike!

However, I'm partial to the RWB '07 too!

The '00, '03, '04 and '06 are all within 90 minutes' drive; the '02 and '07 are more like 4-5 hours. Thtanner--why is black a desirable color? Isn't it statistically more likely to be in a crash, as it doesn't catch the eye ? Silver, red, yellow and RWB seem more likely to be noticed by other drivers. And yes, Rogue_Biker, that '07 is quite pretty.

I didn't see it mentioned that 2006 and up had a revised wiring harness to address some of the electrical issues that '05 and earlier had.  It's worth asking an owner of an '02 through '05 if they've had the wiring harness recall done.  If they don't know, the VIN number can be run to find out.   If not, a call to the nearest dealer to find out the status of getting a revised harness in might be a good idea.   Also, on 2002's the original stator / rotor combo was smaller than later units  - so if that has not been addressed a fried stator (that never happens on 6th gens, does it?   :ph34r: )  will also mean a new rotor to go with it.  Not that any of that makes them less desirable, but it does give one some bargaining leverage if those items have not been addressed. 

I didn't notice any of the 6th gens having ABS.  That might be worth considering as well. 

I have to chime in that the Cosmic Black 2006 color is really stunning in sunlight - it has a good deal of metallic in it.  I don't know how Honda pulled it off - but it's beautiful.  At those prices you can't go wrong with any of them if they've been cared for. 

1 hour ago, MsRN98

The '00, '03, '04 and '06 are all within 90 minutes' drive; the '02 and '07 are more like 4-5 hours. Thtanner--why is black a desirable color? Isn't it statistically more likely to be in a crash, as it doesn't catch the eye ? Silver, red, yellow and RWB seem more likely to be noticed by other drivers. And yes, Rogue_Biker, that '07 is quite pretty.

Less black 6th gens exist, and everyone loves black! I don't think drivers would see you better even if the bike was neon green and had flashing lights. They're all blind I tell ya!

Cogswell I didn't see it mentioned that 2006 and up had a revised wiring harness to address some of the electrical issues that '05 and earlier had.  It's worth asking an owner of an '02 through '05 if they've had the wiring harness recall done.  If they don't know, the VIN number can be run to find out.   If not, a call to the nearest dealer to find out the status of getting a revised harness in might be a good idea.   Also, on 2002's the original stator / rotor combo was smaller than later units  - so if that has not been addressed a fried stator (that never happens on 6th gens, does it?   ph34r.png )  will also mean a new rotor to go with it.  Not that any of that makes them less desirable, but it does give one some bargaining leverage if those items have not been addressed. 

 

I didn't notice any of the 6th gens having ABS.  That might be worth considering as well. 

 

I have to chime in that the Cosmic Black 2006 color is really stunning in sunlight - it has a good deal of metallic in it.  I don't know how Honda pulled it off - but it's beautiful.  At those prices you can't go wrong with any of them if they've been cared for. 

 

thtanner  

Less black 6th gens exist, and everyone loves black! I don't think drivers would see you better even if the bike was neon green and had flashing lights. They're all blind I tell ya!

Wear high vis gear; riders are more in the eye-line of drivers than our bikes.

I love everything about the 6th gen except the vtec and the fact it hasn't got the gear driven cams, keep looking till you find a good 5th gen is my advice.

Saoirse32 I love everything about the 6th gen except the vtec and the fact it hasn't got the gear driven cams, keep looking till you find a good 5th gen is my advice.

Saoirse32 I have ridden both the 98-99 models and the 00-01 which I have now that has the 02 sensors/cat etc. I see no difference,but I'm not an expert!! the bike is capable of way more than I am, I like the way the 00-01 hasn't got the 'choke' lever, you just start her up and she settles herself down when she is warmed up,I also prefer the mirrors on the 00-01, they haven't got that rubber condom type thing that the 98-99 has, not sure if the new mirrors can be fitted on the 98-99 model, they probably can.

I just couldn't live with the vtec transition on the 6th gen I had for a short time, it may have been particularly bad on that bike though,I'm sure the power commander and the later 06 on bikes are better, but I just hated it,so many twisty roads here, you'd be mid corner accelerating and this damn kick in power would come in, I spent more time thinking about the rev counter than the road, trying to keep her either above or below 6800 rpm, as I say I'm no expert rider, but for me it was too much trouble for what it was worth, like having a great looking girlfriend who drives you mad every time you take her out LOL.

Saoirse is Irish for freedom,you can work out the rest yourself.

A bit of web browsing filled in the gaps regarding Saoirse32. Are you micheailin then? Or do the blog and Twitter handle belong to someone else? Interesting reading--my knowledge of history is woefully inadequate.

As for Saoirse in general, I've heard it used as a name at least twice. Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for your advice!

thtanner The only thing I have to add to Rogue_Biker's post is...

1: 5th generation 98/99 models are probably more desirable, at least to me. No cat converters nor wax units. I think the 00/01's have O2 sensors as well - which are not desirable.

Dated? I'm going to guess you're younger, Saoirse. Poodle skirts are dated. Big hair, electric blue eye shadow, leg warmers are dated (until they become 'fashionable' again--ugh). My 120-year-old wedding ring has history and gravitas; it's filigreed, Belcher-cut rose gold set with a smoky claret-hued garnet--graceful, beautiful and timeless. Until petrol runs out and bikes all run on battery, very few can be considered dated, IMO. Classic, perhaps; beautiful or fugly depending on your perspective. Many are still going strong after almost 20 years; that's durability, longevity and reliability exemplified. New is nice, but I often like old things even better.

More food for thought for you MsRN98.  [really more of my opinionated bias]

I'm excited for you and the journey you're about to embark on!

No matter if you get a 5th, 6th, or 7th gen VFR, they're only a step or two away from feeling and looking "like new".  These bikes are built by Honda to last and they build them to be robust, yet they didn't forget their primary mission:  they are high performance sport bikes.  From my own personal experience, and what I've seen others do, simply giving them a proper tune up, replace worn out parts, fine tuning the controls, a thorough cleaning inside and out, a refresh of their suspension, and a few key upgrades, and suddenly they feel new and perform to today's standards.  In all honesty, what is the difference between a 1998 versus a 2014?  Except the year of manufacture, not a whole lot.  And that gap in performance can easily be made up.  As far aesthetics, making a bike look like new is just paint and finish.

Having said that, I'm just partial to the look of the 6th Gen about as equally as I like the 8th gen.  The 5th Gen is old school.  The 6th Gen is old-NEW school. and the 8th Gen is the latest and greatest (LED lights, narrower, super refined, back to the low slung exhaust, electronic aids, etc.).  My source of enjoyment on any of my bikes is the performance, refinement, and looks (including fit and finish).  I've had exotic bikes and I enjoyed riding and staring at them but their various eccentricities and maintenance requirements eventually irritated me.  I came to the realization that I prefer refinement, smoothness, finesse, reliability, and longevity (in addition to looks).  That's why I prefer Honda's because their school of thought fits right in with mine.

So my recommendation to you is, if you buy any of these previous generation bikes, start with the basics of having fresh wear items, (tires, brakes, ALL fluids, chain and sprockets, air cleaner, spark plugs), along with fine tuning the control adjustments.  These alone will make a difference (sometimes a lot).  If you get a 6th Gen, first upgrade is the PC5.  Nuff said.    

9 hours ago, Saoirse32

I just couldn't live with the vtec transition on the 6th gen I had for a short time, it may have been particularly bad on that bike though,I'm sure the power commander and the later 06 on bikes are better, but I just hated it,so many twisty roads here, you'd be mid corner accelerating and this damn kick in power would come in, I spent more time thinking about the rev counter than the road, trying to keep her either above or below 6800 rpm, as I say I'm no expert rider, but for me it was too much trouble for what it was worth, like having a great looking girlfriend who drives you mad every time you take her out LOL.

My 6th Gen is a smoking hot girlfriend that I tamed with a Power Commander 5.

LOL!

The "kick in power" you described is due to the lean fueling that occurs with the stock tuning, which occurs right BEFORE the VTEC transition.  This lean conditions will slow the bike down just before the VTEC hits and happens right at part throttle.  So the VTEC transition feels like a "kick" rather than a smooth transition.  It's pronounced when you gently roll the throttle open from closed or part throttle.  The only way to "tune" it out is to tell the ECU to quit trying to meet emissions standards! 

Go with the 800.

Geez. Reading these prices and comments I think I'll sell my 98 which became a project last month as is,

and buy another newer version. :unsure:

I currently own a vfr1200. The performance is simply amazing. Acceleration and braking are outstanding. At 50 years old I thought i would be able to behave with this much performance. I've always ridden big bore sport bikes so I have experience with mega power. I have realized that I cannot behave. When your reaching triple posted speed limits,it's an absolute rush. If you get caught your in big trouble,at least in Canada! I decided to put my bike up for sale,before i loose my licence, I've had a couple of close encounters with the police, and i can't afford to push my luck anymore. The 1200 will definetly will impress you in the performance category,...but you'll need to control your wrist, Triple digits are effortless on the 1200

motorn I currently own a vfr1200. The performance is simply amazing. Acceleration and braking are outstanding. At 50 years old I thought i would be able to behave with this much performance. I've always ridden big bore sport bikes so I have experience with mega power. I have realized that I cannot behave. When your reaching triple posted speed limits,it's an absolute rush. If you get caught your in big trouble,at least in Canada! I decided to put my bike up for sale,before i loose my licence, I've had a couple of close encounters with the police, and i can't afford to push my luck anymore. The 1200 will definetly will impress you in the performance category,...but you'll need to control your wrist, Triple digits are effortless on the 1200

22 hours ago, MsRN98

Thanks, Cogswell!

The '06 in Cosmic Black is a 20-minute drive from my house. With that price and low miles, it's a good buy. Since I need to ride an 800 first and see if I like it, this seems a good first option to investigate. If I do like it, how do I dress up black to be noticeable without being an eyesore?

And you're right--'06 has ABS as an option; that's worth considering. Thanks!

I've seen several  '06's in person - IMO they don't need much dressing up!  If I had one I might do something with the wheels - polish them, or go a light gold or silver - something to contrast a bit more with the black.   I'm a fan of Honda's Blackbird in black too.  I've never seen many owners do much with those, either - they just look great right from the factory!  Only $3,000 for that one - if everything checks out and the plastic is nice,  it's a steal! 

A few updates: I've contacted the owners of the galaxy black '06, the silver '03, and a 'stock' '98 ('00 mirrors).

First, the '06. The only concession to mods is a Delkevic exhaust; he wants $3000 and is only selling because of legal trouble; he says he'll probably buy another VFR once he's again solvent. We texted each other, as I have a migraine tonight and talking isn't pleasant for me right now. My only concern: he asked what bikes I've previously ridden, then whether all of them had stock exhaust, then whether or not I was a girl. I answered all but the last, as the question really bothered me (creeped me out, actually); if I can 'control' and flat-foot a K1300GT (all but the rocket-like acceleration, that is), what makes him think a VFR800 is too much bike, whatever my sex? I'll still go ride the bike, likely, but it bothers me

Okay, on to the 2003, which--in addition to heated grips, raised bars, Sargent saddle, Power Commander V, PC Controller, taller windscreen and gutted mufflers (but cats still intact)--has ABS and color-matched hard luggage to boot. Current owner has had for 3 yrs and 3K miles, having bought it used from a dealer. He has no idea about the wiring harness recall. Time to research prices on replacement harnesses. The mufflers mods ("professionally re-welded") concern me; he was vague about his reasons for gutting them. I assume it was to improve the exhaust note?

Finally, the '98. I had an extended text conversation with the current owner, who has put 25,500 miles on the bike in the 15 years he's owned it. He bought it from a septuagenarian who said it hurt his knees (uh-huh) and went on to buy a Super Blackbird. It currently has 27K miles, Givi rack, two tank bras and comes with full Hein Gericke leathers for $3500--always garaged and warm storage. Besides what looks to be a tank slapper on the right (there when he bought it), the bike is--for all intents and purposes--spotless. I am sorely tempted--the Gericke jacket may fit me (he's a smaller man), though the pants most certainly won't, and I know a good dent repair guy. A pic of the bike:


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Any thoughts?

Cogswell  

I've seen several  '06's in person - IMO they don't need much dressing up!  If I had one I might do something with the wheels - polish them, or go a light gold or silver - something to contrast a bit more with the black.   I'm a fan of Honda's Blackbird in black too.  I've never seen many owners do much with those, either - they just look great right from the factory!  Only $3,000 for that one - if everything checks out and the plastic is nice,  it's a steal! 

Saoirse32 That's your bike right there, if it checks out ok buy it. make sure the stat is ok and that the reg/rec is ok, a good de baffled end can on that machine and she'll roar like a lion. the fact that the man has had her a long time is a good sign,likely looked after her well. you can negotiate the price without the leathers,dent repair etc.

the fella with the 06 does sound a bit strange, maybe best avoided.

12 hours ago, MsRN98

A few updates: I've contacted the owners of the galaxy black '06, the silver '03, and a 'stock' '98 ('00 mirrors).

First, the '06. The only concession to mods is a Delkevic exhaust; he wants $3000 and is only selling because of legal trouble; he says he'll probably buy another VFR once he's again solvent. We texted each other, as I have a migraine tonight and talking isn't pleasant for me right now. My only concern: he asked what bikes I've previously ridden, then whether all of them had stock exhaust, then whether or not I was a girl. I answered all but the last, as the question really bothered me (creeped me out, actually); if I can 'control' and flat-foot a K1300GT (all but the rocket-like acceleration, that is), what makes him think a VFR800 is too much bike, whatever my sex? I'll still go ride the bike, likely, but it bothers me

Okay, on to the 2003, which--in addition to heated grips, raised bars, Sargent saddle, Power Commander V, PC Controller, taller windscreen and gutted mufflers (but cats still intact)--has ABS and color-matched hard luggage to boot. Current owner has had for 3 yrs and 3K miles, having bought it used from a dealer. He has no idea about the wiring harness recall. Time to research prices on replacement harnesses. The mufflers mods ("professionally re-welded") concern me; he was vague about his reasons for gutting them. I assume it was to improve the exhaust note?

Finally, the '98. I had an extended text conversation with the current owner, who has put 25,500 miles on the bike in the 15 years he's owned it. He bought it from a septuagenarian who said it hurt his knees (uh-huh) and went on to buy a Super Blackbird. It currently has 27K miles, Givi rack, two tank bras and comes with full Hein Gericke leathers for $3500--always garaged and warm storage. Besides what looks to be a tank slapper on the right (there when he bought it), the bike is--for all intents and purposes--spotless. I am sorely tempted--the Gericke jacket may fit me (he's a smaller man), though the pants most certainly won't, and I know a good dent repair guy. A pic of the bike:

Any thoughts?

MsRN98, not sure what the owner of the '06 was thinking by asking you those questions, especially regarding gender.  He should be happy you are interested in buying his bike!

The modified '03 sounds interesting.  It appears to have everything one could want already.  The gutted stock exhaust gives it a very deep V4 rumble that I think sounds REALLY good.  Some owners prefer the look of the stock exhaust but just want a nicer exhaust note.  The stock exhaust note is pretty quiet, but they do sound very good on their own.

Given those three choices I personally would still go for the newest, and you already know I'm biased towards the looks of the 6th Gen. Galaxy black is a rare color in the US too.  Very nice.

Saoirse32 Test ride it, you'll be smitten LOL. and it's the right colour,  though the green one I have with gold wheels is an eye catcher and looks great I think,bit unusual as well.

don't think you got the green over there,think they did in Canada though.

 

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Saw a nice 5th gen in VFRD classified. $2800 similar miles staintune hi mount pipe and some nice cosmetic mods.

Let me add. I rode my highly modded 5th gen back to back with a 6th gen and have to say I was impressed. Even enjoyed the V  Tech power bump. They are great bikes.

Both are beautiful bikes, Saoirse32! I've a little trouble seeing the green of the bike against those amazing backgrounds, though!

Is that a Givi V56 case on the back of Saoirse?

Saoirse32 That's an E55, I have a V46 on her now though, the 55 was a bit much, also have the pannier rails and e360n cases for touring, haven't needed them yet though, tank bag and a waterproof duffle on the passenger seat does me travelling solo,and I can still lock the helmet on at food stops etc.

The scenery and the fresh Atlantic air around here are brilliant, not much traffic and some great roads. she's a really dark green,looks black at times almost. next thing I'd like to do is upgrade the suspension, change the fork oil at least.

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Since I can't try out the '06 until Monday evening, and the '98 on Tuesday morning (and the '03 the following weekend), I'm looking at protective gear; my old, non-armored leather jacket, blue jeans and regular boots just won't cut it. Tried on some boots; Alpinestars fit best so far. Also tried Klim textiles and an Alpinestars leather jacket that feels and looks really nice; plus it's on sale! Debating what I really ought to buy versus what's inexpensive. I assume you wear full gear?

I own a '98, sold my 2007 RWB this summer, and picked up a 2010 VFR1200 a month ago.  The stock suspension was superior on the 07 when compared to the '98, but the '98 engine definitely feels smoother, got better mileage, and sounds much better.  I loved the colors on the '07, but I just liked the engine on the '98 so much more.

I only have about 400 miles on the VFR1200, but here are my thoughts: The machine is deceptively fast. I found myself coming into corners at a much higher speed than on my 800.  If it wasn't for the absolutely amazing brakes on the 1200 (standard ABS), I might have been in trouble. They are great.

The range on the 800 is far better. I average about 44 mpg with the 800, and have been getting 37 mpg so far with the 1200.  I can routinely go over 200 miles between fill ups on the 800, and the fuel light begins blinking at me at around 130 miles with the 1200. This may be an issue for you if you don't like stopping.

The suspension is on the soft side for me on both bikes, but the 1200 suspension feels superior. It would be worthwhile to upgrade both bikes.

The sound is no contest.  The '98 is in my opinion, the pinnacle of motorcycle sound.  The 1200 sounds OK, but really not that inspiring.

I prefer the hard bags on the 1200 for travelling, but prefer the 800 for carving corners in SW Wisconsin.

They both are great bikes.  Are you going to be more of a long trip guy or a shorter trip corner carver?

MsRN98, 9/20/2016 at 10:14 PM

A few updates: I've contacted the owners of the galaxy black '06, the silver '03, and a 'stock' '98 ('00 mirrors).

First, the '06. The only concession to mods is a Delkevic exhaust; he wants $3000 and is only selling because of legal trouble; he says he'll probably buy another VFR once he's again solvent. We texted each other, as I have a migraine tonight and talking isn't pleasant for me right now. My only concern: he asked what bikes I've previously ridden, then whether all of them had stock exhaust, then whether or not I was a girl. I answered all but the last, as the question really bothered me (creeped me out, actually); if I can 'control' and flat-foot a K1300GT (all but the rocket-like acceleration, that is), what makes him think a VFR800 is too much bike, whatever my sex? I'll still go ride the bike, likely, but it bothers me

Okay, on to the 2003, which--in addition to heated grips, raised bars, Sargent saddle, Power Commander V, PC Controller, taller windscreen and gutted mufflers (but cats still intact)--has ABS and color-matched hard luggage to boot. Current owner has had for 3 yrs and 3K miles, having bought it used from a dealer. He has no idea about the wiring harness recall. Time to research prices on replacement harnesses. The mufflers mods ("professionally re-welded") concern me; he was vague about his reasons for gutting them. I assume it was to improve the exhaust note?

Finally, the '98. I had an extended text conversation with the current owner, who has put 25,500 miles on the bike in the 15 years he's owned it. He bought it from a septuagenarian who said it hurt his knees (uh-huh) and went on to buy a Super Blackbird. It currently has 27K miles, Givi rack, two tank bras and comes with full Hein Gericke leathers for $3500--always garaged and warm storage. Besides what looks to be a tank slapper on the right (there when he bought it), the bike is--for all intents and purposes--spotless. I am sorely tempted--the Gericke jacket may fit me (he's a smaller man), though the pants most certainly won't, and I know a good dent repair guy. A pic of the bike:




Any thoughts?

Hard to tell you which way to go.  The '03 sounds good to me because it's nicely modded.  He definitely gutted the stock exhausts for sound.  That is the cheap way to do it compared to buying aftermarket cans. 

Myself I couldn't go back to the 800 after having the 1200 in the garage.  It handles better, stops better, and so much faster.  Just because you have the power doesn't mean you have to wring its' neck.  The additional HP/TQ is great for corner exits and having more torque on a motorcycle is always beneficiary.  The 1200 is a very comfortable bike and the handling is absolutely insane.  Only at parking lot speed does it feel heavy.  Once it is moving it feels lighter than the 800.  I've stuffed that thing into some corners that I didn't know if I would make (late breaking, dodging road debris) and it shrugged it off.  It really is a complete motorcycle and everything fits well together.  Still marvel at how well it handles for the size and weight.  Only negative compared to the 800 is the exhaust note.  The 800 wins there, but that is the only place it does.

What kind of range does the 1200 get touring. What's lacking with the exhaust note?

I am loving the FZ1 right now but it needs a gas stop every 100 miles.

Depending on how you ride it, range is about 180 miles, though I've heard of people pulling 60 mpg from it. YMMV. The exhaust sounds like an asthmatic scooter until the valve opens at 6K RPM or so; I actually like it, as in city it's not too noisy. Over 6K RPM, it snarls nicely!

16 hours ago, luvtoleanit

Myself I couldn't go back to the 800 after having the 1200 in the garage.  It handles better, stops better, and so much faster.  Just because you have the power doesn't mean you have to wring its' neck.  The additional HP/TQ is great for corner exits and having more torque on a motorcycle is always beneficiary.  The 1200 is a very comfortable bike and the handling is absolutely insane.  Only at parking lot speed does it feel heavy.  Once it is moving it feels lighter than the 800.  I've stuffed that thing into some corners that I didn't know if I would make (late breaking, dodging road debris) and it shrugged it off.  It really is a complete motorcycle and everything fits well together.  Still marvel at how well it handles for the size and weight.  Only negative compared to the 800 is the exhaust note.  The 800 wins there, but that is the only place it does.

I would almost agree with you entirely. Everything my old 5th gen did my 7th gen does it better; far and away better. But there are times when I would give just about anything to ride my old '99 again. The engine of that bike is just phenomenal in almost every way. And yes, the exhaust note is the best I've ever heard come from a motorcycle.  But I have to be honest with myself, if I were to ever own another 5th gen it would only be for nostalgia because the 7th gen is just that good.

In regards to the exhaust note of the 1200, the DAM exhaust is the only can I have heard that makes it sound respectable. I know, different strokes for different folks.

I guess Ignorance is Bliss.  I only know my 08 and I'm very happy with it.  I don't want to cheat on her with a younger bike. LOL. :beer:  

alwaysaware I guess Ignorance is Bliss.  I only know my 08 and I'm very happy with it.  I don't want to cheat on her with a younger bike. LOL. :beer:  

"Crotch Rocket" is more gender neutral.

Rogue_Biker "Crotch Rocket" is more gender neutral.

All in fun, Rogue_Biker; I meant to cause no offense, but perhaps I overshot my mark. It just struck me as interesting that we often use 'she' to refer to our vehicles, so I decided to turn that on its head for the fun of it. I apologize if I offended anyone. :)

MsRN98, I get offended by someone farting in my direction.  But only for a minute then I'm over it.  LOL!

Words in a forum....rarely!  My statement about crotch rockets was meant to be funny.  Although I do think the term fits very well. 

aahhh  political correctness......

I call motorcycles pussy magnets, but that is just me  :goofy:

Dutchy aahhh  political correctness......

 

I call motorcycles pussy magnets, but that is just me  :goofy:

All this PC talk and I just want to hear what happened at a test ride

Skids, 9/19/2016 at 7:00 AM

I currently ride a 6th & 7th Gen and previously had the 5th & 6th Gens together.

The only thing I would say is; you are the only one who knows whether you can control your right wrist and therefore your speed and what trouble you may get yourself into. You've had big bikes before, so make the decision yourself. 

After the 1200, the 800 feels very slow (because it is). 

Throttle is on the right.  Its more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.  I can't take credit for either of these two statements, but they both apply. 

Rogue_Biker, 9/19/2016 at 11:46 AM

Before this turns into another heated  800 vs 1200 discussion, let me get my 2 cents in.

It's been 20 years since you last rode?  You have experience with treating motorcycle related accidents.  One of the things you mentioned that contribute to that were excessive speed and riding beyond the given skill level.  These all apply whether you get an 800 or a 1200.

The 800 is capable of reaching 60 mph in a scant 3.5 seconds, and the quarter mile in 11.5 seconds.  The 1200 will do the same feat in about 2.7 seconds and the 1/4 mile under 10.  There are only a handful of SUPERCARS that can do that feat.  So that is the kind of performance you are going to deal with, and all controlled by your wrist and your brain.  The more power you have available, the faster that bike will accelerate and your capacity to make decisions very quickly must then match that capability.  The reason why veteran riders recommend newbies (and you are definitely a newbie) to get a less powerful bike is for the same exact reasons I mentioned.  Both the 800 and the 1200 will cover distance very quickly, but it is MUCH EASIER for the 1200 to do that.  Can you handle a decreasing radius turn with a posted speed limit of 15 mph coming at you fast while you're moving at 45 mph?  How quickly can you make the right call when faced with a situation that is evolving quickly in front of you?  Only you can answer that.  Yes it is true that your wrist is under your control.  But you are only human maybe after 3 months you will feel overly confident and you will twist the throttle more and then you will face a rapidly evolving chain of events.  In my opinion, a less powerful bike will give you SOME pause...enough to not pull out to pass that moment, not carry too much speed to the next corner....maybe that will be the deciding factor for you to not crash?  You won't know that until you are in THAT moment.

As far as performance is concerned, let me make one thing perfectly clear:  BOTH the 800 and 1200 are fast.  The 1200 is just faster in a straight line AND it is easier to make it go fast.  The word "slow" does not apply to either bike.  Even a CBR300RR accelerates to 60 mph in 5 seconds.  That's NOT slow.  A Fiat 500 is slow (0-60 in 10 seconds).

Along the same lines as above, find the right tool for the job.  If your roads are generally straight, you may need a "fast" bike to enjoy riding, but I lack experience in this type of "riding" to even comment. 

If you seek curves, pay more attention to rake/trail, suspension, and tires.  You will not be happy on a 10 year old bike on 6 year old tires that needs a suspension service / rebuild or that is not sprung for your weight or adjusted appropriately (sag, etc).  I would caution coming to some conclusions based on such anecdotal experiences since that may not be the norm for a properly setup machine.  I prefer my CB500X for the majority of riding due to light weight, comfort, and wind protection with aftermarket farkles (full fairing not needed).  It also instills a sense of personal responsibility that I don't find in the VFR.  I consider it my touring motard.

11 hours ago, Dutchy

aahhh  political correctness......

I call motorcycles pussy magnets, but that is just me  :goofy:

I have yet to find one woman attracted to my motorcycle.  Most try to take me away from it.  Maybe I hang out with the wrong women.

Sorry--we did go pretty far OT, didn't we? I have to wait until Monday to ride the '06, Tuesday the '98. News at 11.

Update on the '06: waited half an hour for the seller to show, then texted him. He replied that he sold the bike two hours before our meet time, and forgot to cancel. Putz.

Well, that sucks. It was a good bike for a fair price, but shame on the seller.

thtanner Well, that sucks. It was a good bike for a fair price, but shame on the seller.

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1 hour ago, MsRN98

Between that and all his questions--including about my sex--I expected a dog and pony show. The no-show was annoying, but it was the better show, IMO. Not that I don't like dogs or ponies...

Definitely a red flag. When I went with fellow forum member "ThePretender" to go look at a 2002 VFR800, the seller had insisted that the bike had ABS, even though I pointed out the missing rings, sensors, wires and remote preload shock. I even showed him what the shock looked like, as I have one in my 6 Gen. He was dismissive and basically said "I know this bike has ABS"  :pinocchio:

Rather a bad week for VFR test riding; after being stood up on Monday, weather was uncooperative Tuesday and Wednesday. Holding out for the weekend.

MsRN98, 9/19/2016 at 10:03 PM

Wow! 

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'03 with 13.5K miles, Power Commander V, PC Auto tuner, Sargent seat, heated grips--$3800
My guess is that the '03 is the best value, followed by the '06 
Any thoughts?

Actually the 03 listed above is an ABS model bike with low miles and some nice options which would make it number 1 in my book of listed offerings. 

Go check it out!

BR

Given that we're down to one vehicle at present, getting out to see these bikes has been challenging. I found two more that quire intrigue me: an '07 Anniversary Edition with hard luggage and 10K miles, dropped in driveway and repainted (quite well, it seems)--asking $4500; and a '00 with 20.5K miles in nice shape for $2K firm. If the '00 is for real, I think it's a steal. I've also not ruled out the '03 with ABS, though I like the colors on the '00 and '07 better.

That repaint is questionable imo..

I'm with you on the '00 or '03.

Pick your generation/poison!

Are the 5th gen decals easily removed, or is that side fairing a repaint as well? 

1 minute ago, CasualSwede

Are the 5th gen decals easily removed, or is that side fairing a repaint as well? 

I wouldn't say easily removed.

Fairing looks OEM based on the mounting holes/etc. 5th gen aftermarket Chinese plastics are fairly horrid and easy to spot if you know what you're looking for. 

thtanner  
I wouldn't say easily removed.
 
Fairing looks OEM based on the mounting holes/etc. 5th gen aftermarket Chinese plastics are fairly horrid and easy to spot if you know what you're looking for. 

Right front fork slider looks to have a little corrosion, but that's all the bad that I can see. My biggest problem is that the bike is 5-6 hours away; I can ride another '00 (43K miles) here, but I can't easily test ride the one with 20.5K. Owner seems honest and straightforward. Any reason I shouldn't consider the bike good if a Honda shop does a thorough pre-purchase inspection (my dime)?

Anyone in the Fort Wayne area and want to check out a '00 on my behalf? I'm having a local shop do a full pre-purchase inspection, including going over the wiring and charging system on Tuesday.

If the shop says it's fine and you can have the owner take a load of pictures at any angle you dictate, you should be fine!

thtanner If the shop says it's fine and you can have the owner take a load of pictures at any angle you dictate, you should be fine!

You have a good point...though I was expecting people to criticize my choice to buy a bike I haven't actually touched or ridden.

I was also reading about suspension mods and saw that Mr. Daugherty--whom many here swear by--is based in Fort Wayne. Too bad I don't yet have an opinion on the stock suspension!

Finally--haven't had the free time to drive an hour and a quarter to test ride an 800; too many projects at home right now, and my daughter is on local gymnastics and dance teams, so we're always busy. I did ride a K1200RS the other day-a bit top heavy, high miles, slightly grabby brakes and shifting from 2nd to 3rd only worked about half the time. But the motor was downright amazing, and the heated grips and cruise control were really nice, too. That said, for the weight (around 600#), the VFR 1200 is IMO a much better ride in almost all respects. Though I can understand why the K bike has its adherents--it's quite fun in its own right, and very fast!

21 hours ago, MsRN98

I was expecting people to criticize my choice to buy a bike I haven't actually touched or ridden.

That actually happens quite often! 

As for the suspension upgrade from Jamie D, it is totally worth every penny. It is absolutely amazing what that guy does at his price point. I really wish I could ride a 5th gen again with a proper suspension now that I am 130lbs lighter than when I owned mine. With a JD suspension and a good set of tires, the world is your oyster!

Okay...so I got the inspection results on the 2000 VFR. Reg/rec, battery and all other electronics check out fine. Plastics are OE and the bike shows no signs of crashing. Sprocket/chain are in good shape. Oil level is good and oil is clean. Brake pads F/R appear to be new; tires are like new though dated 2009 and 2011, so should be replaced. Fork seals are good, but uppers and lowers show pitting/rust; the mechanics impression is that the bike is in great shape overall, but may have sat for a while. Probably the fork will eventually need replacing, though the bike is safe to ride. Also had great things to say about Jamie Daugherty, with whom he works regularly. At my request, he said he'd ask Mr. Daugherty to take a look at the forks and give me a call with recommendations.

The upshot: I still like this bike. I think it deserves to be ridden and appreciated, both of which I can do. 20,400 miles on the clock. Seller is asking $2000 firm. Thoughts?

17 minutes ago, MsRN98

 Seller is asking $2000 firm. Thoughts?

So many bikes have been through so much.  You've had this one verified.  Buy it before the seller changes his mind . . . !  :)

10 hours ago, MsRN98

Okay...so I got the inspection results on the 2000 VFR. Reg/rec, battery and all other electronics check out fine. Plastics are OE and the bike shows no signs of crashing. Sprocket/chain are in good shape. Oil level is good and oil is clean. Brake pads F/R appear to be new; tires are like new though dated 2009 and 2011, so should be replaced. Fork seals are good, but uppers and lowers show pitting/rust; the mechanics impression is that the bike is in great shape overall, but may have sat for a while. Probably the fork will eventually need replacing, though the bike is safe to ride. Also had great things to say about Jamie Daugherty, with whom he works regularly. At my request, he said he'd ask Mr. Daugherty to take a look at the forks and give me a call with recommendations.

The upshot: I still like this bike. I think it deserves to be ridden and appreciated, both of which I can do. 20,400 miles on the clock. Seller is asking $2000 firm. Thoughts?

I'd buy it. Kinda surprised it's lasted this long!

Wonder what the air fare back east would be and what kind of weather would be on the ride back to Cali  :tongue:

thepretender Wonder what the air fare back east would be and what kind of weather would be on the ride back to Cali  tongue.png

money talks.....  :goofy:

Well, looks like we have consensus: I should grab it. Which is good, 'cause I plan to!

Next steps: fork will eventually need replacing--suggestions? And while the reg/rec is still good, I should replace it too, yes?

Based on what I hear I wouldn't immediately jump and spend any money on forks. Hold up. Wait til you see the bike, can see what kind of pitting is actually there. You'll be amazed at what some water and aluminum foil can do to rust spots that haven't pitted badly.

If you start getting leaks due to the pitting, then by all means, immediately replace them. Most likely, though, you can take your time to source a replacement set of forks and have them serviced by JD/setup 'for you' when the time is right.

A MOSFET kit is always a good upgrade, though. The FH020AA from roadstercycle.com is a winner in my books. You can find the r/r used on ebay (look for fz-09 regulator - used only not new ones) for cheap and just buy the connector kit from his site. Paid $35 for a FH020AA last week!

There are various posts that cover the installation, etc here I'm sure.

thtanner Based on what I hear I wouldn't immediately jump and spend any money on forks. Hold up. Wait til you see the bike, can see what kind of pitting is actually there. You'll be amazed at what some water and aluminum foil can do to rust spots that haven't pitted badly.
 
If you start getting leaks due to the pitting, then by all means, immediately replace them. Most likely, though, you can take your time to source a replacement set of forks and have them serviced by JD/setup 'for you' when the time is right.
 
A MOSFET kit is always a good upgrade, though. The FH020AA from roadstercycle.com is a winner in my books. You can find the r/r used on ebay (look for fz-09 regulator - used only not new ones) for cheap and just buy the connector kit from his site. Paid $35 for a FH020AA last week!
 
There are various posts that cover the installation, etc here I'm sure.

1 minute ago, MsRN98

Water and aluminum foil? This sounds intriguing--does it involve a blowtorch, too? If it does, it's essentially a thermite reaction in miniature.

I agree that new forks aren't an immediate need, though new tires are advisable. It seems VTEC forks are a popular substitute IIRC, yes?

And an FZ-09 regulator--wait, what--from Yamaha? Interesting....

Thanks for all the great advice, sir!

Well, Yamaha doesn't make the regulator. It's the same model regulator used in the common upgrade (sold for $99 on roadstercycle.com). The FZ-09 just employs the same exact part number, and lots of people wreck their 09, so it's a cheap source of good regulators! 

No torch, just wet the affected area and rub with a scrunched up ball of aluminum foil (keeping it wet). Works great on fork uppers/other chrome things.

I'd just reach out to JD and see what he'd do in regards to the eventual fork upgrade. Explain riding style, goals, weight, whatnot and I'm sure he'll know exactly what you'll need.

Can't say enough about Jamie's work.  It's transformative to the bike's handling.   Even if you spend money on the suspension upgrade, you'll be in to that bike for very little money and have a wonderful sport touring mount.  You are very lucky indeed! 

While you're at it with the R/R, an on-board voltmeter is an inexpensive upgrade that provides a lot of peace of mind.  There's a thread here someplace with a ton of ideas on mounting locations.   They're all over ebay or you can look at the Datel meter sold on WireMyBike.com. 

Although I haven't done the Aluminum foil and water trick on fork tubes, I have used ultra-fine grade wet/dry sand paper and '0000' grade steel wool before, the former did the trick for my friends forks. We used some WD-40 to "wet" the fork tubes. Any if the fore mentioned methods should be enough to get the fork tubes back in order. That is unless the rust/pitting is beyond that point. My guess is that they're salvageable.

+1 for DMr. Jamie has done the suspension upgrade on all three of my bikes. Very happy with the work he has done. The ROI is probably the best you will get out of any mod you do to the VFR.

I just bought a 2000 yellow recently, and have the super MOSFET kit and a bottle of dielectric grease in the mail today.  Soldering kit and a voltmeter already ordered (thanks for the reminder on that Duc2V4).

Bike has around 16k miles and nothing is wrong with my RR.  But figured I'd change it out just for peace of mind.

Still contemplating DMr suspension, but it'll probably be upgraded next winter, after I get some seat time next riding season.

Seems like you should just get the suspension worked out off the bat, though, considering DMr is right there.

Looking forward to your updates on the purchase.

Thanks for the suggestion, Rick. I may go fetch the bike as soon as Monday, and Jamie D. has already seen the forks and will give me his recommendations. Since time is of the essence, though, and $ currently a potential issue, I'll probably defer suspension upgrades 'til I've ridden the bike a bit. I think that way I'll appreciate them even more.

1 hour ago, MsRN98

Thanks for the suggestion, Rick. I may go fetch the bike as soon as Monday, and Jamie D. has already seen the forks and will give me his recommendations. Since time is of the essence, though, and $ currently a potential issue, I'll probably defer suspension upgrades 'til I've ridden the bike a bit. I think that way I'll appreciate them even more.

Upgrades like suspension are basically eye openers. You only know what you have and until you have something better, you won't know how much better until you experience it, then you wonder how you did without it. 

Duc2V4, 11/5/2016 at 6:14 PM

Upgrades like suspension are basically eye openers. You only know what you have and until you have something better, you won't know how much better until you experience it, then you wonder how you did without it. 

Life is too short to ride bikes with inadequate suspension.

4 minutes ago, 007

Life is too short to ride bikes with inadequate suspension.

Sometimes you gotta eat! Won't hurt to ride the bike with stock suspension for a season or so..

4 hours ago, thtanner

Sometimes you gotta eat! Won't hurt to ride the bike with stock suspension for a season or so..

I think this meme puts it into perspective for some...

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Duc2V4 I think this meme puts it into perspective for some...
 
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3 minutes ago, MsRN98

And with how much food our daughter has started putting away, we need to save our pennies...

So I'll talk with Jamie D. tomorrow, then figure out which throttle lock I want for the six-hour ride home. Which should also give me a good impression of the stock saddle (or at least an impression in my posterior).

There is no hurry, like I said you only know what you have. Once you get the funds and get the upgrade done, you'll know right away what the difference is. The best thing for you now is, grab the bike before it's gone! Setup the stock suspension the best way you can and ride!

20 hours ago, MsRN98

And with how much food our daughter has started putting away, we need to save our pennies...

So I'll talk with Jamie D. tomorrow, then figure out which throttle lock I want for the six-hour ride home. Which should also give me a good impression of the stock saddle (or at least an impression in my posterior).

Track days are definitely more important.  If you want to go faster, the best nut to change is the one behind the wheel.... err handlebars.

If/when you go to Daugherty Motorsports for your suspension upgrade, don't go halfway on the job. Upgrade everything:  springs, & valves and the complete fork internals.  You don't have to replace the rear shock with a CBR shock.  Upgrading the OEM shock is more than enough to make a HUGE difference. 

Especially since your bike has been going on for years now, it NEEDS to have its suspension refreshed.  And if you're going to have them taken apart, then you may as well replace everything.  Budget $1k for the whole job including shipping.  But you will have to remove/replace your own fork/shocks on your bike. 

Picking up the bike tomorrow in Fort Wayne. Weather report says high of 39°F with a 50% chance of rain or snow showers. I'm packing my Gore-Tex, a Zippo handwarmer, a Thermos full of hot coffee and my long underwear--plus armor. This should be entertaining...

Just talked with Jamie Daugherty, who's seen the bike. Sounds like I'll need new stanchion tubes within a few thousand miles, at which point there's no reason not to spring and re-valve the shock, then add shim stacks to the stock pistons; better yet, I may just get the cartridge kit and be done with it. At which point, too, I think I'll be investing in the 929RR shock conversion. Should be fun!

Best of luck on your adventure!  Pics to document would be nice.

Pics of the bike will be forthcoming, probably once I'm done cooking, hosting and cleaning up after our little family Thanksgiving dinner. As adventures go, picking up the bike proved.. entertaining. I got up at 1:15 am after about two hours' sleep, dressed, caught my Über ride to the bus stop, then spent 3 hours 15 minutes traveling to Chicago's Union Station. From there I hoofed it over to the Greyhound terminal and boarded a bus to Fort Wayne, IN. 4 hours 20 minutes later I disembarked and met the seller, a very nice young fighter pilot who drove me to the shop where I'd had the bike inspected. It was now about noon local time. All looked good, and the bike started right up, so we did the paperwork and I sent him on his way. That's when the real fun started--you see, we'd passed through a sleet storm on the way to Fort Wayne, and it started dumping before I left the shop. I got on the road, upshifted into 2nd, and watched the bikes tail end walk right around. Okay...reduce throttle, go get lunch and coffee, and wait for conditions to improve. 1 hour 15 minutes later, I was finally fed, caffeinated and on the road in a light rain. 30 miles and one wrong turn later, I discovered that four top layers and a wind proof balaclava plus GoreTex gloves with liners wasn't nearly enough protection for the high 30°s; I stopped at a C-store, got a BIG hot chocolate, put on my merino undershirt, put my GoreTex rainwear on over the top of my polypro, armor and lined leather, drank my cocoa and warmed up for 30-40 minutes, then off I went. After that, things went better...I had to stop a few times to re-zip the collar of the Gore-Tex jacket, as wind kept pulling the collar open and infiltrating into my chest and helmet, causing pain to some sensitive areas--but I got 90 miles to Valparaiso, re-fueled, warmed myself, secured the recalcitrant collar, called home for a status update (SENA BT really worked nicely, BTW), and set out to cross Illinois. My timing could probably have been worse, but the Dan Ryan Expressway at 7:00 pm on Saturday night was jam-packed; traffic was either 3 mph or 85 mph, depending on where we were. The VFR handled it all beautifully; feathering the clutch was effortless; the Crampbuster gave my throttle hand sufficient rest and kept it from freezing up too quickly. 160 miles from Valparaiso, I stopped to re-fuel and warm up in Janesville, WI, as I was almost a popsicle. Then the final 45-mile push to Madison in 30°F weather, which felt brutal. I arrived home at 9pm local time, almost 20 hours after I departed. Round trip was approximately 640 miles, and I was exhausted. But the bike was--is--stellar. To me, it feels far more nimble than the VFR1200, and the acceleration is more than satisfactory; the gradient between 'gentle' and 'insane' pickup is quite linear and easily-modulated. Shifting is precise, with a clear neutral detent. The motor sounds beautiful, like an I-4 and a big-bore V-twin got together and had a love child who inherited all of their best traits but none of their faults; it's nice and torquey, but with character--if that makes any sense at all. I told my spouse that I think I made the exact right choice. This bike seems just what I hoped it would be--a stellar all-rounder that looks terrific, behaves well and has a personality unlike anything else I've ridden. I can't remember the last time I wanted it to be spring before winter even arrived; this bike does that for me!