Opinion Request: 2nd bike to compliment the viffer

Hi guys and girls , I have a 2015DLX in white. And I love it. It's going to be my forever bike. However, I'm thinking to get the VFR a stablemate. 
 
The "problem" I'm having is the VFR is perhaps the most jack of all trades bike I think I could've picked. But finding a moto that fulfills a niche that my VFR won't in some fashion fulfill is something I've been pondering with alot of my moto-buddies, to little resolution. I am leaning towards something faster, like a s1000r or a 1290r. But even if I can convince a dealership to test one or both of these motos, it's doubtful I'll be able to fully examine its livability especially with a naked on longer-ish highway runs required to get to the fun roads around New Hampshire. In any event, almost all options are on the table, so long as its not a dirtbike or a H-D or one of its cruiser cousins. 

So, if the 8th Gen is chocolate, what would be the peanut butter to go with it, in the members' esteemed opinion? Thanks, and happy weekend! 

PS- will move this to the general motorcycle forum if needed, but this question is specifically geared for 8th Gen owners' opinion 

I think a dual-sport like the CRF250L (or Yamaha WR250R) would be the perfect compliment to a sports-tourer.  I know I would have a blast commuting in the suburban jungle on one of these as well as exploring some bumpy roads and easy trails.   They are fuel injected and relatively inexpensive too compared to the Yamaha.  Haven't ridden one yet but I've got some good saddle time on one at the local dealer LOL.  Would look REALLY nice in my garage parked next to my Interceptor.

W650 here. Enjoy the scenery once in a while

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For another street bike, I'd have an arm-stretching naked or supersport 1000 to cut loose on when I'm not planning on 200+ miles.

Triumph street triple was a good partner for my Honda.

10 minutes ago, Pjcliffo

Triumph street triple was a good partner for my Honda.

I had the Street Triple R for 2 years. Sold it in favor of a second VFR. Great bike, just nothing does it quite like a Viffer! Really tore up canyons, though. Top notch suspension from the factory.

I bought my daughter a CB500x and it has become my around town bike. I've ridden it on all day rides, down dirt roads, to the store, you name it. Not as fast as the VFR but I'm slowing down at my age anyway. I can ride it with the faster crowd and still show up in time for lunch.  Good luck! Shopping is usually more fun than buying.

Tough question. Do you want sportier, more comfort, better adventure capabilities, etc.

I wanted sportier, but if comfort had been my goal, I would have went with an FJR or a Concours. I'm not into adventure riding, so I don't have any opinion there. I'm not really into straight line speed either, but if I were, a ZX-14 or Hyabusa, either one can be made fairly comfortable. 

I think I'd do something similar to Greg - off-road/dual sport bike like an XR650L or full on ADV/BOB like an Africa Twin...   :)

+1 on the AT...the next bike I get to compliment my...um, bikes.

I am going the other direction and exploring the low horsepower option.I am picking up what was a VFR in the 70's this weekend. (minus the xmas tree)

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Take your pick....

Keep it "in the family"

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12 hours ago, jhenley17

For another street bike, I'd have an arm-stretching naked or supersport 1000 to cut loose on when I'm not planning on 200+ miles.

8 hours ago, 01ragtop

Tough question. Do you want sportier, more comfort, better adventure capabilities, etc.

I wanted sportier, but if comfort had been my goal, I would have went with an FJR or a Concours. I'm not into adventure riding, so I don't have any opinion there. I'm not really into straight line speed either, but if I were, a ZX-14 or Hyabusa, either one can be made fairly comfortable. 

Wow, great feedback, was not expecting such a response. 

These two replies probably come closest to my ponderings. To me, the VFR is a hair shy of sublimely comfortable for me, so I'm not yet ready for the "big and easy" bikes at 30. 

i think I'm looking for something substantially faster and nimbler than my VFR. I'd prefer to not have to tie myself in knots like my Ducati rider buddies though. 

To me, this says a naked. Like the BMW s100r or the KTM Superduke 1290r. 

Are there any opinions on living with these bikes before I start heading to dealerships for discussions? 

3 minutes ago, SubjectArc

Wow, great feedback, was not expecting such a response. 

These two replies probably come closest to my ponderings. To me, the VFR is a hair shy of sublimely comfortable for me, so I'm not yet ready for the "big and easy" bikes at 30. 

i think I'm looking for something substantially faster and nimbler than my VFR. I'd prefer to not have to tie myself in knots like my Ducati rider buddies though. 

To me, this says a naked. Like the BMW s100r or the KTM Superduke 1290r. 

Are there any opinions on living with these bikes before I start heading to dealerships for discussions? 

not dissing you view but I find the VFR is fast enough for road use so unless you're gonna take it on a track consider slower. VFR is more than enough to keep up with my mates on faster bikes but maybe the roads in US aren't policed quite as vigorously as they are in UK. I find the W650 (a  whopping 43hp) can be red-lined all day long causing huge grins but without troubling the local constabulary too  much

15 minutes ago, vtwindr

not dissing you view but I find the VFR is fast enough for road use so unless you're gonna take it on a track consider slower. VFR is more than enough to keep up with my mates on faster bikes but maybe the roads in US aren't policed quite as vigorously as they are in UK. I find the W650 (a  whopping 43hp) can be red-lined all day long causing huge grins but without troubling the local constabulary too  much

No diss taken my friend! Actually, this reader considers future track conversion utility to be a major plus. 

You did hit the nail on the head regarding roads. In my little corner of the US, cruising speeds typically run 130-135kph. If I had the opportunity to ride mostly urban or B roads, I would be all over a bike like your W650 or a supermoto. Beautiful bikes you have btw! 

10 hours ago, Samuelx

I think I'd do something similar to Greg - off-road/dual sport bike like an XR650L or full on ADV/BOB like an Africa Twin...   :)

+1 I was thinking of selling the VFR and getting an adventure bike, but my current feeling is to keep the VFR and get a CRF / DR / DRZ.  Actually I'm going to look at some today.  I already checked out the new CRF250L's, normal and Rally.  The Rally looks sweet, but it's kind of heavy (650ish).  Not sure I would take it on long enough rides to make the fairing worth it.  Maybe a DR-Z400S if I don't go with a CRF.  I think I could even be satisfied with a little DR200S (and the price can't be beat).  My only worry there is it wouldn't have enough oomph to get me to the dirt roads, aand I fear that on the CRF's too.

13 hours ago, Pjcliffo

Triumph street triple was a good partner for my Honda.

13 hours ago, thtanner

I had the Street Triple R for 2 years. Sold it in favor of a second VFR. Great bike, just nothing does it quite like a Viffer! Really tore up canyons, though. Top notch suspension from the factory.

13 hours ago, Pjcliffo

Triumph street triple was a good partner for my Honda.

Funnily enough, the VFR and the Street Triple were actually the final contestants before I decided to bring home the VFR. They are really great bikes. 

34 minutes ago, RC79Scott

+1 I was thinking of selling the VFR and getting an adventure bike, but my current feeling is to keep the VFR and get a CRF / DR / DRZ.  Actually I'm going to look at some today.  I already checked out the new CRF250L's, normal and Rally.  The Rally looks sweet, but it's kind of heavy (650ish).  Not sure I would take it on long enough rides to make the fairing worth it.  Maybe a DR-Z400S if I don't go with a CRF.  I think I could even be satisfied with a little DR200S (and the price can't be beat).  My only worry there is it wouldn't have enough oomph to get me to the dirt roads, aand I fear that on the CRF's too.

I think eventually once work/life circumstances allow, I'll eventually get something like this for long distance adventuring. I can't see myself ever being "cool" enough for a Harley Davidson, so maybe a R1200GS is what I'd age into, but I do get the perks of long range touring. Better still if it can handle less than perfect terrain :-) 

The Tuono 1100 and ugly FZ-10 are what have my eye right now. The noise and power coming from the Yam would be enough for me to get past the looks. I'm still trying to get a good look at a new Superduke as well, but they're all just dreams for me if I'm keeping the VFR. I overlooked the S1000R just because it gets lost in the sea of even-firing I4s.

4 hours ago, SubjectArc

Wow, great feedback, was not expecting such a response. 

These two replies probably come closest to my ponderings. To me, the VFR is a hair shy of sublimely comfortable for me, so I'm not yet ready for the "big and easy" bikes at 30. 

i think I'm looking for something substantially faster and nimbler than my VFR. I'd prefer to not have to tie myself in knots like my Ducati rider buddies though. 

To me, this says a naked. Like the BMW s100r or the KTM Superduke 1290r. 

Are there any opinions on living with these bikes before I start heading to dealerships for discussions? 

I don't have either of the two bikes you mentioned, but I've done 300 plus miles a day on an old ZX-7R which is similar to the Ducati riding position, and I'm in the planning stages of a 700 mile 2 day trip on my 675R. What you consider acceptable is unique to you and you alone. 

I don't find the 675R that bad, but others can only do a couple hours before their done. 

As far as nimble and fast track oriented bikes go, the GSXR-750 is the most comfortable I've ridden. You sit in them more than on them. The R6 has you perched way up on top. 

The 750 is a great bike too. Fast, Nimble, best power for street use and my buddy is faster round the track on his 750 than he was on his ZX-10. 

If I had the space (and money) what I would really like in my stable is a VFR, a CBR-600 and a Gold Wing.

There's also a side of me that wants a little 2-stroke Aprilia.

The 'Wing can be surprisingly sporty, even if it is a Barcalounger on two wheels.  Doubters should feel free to search YouTube for "yellow wolf gold wing".

When I was shopping for my 8th Gen VFR I was also looking at Gold Wings.  But I do a LOT of lane-splitting here and was nervous about the girth of the machine.  I bought the VFR and side cases - which stay on pretty much all the time - and it turns out those side cases make the VFR wider than a 'Wing!  Oh well.  The good news is I still manage to squeeze through some impressively tight spots in traffic.  It tends to scare the crap out of many stateside drivers, who aren't as comfortable in close quarters as drivers in Yurp and Asia.  But it works.

Once they sit on them, women love Goldwings.

BMW RNineT, with the hand-welded tank seam option.

This, for riding along places like the Champs Elysees, scanning the cafes.

But if you're out in West Bumfrick, just get a nice dirt bike.

I'd say get a red VFR to go with the white . But since I'm still in my honey moon phase with my new VFR I may be biased. 2 bikes ago I had a 2010 street triple R with every option from triumph, arrow full exhaust, windscreen, lower covers etc and it was $2K more out the door than my VFR but it seriously lacked any ability to do long trips like I wanted to do with my buddies without looking like a Beverly hillbillies mobile so I bought the worse bike of my life, a CTX1300 , the only bike I was glad to see gone.

For fun I like a honda rebel, you can redline thru all the gears and still not likely to get a speeding ticket LOL.

Agreed Rectal on the CBR 600, nice light, flickable bike with the right power to weight to be practically useable and not that expensive 

Dirt bikes are a good way to break bones to keep you off the Tarmac 

"Classic Bikes" are a piss off after the novelty wears off, they require constant maintainance and a working knowledge of the machine ... I've been riding since 1966, I started on classics ...

BMW learn how to proffer your wallet to the dealer and repeat "help yourself"

Triumph learn how to be disappointed in so many ways, the XC in particular 

I stopped riding my trials bikes a few years ago, my grand kids play on them enough to justify keeping them 

I've just sold my Supermoto as that's another summer time toy

So VFR for all year, CBR for summer fun

Just get a "different" VFR. ;-)

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2 hours ago, NodakVFR

Just get a "different" VFR. ;-)

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Wow - great pic Nodak!  I've never seen a pic where you could so clearly compare the lines of the 7th and 8th gens.

jhenley17, 2017-5-7 at 0:19 AM

Once they sit on them, women love Goldwings.

Some maybe...

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SubjectArc, 2017-5-5 at 10:02 PM

Hi guys and girls , I have a 2015DLX in white. And I love it. It's going to be my forever bike. However, I'm thinking to get the VFR a stablemate. 
 
The "problem" I'm having is the VFR is perhaps the most jack of all trades bike I think I could've picked. But finding a moto that fulfills a niche that my VFR won't in some fashion fulfill is something I've been pondering with alot of my moto-buddies, to little resolution. I am leaning towards something faster, like a s1000r or a 1290r. But even if I can convince a dealership to test one or both of these motos, it's doubtful I'll be able to fully examine its livability especially with a naked on longer-ish highway runs required to get to the fun roads around New Hampshire. In any event, almost all options are on the table, so long as its not a dirtbike or a H-D or one of its cruiser cousins. 

So, if the 8th Gen is chocolate, what would be the peanut butter to go with it, in the members' esteemed opinion? Thanks, and happy weekend! 

PS- will move this to the general motorcycle forum if needed, but this question is specifically geared for 8th Gen owners' opinion 

How about a Tuono? Having come to the VFR from a Falco (and a Shiver, Mille, VTR, SV...) you could have a whole different kind of fun :) Slightly more insane but takes to twisties or track exceptionally well

4 hours ago, Katie

How about a Tuono? Having come to the VFR from a Falco (and a Shiver, Mille, VTR, SV...) you could have a whole different kind of fun :) Slightly more insane but takes to twisties or track exceptionally well

That's a great idea! I have zero experience with Aprillia, but just online window shopping, they look exactly like that I'd be looking for. If I had to make a short list, it'd be the Yamaha FZ-10, BMW S1000r, and the Aprillia Tuono 1100. 

Just from your screen name I'm making the assumption you're female. My girlfriend is getting into riding and eyeballing the VFR in a seriously interested way. Problem is, she has a 28 "inseam. If you have that issue, do you have any suggestions for mitigating the short leg situation? 

Thanks! 

I vote for a Grom.  They are a blast to ride and allow for an endless amount of license revoking stupid shit.... Plus they are cheap as dirt.

If you cannot keep up with your buddies on your Gen8, a faster bike might NOT be the answer... Unless you are in North Dakota or Florida where corners are some sort of urban legend...

2 hours ago, SubjectArc

That's a great idea! I have zero experience with Aprillia, but just online window shopping, they look exactly like that I'd be looking for. If I had to make a short list, it'd be the Yamaha FZ-10, BMW S1000r, and the Aprillia Tuono 1100. 

Just from your screen name I'm making the assumption you're female. My girlfriend is getting into riding and eyeballing the VFR in a seriously interested way. Problem is, she has a 28 "inseam. If you have that issue, do you have any suggestions for mitigating the short leg situation? 

Thanks! 

Right guess on the girly bit but unfortunately (for any kind of advice) I'm one of the tall ones at 5"9"/175cm. The VFR is one of my shortest bikes! Has she tried one out yet? If it's a just a bit out of range, she could try a pair of Daytona Lady Star (or similar boots). I got a pair for when I had a Benelli TreK as it was just a bit too tall for comfort

Goose in the henhouse.

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My wife asked if she could just try out my VFR. She got a very quick, unwavering "no." Besides it being too beautiful, I'd be scared to death putting her on something that heavy and powerful.

Tuono is the way to go, from what my imagination tells me.

3 hours ago, Katie

Right guess on the girly bit but unfortunately (for any kind of advice) I'm one of the tall ones at 5"9"/175cm. The VFR is one of my shortest bikes! Has she tried one out yet? If it's a just a bit out of range, she could try a pair of Daytona Lady Star (or similar boots). I got a pair for when I had a Benelli TreK as it was just a bit too tall for comfort

This is excellent advice regarding the boots. She has a nice pair of Dainese Paranas but I suspect I can convince her onto some taller boots when it comes time for her to set off on her own. The bike is enough out of her reach that she'll need something. I'm hoping a seat shave off the height and width will get her enough of the way that some different boots can complete the fitment. Would really like to avoid messing with the suspension. Thanks for the great idea!

3 minutes ago, jhenley17

My wife asked if she could just try out my VFR. She got a very quick, unwavering "no." Besides it being too beautiful, I'd be scared to death putting her on something that heavy and powerful.

Tuono is the way to go, from what my imagination tells me.

The VFR for the lady is definitely something for her to "grow" into. It's very likely she'll be getting a R3 for Christmas to develop her skills. 

But afterwards... lets just say I have an excellent list of bar, frame, fork, and exhaust sliders sitting in a wish list for when she's ready for the step up  :wink:

26 minutes ago, SubjectArc

The VFR for the lady is definitely something for her to "grow" into. It's very likely she'll be getting a R3 for Christmas to develop her skills. 

But afterwards... lets just say I have an excellent list of bar, frame, fork, and exhaust sliders sitting in a wish list for when she's ready for the step up  :wink:

My wife started on a ER-6n (naked Ninja 650) and hated it. She got on her 5th gen and fell in love on the first ride. The VFR is just.. predictable and linear. Brakes are forgiving, clutch is hydraulic so even if you have the bars turned it acts the same, it's well balanced, etc. I almost wish I'd have just started her on the 5th gen.

1 minute ago, thtanner

My wife started on a ER-6n (naked Ninja 650) and hated it. She got on her 5th gen and fell in love on the first ride. The VFR is just.. predictable and linear. Brakes are forgiving, clutch is hydraulic so even if you have the bars turned it acts the same, it's well balanced, etc. I almost wish I'd have just started her on the 5th gen.

Was there a substantial size difference between the two? Because the main thinking behind the R3 is she feels it's of a more manageable size than something larger like the VFR, and therefore more confidence inspiring to start on.  

But Katie does bring up some great ideas about shoes helping! 

1 hour ago, SubjectArc

The VFR for the lady is definitely something for her to "grow" into. It's very likely she'll be getting a R3 for Christmas to develop her skills. 

But afterwards... lets just say I have an excellent list of bar, frame, fork, and exhaust sliders sitting in a wish list for when she's ready for the step up  :wink:

R3 would be an awesome starter bike - I really enjoyed my test ride of one as seen in vid below 😃  Yamaha screwed up IMO by not offering ABS on the '15 and '16s but at least they made it available for '17.

We're going to look at the R3 Monday. She's leaning more towards the Kwak, though, just from styling. I sat on the R3 about a year ago and it almost feels like a toy after riding bigger bikes. Light and very skinny between your legs.

30 minutes ago, jhenley17

We're going to look at the R3 Monday. She's leaning more towards the Kwak, though, just from styling. I sat on the R3 about a year ago and it almost feels like a toy after riding bigger bikes. Light and very skinny between your legs.

I'd be interested in your opinion on the R3's shifting impressions. I hopped on a friend's year or two old Ninja 300ABS and found the shifting experience to be.... jarring. 

Windering if it's just her bike or more of a issue with materials used in a more economical segment of the market! 

Having ridden both over 25 years i think the perfect stablemate to a VFR is, quite certainly, a Hawk NT650, a more-compact, lighter, lower, great-handling, alloy frame with swinger, masterpiece of a Honda middle-weight ! 

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Rectaltronics, ‎5‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 10:15 AM

If I had the space (and money) what I would really like in my stable is a VFR, a CBR-600 and a Gold Wing.

There's also a side of me that wants a little 2-stroke Aprilia.

The 'Wing can be surprisingly sporty, even if it is a Barcalounger on two wheels.  Doubters should feel free to search YouTube for "yellow wolf gold wing".

When I was shopping for my 8th Gen VFR I was also looking at Gold Wings.  But I do a LOT of lane-splitting here and was nervous about the girth of the machine.  I bought the VFR and side cases - which stay on pretty much all the time - and it turns out those side cases make the VFR wider than a 'Wing!  Oh well.  The good news is I still manage to squeeze through some impressively tight spots in traffic.  It tends to scare the crap out of many stateside drivers, who aren't as comfortable in close quarters as drivers in Yurp and Asia.  But it works.

I went with a Wing for the second bike.  Turns out that you are right the Wing's ass is smaller than a VFR with bags.  Took me a while to suppress the big bike bias and decide on buying one. I actually rode one instead of just reading comments from folks who had never even done a spin on one.  After all it is a second bike and different from the VFR...that is the point right?

And it splits fine.  Actually in some ways it is better than my VFR as the riding position is more suitable for visibility and the "whiskers" mirrors let you know you can get by.

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Just so many nice bikes out now with nice suspension, chassis, brakes, engines comfortable ergos....hard to nail down which one but the Goldwing F6B would be great for two up  cruising around with tunes no less!!    Hopefully one day I can pick one up and have a nice garage to put it in.

Anyone buy a naked Harley as a second bike to the VFR?

I'm thinking something in the Sportster family like the 1200 Custom

I don't know why anyone would buy a Harley. Someone else can do it better for less money, and you don't have to run the risk of being thought of as a Harley die-hard idiot that loves open pipes and includes visiting the local dealer for more overpriced merchandise on every trip.

Different strokes for different folks.....

During the 19 years I owned my 4th gen, I too would get disparaging comment on redslut once in awhile.  

Simply didnot give a toss and I reckon HD owners do neither :goofy:

timmythecop, 5/11/2017 at 11:46 PM

Goose in the henhouse.

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SEX

2 hours ago, LucaBrasi

Anyone buy a naked Harley as a second bike to the VFR?

I'm thinking something in the Sportster family like the 1200 Custom

I think if I were to ever get an H-D it would be a blacked out V-Rod Muscle. *Very* respectable performance, and minimal branding of the sort that elicits eyerolling. Dutchy is correct though, one should always get what they like, and not worry so much about others' perception. 

That being said, I suspect I shall never be "cool" enough for a H-D.  :goofy:

Have you seen the Yamaha Stryker? Now, there's a cruiser I think I would enjoy.  :cheerleader:

3 hours ago, jhenley17

I don't know why anyone would buy a Harley. Someone else can do it better for less money, and you don't have to run the risk of being thought of as a Harley die-hard idiot that loves open pipes and includes visiting the local dealer for more overpriced merchandise on every trip.

You have a point - The Yamaha Bolt is a clone of the 883 that's an all around better bike, and I'd take a Gold Wing long before an HD bagger.

The biggest problem I've always had with an HD is the whole "lifestyle" BS. It's not a lifestyle - it's a motorcycle. Being inked, with a mullet is not a requirement to ride a particular bike ....

My point is this, if the OP was looking for a "second bike" you couldn't get much more different than the VFR, than a Sportster variant.

Mullet and ink optional :beer:  

Subject - The V-Rod is a really nice bike, and the Porsche designed engine is supposed to be outstanding. That said, it's a lot of coin for a one trick pony.

Well, I have a CB1000R, ST1300 and a WR250R (plus a very understanding gf 😜) to go along with my '14 DLX.

Ah heck I'm no help...

SubjectArc I think if I were to ever get an H-D it would be a blacked out V-Rod Muscle. *Very* respectable performance, and minimal branding of the sort that elicits eyerolling. Dutchy is correct though, one should always get what they like, and not worry so much about others' perception.  

That being said, I suspect I shall never be "cool" enough for a H-D.  :goofy:

Have you seen the Yamaha Stryker? Now, there's a cruiser I think I would enjoy.  :cheerleader:

Yep, rode a Stryker. Thought I was pretty cool until I laid it down [image: emoji38.png].

No doubt, ride what makes you happy. Just made the statement mostly to point out that there are usually cheaper, more competent and reliable options. I don't try to lecture Hardley riders on why their bike sucks and they don't bother me for the most part. It's just fun to poke fun. I'll ride a 250 if it makes me happy, I don't give a damn what Bubba on his HDLXHDGF or Lil 'Nilla Wafer on his stretched Busa think.

I have an ST1300. Have thought about buying a CRF250.  But three bikes I always seem to regret so maybe should just stick to my 2.  I have the Pan because it is a brilliant bike and a V4 , this is my second one, but it also the only bike my partner feels at home on and happy to do distance.  I always thought my Pans where grown up VFR's 😀.  So probably why the third bike itch is still there.  For me the VFR covers so much of the sports bike and daily stuff, hard to justify anything else like al street bike in my opinion.  Not that we need much to justify out bike buying 🤑🏍👍.  My Pan covers any kind of cruising bikes as it's pretty laid back in its own way, a cruiser would be great to own again  but pointless in rainy Scotland.  Finally something like a Triumph Bonnie or Thruxton appeals but really just becomes a pretty bike in the garage.  So been there and done that and keep doing it, mental expensive addiction😀.

a tuono 1100 is the obvious choice :)

the tuono is the Mr Hyde to go with Dr Jekyll (VFR)

Dutchy, 5/16/2017 at 1:07 PM

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getting sexier

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The VFR does it all well enough to be an only bike. So if I were looking for another bike to complement it, it would be something that couldn't be an only bike.

So in ascending order of budget:

KTM RC390

Triumph Street Triple

Ducati Hypermotard

These are bikes that would be a blast on the 50km stretch of twisties that start a few blocks from my home. I used to have the money but no room, now I have the room but no money.

Having said that, I do have a Suzuki DR350SE, so maybe I need a third bike.

1 hour ago, timmythecop

getting sexier

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And more dangerous.................

(front caliper........) :goofy:

2nd bike to VFR has been a revolving door of used bikes for me. These two are my current favorites. Unfortunately i am forced to sell the Triumph. The FZ1 is a Yamaha VFR with so much motor and stability. Wife says two bikes at a time from now on. HA! She knows nothing.

Honda VT1000f SuperHawk is a really tempting choice. They are selling cheap too.

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As for VTR's

Why have chicken when you can have pork? :goofy:

NodakVFR Just get a "different" VFR. ;-)
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