I can't ride my VFR enough. Post up a pic of your mileage !
Mileage Let's Rock'em 'til the wheels fall off...
Bought in March 2016 as a New Leftover.
Handful of trackdays, a lot of sport riding, and sport touring.
Thanks for joining ! I brought mine in May of 2017 as a new leftover also. No track days but, as much riding as I can do. It's a
fantastic motorcycle...
Just bought my 2015 a couple weeks ago with 1955 miles.
The instrument panel definitely looks better with the blue nightime back light....
Gents I am just about to make a decision on a new vfr, i had one in the late 90,s and loved the build quality. so after numerous other bikes Blackbird,Cbr,Harley,Gs,s i have decided i want an all weather bike as i am fed up polishing and not riding the bike so to speak. Clearly you guys do a lot of miles is my choice the right choice as i thought abou the kawasaki s1000sx but the v4 sound wins as i can still remember enjoying the sound over the blackbird,blade and cbr. your views are welcome this bike will be used in the rain and shine most of the year round what do you guys and girls reckon.
budgie
I think the VFR is the whole package. Put an aftermarket slip on exhaust ( I'm using a Delkevic ) ,tweak the suspension ( Jamie Daugherty
to name one option), tweak the OEM seat ( Sargent rebuilt mine ) and you have a unique motorcycle that can do it all. Plus you won't
see yourself coming and going everyday.
RC45 clicks not in moderation...
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The Kwaka seems to get a lot of positive reviews, but I wonder about the handling. They have put “Special” Bridgestone tyres on it to lighten the steering, why?
My VFR has about 50,000 km on it and it is still a cracker. Wouldn’t know what else to buy.
14 hours ago, BudgieGents I am just about to make a decision on a new vfr, i had one in the late 90,s and loved the build quality. so after numerous other bikes Blackbird,Cbr,Harley,Gs,s i have decided i want an all weather bike as i am fed up polishing and not riding the bike so to speak. Clearly you guys do a lot of miles is my choice the right choice as i thought abou the kawasaki s1000sx but the v4 sound wins as i can still remember enjoying the sound over the blackbird,blade and cbr. your views are welcome this bike will be used in the rain and shine most of the year round what do you guys and girls reckon.
budgie
This is a good read. Check out the mileage on his 1990 VFR.
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I've done 120k miles on my '99 in all weather, I'd trust the 8th gen to do the same.
42K (67,500 km) on my watch.
75,000k's and purring like a kitten, just love it. :wub:
It's great to see all generations showing their mileage and sharing the story.
I like the Ninja 1000....here's a link to a recent discussion about the new one. It doesn't have a centerstand or room for one.
Also, one of the many commentators cites riding a VFR ( not sure what generation ) with 300+ mi ? !
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2020/06/2020-kawasaki-ninja-1000sx-md-ride-review-first-thoughts/best
I think the VFR is the best combination and the total package.
Sorry riding a VFR with 300K ( Not sure if that's miles or kilometers....either way impressive )
Budgie, 6/20/2020 at 9:15 AMGents I am just about to make a decision on a new vfr, i had one in the late 90,s and loved the build quality. so after numerous other bikes Blackbird,Cbr,Harley,Gs,s i have decided i want an all weather bike as i am fed up polishing and not riding the bike so to speak. Clearly you guys do a lot of miles is my choice the right choice as i thought abou the kawasaki s1000sx but the v4 sound wins as i can still remember enjoying the sound over the blackbird,blade and cbr. your views are welcome this bike will be used in the rain and shine most of the year round what do you guys and girls reckon.
budgie
I can't speak for all generations of the VFR, but my 6th gen offers decent weather protection, even with the stock windshield. I can duck down and put my knees in tight to the tank and avoid some rain, at least for a short burst. But riding through a steady rain you're going to get wet. This obviously isn't a full-blown tourer, but it's decent. Same goes for colder weather. I only wish I had heated grips, but I never got around to adding them.
RC79NC001, 6/20/2020 at 3:06 PMI think the VFR is the whole package. Put an aftermarket slip on exhaust ( I'm using a Delkevic ) ,tweak the suspension ( Jamie Daugherty to name one option), tweak the OEM seat ( Sargent rebuilt mine ) and you have a unique motorcycle that can do it all. Plus you won't see yourself coming and going everyday.
Agree. I don't have an aftermarket exhaust, but Jamie rebuilt a rear shock with a stiffer spring for my weight, and one of the best mods on my bike is the Sargent seat. It has lasted years, but probably needs to be redone at this point. But one of the best things about the VFR in my opinion is that you don't see them everyday. I like having a bike that's a little rare where I live. Plus, anytime you go into a shop and start talking to people, when you say you ride a VFR they'll invariably nod and say, "Nice bike." That's pretty cool.
As for mileage, it's great to see so many 8th gens with some decent miles already. I don't have a photo, but my 2004 is nearing 96,000 miles. I'm seriously hoping to see 100k on it before the end of the year. I didn't ride much from 2016 to 2018, averaging just 1,500 miles per year, otherwise I'd have hit six figures already. But I'm fairly certain this will be my last season with my VFR, which has been my only bike since August 2006.
Mine just passed 44,300 miles...
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Right On !
23 hours ago, fatshoutyblokeMine just passed 44,300 miles...
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and looks to wear it's mileage well.
21,208 km may seem quite low to most. However, the odometer, on the 6th gen at leas., only has room for 5 digits. It reached 99,999 km or miles, which ever you have it set at, then it rolls to zero and starts over again. Add a 2 to the left side of mine. Yes. It has rolled twice. 221,208 km. This thing, regardless of some pretty severe abuse, runs like a timex watch. I have replaced the stator twice, and had a hell of a time trying to find out what was causing some problems with starting in first gear a while back. That turned out to be a severely won clutch. After the clutch rebuild, the thing ran almost like new again. The Honda tech who worked on it told me I should easily roll that odometer once again. I crashed this thing on some god forsaken road in Baja in October 2018. We just picked it up off the road, well mountain goat trail really, then I just rode it away.[image: IMGP0732.thumb.JPG.be36d3374af7219fe75115db8e4bf719.JPG][image: IMGP0730.thumb.JPG.e2376874140ae26b2a81b78cb2fc4386.JPG][image: IMGP0731.thumb.JPG.c38e15b2a0c4eea545d5eca20f911e96.JPG]
The equivalent mileage being over 137000. That's impressive. Thanks for sharing.
just ordered a 2020 vfr arrives in september. now what about bag options hmmm
Bought in 2014 with 10,700 miles on her. Empty trailered to Virgina, bought from a pole barn, hauled to T-Mac where we found a rodent nest in the air box. (A pic was taken but I cannot find it). Too many upgrades to list but simply love this machine.
Anyone one else meeting their mileage expectations running a 30 grade???
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1 hour ago, BusyLittleShopAnyone one else meeting their mileage expectations running a 30 grade???
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I'm using 10-30. I get 45+ mpg regularly.
Bought new in April 2017.
5 hours ago, MaxSwellBought in 2014 with 10,700 miles on her. Empty trailered to Virgina, bought from a pole barn, hauled to T-Mac where we found a rodent nest in the air box. (A pic was taken but I cannot find it). Too many upgrades to list but simply love this machine.
That's impressive mileage for six years! I used to ride that much, and hope to again someday. 🙂
Bought my 02 wrecked with 200 miles on it, rebuilt it and rode the crap out of it until 2016.
15 hours ago, Budgiejust ordered a 2020 vfr arrives in september. now what about bag options hmmm
Congrats, I didn't know they were still making them for sale anywhere.
6 hours ago, BusyLittleShopAnyone one else meeting their mileage expectations running a 30 grade???
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Ducati's recommended oil. With 4 bikes I'm sticking to the dino for the Hondas.
2 hours ago, vfrcapnCongrats, I didn't know they were still making them for sale anywhere.
Ducati's recommended oil. With 4 bikes I'm sticking to the dino for the Hondas.
Hiya Mike... is that 30 grade for both???
7 hours ago, SparkieI'm using 10-30. I get 45+ mpg regularly.
Thanks Sparkie... I saved your photos for my next BITOG oil viscosity debate...
3 hours ago, BaileyrockBought my 02 wrecked with 200 miles on it, rebuilt it and rode the crap out of it until 2016.
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No doubt Bailey miles are never in moderation... 100K Bailey miles equals 300K normal miles... I gather you're still running 5w30 Mobil 1???
1 hour ago, BusyLittleShopThanks Sparkie... I saved your photos for my next BITOG oil viscosity debate...
Last time I checked we're posting mileage...not talking directly about oil. There's a different post for that.
Low mileage posts are welcome too !
RC79 may 2016 fast red
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Budgie, 6/26/2020 at 10:18 AMjust ordered a 2020 vfr arrives in september. now what about bag options hmmm
Why September, they're in stock ?
vfrcapn, 6/27/2020 at 2:16 AMCongrats, I didn't know they were still making them for sale anywhere.
Ducati's recommended oil. With 4 bikes I'm sticking to the dino for the Hondas.
I bought mine new April 2020, lockdown and weather has her at 700 odd miles still. First service done and waiting to tour
BusyLittleShop, 6/26/2020 at 11:16 PMNo doubt Bailey miles are never in moderation... 100K Bailey miles equals 300K normal miles... I gather you're still running 5w30 Mobil 1???
You know it Larry, thanks for oil your input throughout the years.
I actually just fired up my 6th gen last week after 4 years and it still sounds good!
Kevin (baileyrock)
Sept 14, Just back from the shop. 60163 Mi.
Had it since 1995, bought it with 4500 miles for $4500.
4 hours ago, ridervfrbought it with 4500 miles for $4500.
Are you hoping to sell it on for $80,005? Because I think you might be disappointed.
RC79NC001, 9/14/2020 at 4:24 PMSept 14, Just back from the shop. 60163 Mi.
I think that's impressive mileage on a VFR for just six years. Well done! 🙂
Hit this a couple weeks ago on my '04. Bought the bike from its first owner with 4,225 miles on it in August 2006. My goal for 2020 was to see this number on my VFR. :happy:
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Sweet. I want to see those 6 digits on my odometer as well.
6 hours ago, HareBrainAre you hoping to sell it on for $80,005? Because I think you might be disappointed.
Maybe in some foreign currency you could get 80,000 something. Name of the bike is "First Wife" you being a sane smart person like you are, do you think I would ever, ever sell her? Let me answer for you, NOoO : )
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ridervfr, 9/15/2020 at 4:34 PMMaybe in some foreign currency you could get 80,000 something. Name of the bike is "First Wife" you being a sane smart person like you are, do you think I would ever, ever sell her? Let me answer for you, NOoO : )
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Loooove 3rd gens . . . . :wub:
I bought my NOS 2015 DLX on Wednesday. I'm very pleased that it appears I will get many (s)miles out of it for years to come with proper care. It's difficult to adequately express my level of excitement! I put 460 of those miles on.
Bought it a lil over a year ago... original owner put 600 miles on it... I've done the rest
Well done gentlemen....let's show them 8th gen VFRs are fun and durable !
Bought the bike in July with 10,700 and I now have 14,600. Back in the saddle after 22 years absence; this is my 4th VFR after two 700s and an '86 750 in red-white-blue (the prettiest, but less punchy than the 698cc!). Here's a surveillance photo, prowling around downtown Philadelphia.
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I sold my 6th gen. two weeks ago. Ending odometer reading was 101,012. 🙂
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Nice. Its interesting to me that some of the 8gens including mine are seeing some high distance numbers, yet haven't heard of a single CCT replacement and I think they are the same part number as 6gens. Just curious!!
Had both CCTs replaced during the 60k valve adjust....trying to get rid of the ticking
noise. Post 60k service my VFR feels stronger than new....
32 minutes ago, GrumNice. Its interesting to me that some of the 8gens including mine are seeing some high distance numbers, yet haven't heard of a single CCT replacement and I think they are the same part number as 6gens. Just curious!!
I wonder if Honda improved them when re-introducing the VTEC engine on the 8th gen and Crossrunner but kept the same part #. Sixth gen owners may be upgrading and not knowing it when replacing their CCT's (wouldn't that be something!). If that's the case it's going to take a long time for that to become apparent. It would sure beat "rewinding" the old CCT's 6th gens originally came with.
19 minutes ago, CogswellI wonder if Honda improved them when re-introducing the VTEC engine on the 8th gen and Crossrunner but kept the same part #. Sixth gen owners may be upgrading and not knowing it when replacing their CCT's (wouldn't that be something!). If that's the case it's going to take a long time for that to become apparent. It would sure beat "rewinding" the old CCT's 6th gens originally came with.
Good point Cogswell sounds like a reasonable assumption. Have just checked and confirmed the part number hasn't changed, still a 14520-MCW-013. But yes, they may well have improved the inernal spring quality and kept the same number.
Cheers.
48 minutes ago, RC79NC001Had both CCTs replaced during the 60k valve adjust....trying to get rid of the ticking
noise. Post 60k service my VFR feels stronger than new....
Ah there you go I knew someone would spring up and prove me wrong regards 8gen cct replacement.
Did they show you the old ones? Did it cure the "ticking"? Or did the valve clearance check/adjustment clear the ticking?
CCT's are renowned for producing a noticeable slap or clacking sound, particularly with a warm engine and a blip of the throttle as the engine returns to idle. A ticking sound may be more associated with the valve clearances, although I guess that would have to mean larger clearances not the normal tighter clearances......just a thought.
Grum the honest answer is I don't know. Six valves were out of spec and while
my mechanic was in there the reasoning was to do the CCTs also.
15 hours ago, RC79NC001Grum the honest answer is I don't know. Six valves were out of spec and while
my mechanic was in there the reasoning was to do the CCTs also.
Sounds like you have a good mechanic with both bike and you in his best interests. When you're on a good thing, stick with it. :fing02:
Just got back from AZ. Added 2500ish miles.
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Seems in very good condition for 553,xxx km - 343,xxx or so miles. Maybe they slipped a decimal point in the ad. If accurate, that's the highest mileage 6th gen I've seen.
3 hours ago, CogswellSeems in very good condition for 553,xxx km - 343,xxx or so miles. Maybe they slipped a decimal point in the ad. If accurate, that's the highest mileage 6th gen I've seen.
I was curious, so I looked it up. One of the photos in the ad shows the odometer to be 53,348 km. The seller made a typo, simply putting an extra "5" on the front. 😉
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That's a very nice looking 6gen Philois. Always liked the Candy Red, black frame, gold wheels combo. Looks even better in the flesh.
Here are my stats month by month .
Purchased my 2014 VFR800D off the show room with less than 10 mi on the odometer. Here are my stats for each year. 2017,2018,2019,2020.
The left column is miles.
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Impressive lot of graphs RC79. I bet you've probably got the matching fuel economy ones to go with them! Not a Statistician by profession are you? :fing02:
No not a statistician but sometimes it's good to present your info a different way. I
have a diary for my VFR....everything gets logged. Fuel economy not so much but, I'd wager it's almost always over 45 mpg. The 8th gen is an efficient beast....
my mileage is 72000 km on vfr800f 2014, and all is working well.
My vfr is taking 4,5 liter in 100 km in speeds like 120-130 km´s per hour.
It was more before, my brakes were dragging.
Also noticed on rear break caliper if i tightened it down then there was brake drag, loosing the bolts about 2 turns the brakes stop dragging........
BusyLittleShop, 6/27/2020 at 5:03 AMAnyone one else meeting their mileage expectations running a 30 grade???
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I have just started using HP4 10w30 after 52,000km using Motul 7100 10w40. The bike seems to run a couple of degrees (c) cooler and also seems smoother running. This, of course, might all be in my head.
I would prefer to run a fully synthetic 10w30 but struggle to find it in northern Sydney. Maybe it’s not that important and HP4 is fine.
22 hours ago, VFR78I would prefer to run a fully synthetic 10w30 but struggle to find it in northern Sydney. Maybe it’s not that important and HP4 is fine.
Which oil is best for longevity??? either a 30 or 40 grade oils in
either synthetic or mineral will meet and exceed your mileage expectations...
Which oil is best for lowering temps??? the 30 grades flows with less
drag than a 40 grade...
Which oil is best for Horse Power??? the 30 grades flows with less
energy than a 40 grade...
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22 hours ago, VFR78I have just started using HP4 10w30 after 52,000km using Motul 7100 10w40. The bike seems to run a couple of degrees (c) cooler and also seems smoother running. This, of course, might all be in my head.
I would prefer to run a fully synthetic 10w30 but struggle to find it in northern Sydney. Maybe it’s not that important and HP4 is fine.
Modern oils are so much better than what was available back when these bikes were new. You can't go wrong with any of them really.
Note that as synthetic oil breaks down, it actually goes towards high-end of viscosity-range. So your old Motul 7100 was getting thick with age as it wears out. Causing more load on system and generating more heat.
This article, posted in another thread a few weeks ago, besides just being an interesting read, on the 3rd page has some real world empirical data points on how this courier (dispatch) rider got his 3rd gen to ultimately reach 852,000 miles on the chassis before it finally had had it. The first engine lasted 440,000 miles and the 2nd was at 412,000 when he retired the bike. He also touches on what he did for chain maintenance and tires. None of his practices may fit your situation and he was unusual, doing long stretches at a time so the number of cold starts over miles ridden were likely way lower than the average rider who does maybe 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year. But as pointed out, oils now (as well as other ancillaries such as tires and even chains) are so much better than they were 20+ years ago that you can't go too far wrong at all with your choices. Regardless, it seems likely that we will wear out before our engines do!
Something that I started doing 3 years ago was to install a magnetic drain plug in the sump. I encouraged a couple of friends that I assist with maintenance to do the same - one a KTM and the other a Kawi. I'm somewhat amazed at how much sticks to the plug during an annual service, which can be in the 4,000 mile range down to just 1,500 in a lockdown shortened year such as 2020. There is always a black ball on the end of it. If I use a heavy paper towel to wipe it off and keep it centralized, I can turn the towel over and use the magnet to pick it up, so there's no question it's magnetic and not just the usual buildup of oil contamination over the miles. Regardless of the oil you use, a magnet can keep that out of your rotating assembly. I also have two magnets I apply to the outside of the filter. Upon cutting one open, I found the same - two black dots on the inside of the can where the magnets had been. I got mine from Dimple but there are likely many sources. Rare Earth magnets will be the strongest and may catch more of that than Chinese knock offs - hard telling.
Britains highest mileage rider.pdf
Hi Cogswell.
Great post and I like your suggestion of the magnetic drain plug.
Can you or anyone suggest a top quality plug for an 8gen. Just don't want to fall into the trap of something cheap and nasty that could potentially fail, leak or damage the sump threads.
Muchous Gracious. :fing02:
2 hours ago, GrumHi Cogswell.
Great post and I like your suggestion of the magnetic drain plug.
Can you or anyone suggest a top quality plug for an 8gen. Just don't want to fall into the trap of something cheap and nasty that could potentially fail, leak or damage the sump threads.
Muchous Gracious. :fing02:
At your service!
I got mine from Dimple in the U.S. (below). They have a different shoulder than OEM - I was skeptical at first, but they work fine, no leaks or backing out. The one compatible with the 8th gen, presuming it's the same as for G6 is pre-drilled for a safety wire, which I decided to begin using after getting the appropriate pliers last year. You'll need a new crush washer at each service (they'll be roached and not reusable) so order plenty, or go on Amazon or ebay if you don't have a local supplier. I've used both aluminum and copper washers, either work fine. I got my copper ones on Amazon in a bag of 50. These things are crazy strong. They really hold on to things. Worth considering are the oil filter magnets, shaped like hockey pucks. The VFR gets 3 staggered from bottom to top - all my other vehicles 2. They're not terribly expensive. I had a magnetic plug in the CRV, Camry and 4Runner, but there was never anything on them, so after I ran out of crush washers I went back to the OEM plug and just use the filter magnets on the cars. It's the bikes that produce the swarf that these things catch. All the ones I've seen them in do it. I suspect it's from the gear box - that's the major difference I can think of between the bike and car engines. IDK why manufacturers don't put them in bikes - car gearboxes, either auto or manual and differentials seem to typically have them.
1 hour ago, CogswellAt your service!
I got mine from Dimple in the U.S. (below). They have a different shoulder than OEM - I was skeptical at first, but they work fine, no leaks or backing out. The one compatible with the 8th gen, presuming it's the same as for G6 is pre-drilled for a safety wire, which I decided to begin using after getting the appropriate pliers last year. You'll need a new crush washer at each service (they'll be roached and not reusable) so order plenty, or go on Amazon or ebay if you don't have a local supplier. I've used both aluminum and copper washers, either work fine. I got my copper ones on Amazon in a bag of 50. These things are crazy strong. They really hold on to things. Worth considering are the oil filter magnets, shaped like hockey pucks. The VFR gets 3 staggered from bottom to top - all my other vehicles 2. They're not terribly expensive. I had a magnetic plug in the CRV, Camry and 4Runner, but there was never anything on them, so after I ran out of crush washers I went back to the OEM plug and just use the filter magnets on the cars. It's the bikes that produce the swarf that these things catch. All the ones I've seen them in do it. I suspect it's from the gear box - that's the major difference I can think of between the bike and car engines. IDK why manufacturers don't put them in bikes - car gearboxes, either auto or manual and differentials seem to typically have them.
Wow! Thank you Sir for your comprehensive reply Cogswell, you are the best!
Shall seriously look into this, might actually look at the Oil Filter magnets for both car and VFR.
Cheers. :beer:
1 hour ago, GrumWow! Thank you Sir for your comprehensive reply Cogswell, you are the best!
Shall seriously look into this, might actually look at the Oil Filter magnets for both car and VFR.
Cheers. :beer:
A pleasure, sir! If you decide you would like the Dimple magnets, they have kind of a quirky website. It appears they only take Paypal, but by clicking that and then on "Pay without a Paypal account" you can then enter a CC # and choose international shipping. That's not mentioned on the website - only by going to checkout can it be found.
Cheers.
13 minutes ago, CogswellA pleasure, sir! If you decide you would like the Dimple magnets, they have kind of a quirky website. It appears they only take Paypal, but by clicking that and then on "Pay without a Paypal account" you can then enter a CC # and choose international shipping. That's not mentioned on the website - only by going to checkout can it be found.
Cheers.
Thanks again Cogs. :fing02:
Thanks Cogswell! 👋
I got one of these couple years ago for my Ninja 250 race-bike: https://www.amazon.com/Outlaw-Racing-Magnetic-1-5-13MM/dp/B00AWER052
Recently switched to this one. The alloy body sucks away less magnetism and bigger magnet catches more fragments. https://www.amazon.com/Magnetic-Drain-Plug-Sump-Bolt(12x1-5,Red)/dp/B07BQPGV9G/ref=psdc_15726101_t3_B01N96K2OL
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Looks like the total for the year is 29028 Miles.
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29,000 miles in 2020 . . . I don't do that many a year in my car!
4 wheels move the body
2 wheels move th soul
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