Honda's New ST - NT1100
Meh!
I really kind of liked the concept bike. The final is kind of dull. At the moment, my next bike might be the new Tiger 660. Very close to my CB500x but nearly twice the ponies. I'm afraid Ol'Heavy my be hitting the market.
Seems like a solid bike but uninspiring and yeah, dull. Yamaha Tracer 9 is 10% lighter, 10% more hp and 10% less $$, with some zing.
I think it's a nice looking bike, WAAAAAYY better looking than the Yamaha Tracer.....
Does Yamaha have the DCT? NO!
Typical Honda, conservative, nice looking bike.... with great refinement and technology.
I rode a DCT VFR1200X for a while..... not sure I'd want it.... ok on a Goldwing.... I'm happy with the very light pull slipper clutch on my Versys 1000. I'm sure the DCT is fine once you get used to it, but the pre-programmed shift points, etc. didn't excite me.
I'd like to ride the NT1100 for fun to see what the fuss is about. I was on the fence about a Tracer GT for a couple of years, test rode 3 times... the Versys spoke to me way more, and I'm not (yet) thinking the NT can be a whole lot better. We shall see.
Is is just me or do the hard bags look a little small for a sport-tourer?
Nice looking bike overall, and it seems like a good design for its intended purpose. And that TFT screen looks bigger and nicer than the touchscreen in my car!
While I applaud Honda for making a bike like this, I doubt they'll sell a ton of these. Same with Suzuki and its latest ST offering. It's funny...when I started riding in 2006, the vast majority of the popular bikes being sold were either cruisers or supersports. Times have changed and I think things are a bit more spread out among cruisers, supersports, beginner bikes, adventure bikes, naked sportbikes, sport-tourers, and full-on tourers (like the Goldwing). But though things have evened out some across different types of bikes, I would guess ST is still the smallest segment.
5 hours ago, vfrcapnSeems like a solid bike but uninspiring and yeah, dull. Yamaha Tracer 9 is 10% lighter, 10% more hp and 10% less $$, with some zing.
Tracer is too high for me!
3 hours ago, raYzermanI rode a DCT VFR1200X for a while..... not sure I'd want it.... ok on a Goldwing.... I'm happy with the very light pull slipper clutch on my Versys 1000. I'm sure the DCT is fine once you get used to it, but the pre-programmed shift points, etc. didn't excite me.
I'd like to ride the NT1100 for fun to see what the fuss is about. I was on the fence about a Tracer GT for a couple of years, test rode 3 times... the Versys spoke to me way more, and I'm not (yet) thinking the NT can be a whole lot better. We shall see.
I have read that the Versys can get a bit wayward at high speeds. Very high speeds, that is, which means up around 200kph. Otherwise, the Versys seems to be pretty good.
4 hours ago, flya750Typical Honda, conservative, nice looking bike.... with great refinement and technology.
Honda had to do something, now the Viffer is no more, and all the others have Sport Touring options.
3 hours ago, VFR78I have read that the Versys can get a bit wayward at high speeds. Very high speeds, that is, which means up around 200kph. Otherwise, the Versys seems to be pretty good.
Haven't had a hint of a problem...... I think those that said that did not have their suspension set up properly (too wimpy). You've perhaps heard of the Pan Weave on the ST1300's as well, for the same reasons...... I like a firmer suspension setting.
It was said in a Motorcycle Mag, after a test somewhere in the Dolomites, at very high speeds, I think. I have often thought about the Versys, as an update on the Viffer, but it’s a bit tall fo me.
Skids, 10/21/2021 at 5:08 AMDetails released over here today.
Full specs & video - Visordown.
MCN.
After reviewing further both the new Suzuki GSX GT and the new Honda NT1100......that Suzuki ain't got shit on the new Honda...LMAO!! You don't need 150hp for sport touring...they both have about the same torque... the Suzuki doesn't have a rear top case option, no heated grips, no DCT, UGLY compared to the Honda, the Honda dash is better, the Honda has better refinement, 524 lbs curb weight ain't bad.......Once again.... Honda hits it out of the park........
That NT1100 is a nice bike, my only problem with a bike like the NT1100 is the taller seat height...it discriminates against guys with a 32" inseam 😉 But it also depends on how wide the bike is too?
With that said, if I was in the market and I didn't already have an 8G, I'd be super stoked to get that NT1100.
I still don't believe the VFR is dead forever in Honda's mind....
I think this view in Black is pretty cool looking.
U.S. Spec saddlebags are likely gonna have stupid red reflectors tho...
How about a 90 degree v4 no vtec sub 600lbs ?
Hard bags and center stand standard? Sign me up
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11 minutes ago, jstehmanHow about a 90 degree v4 no vtec sub 600lbs ?
Hard bags and center stand standard? Sign me up
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So much this. No VTEC. Just a true gear driven cam liter 90 V4 with some bags. Plus all the the modern era gives us.
But... I love my 98 ST1100 (NON ABS/DCBS/TCS) so much because it's just a basic fucking great Honda. But it's heavy. Luckily Honda was so good during this period that it loses a lot of weight once rolling. Doesn't help in parking lots with the wife and luggage tho.
Plus... full face helmets in each (nicely) integrated saddle bag.
1 hour ago, jstehmanHow about a 90 degree v4 no vtec sub 600lbs ?
Hard bags and center stand standard? Sign me up
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https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-reviews/ducati-multistrada-v4-pikes-peak-early-ride/
There you go. For the simple price of 2.75x VFRs...
11 hours ago, flya750
That NT1100 is a nice bike, my only problem with a bike like the NT1100 is the taller seat height...it discriminates against guys with a 32" inseam 😉
In case you missed it:
The suspension changes have brought the seat height of the new NT1100 down to 820mm from the Africa Twin’s towering 850 to 870mm perch. The low seat and fairly accommodating step-over should open up a world of riders to the new bike, something Honda is no doubt keen to exploit.
9 hours ago, SkidsIn case you missed it:
The suspension changes have brought the seat height of the new NT1100 down to 820mm from the Africa Twin’s towering 850 to 870mm perch. The low seat and fairly accommodating step-over should open up a world of riders to the new bike, something Honda is no doubt keen to exploit.
I didn't miss it, no....but still kind of high for the shorter riders. Taller than the 8G. But again, it's not just about the height, it's about the width of the bike. My 3G VFR750 had the same height as the other VFR's, but the thing was so wide, I wasn't able to go flat footed. On my 8G, because it is much narrower due to the elimination of the fat gear driven cam motor, I can flat foot all day long.... 😉
So I'm guessing being that it's a parallel twin, it might not be too wide?
The shitty part about getting older, is you get shorter!! 😉
11 hours ago, vfrcapnhttps://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-reviews/ducati-multistrada-v4-pikes-peak-early-ride/
There you go. For the simple price of 2.75x VFRs...
Don't think I'll ever own a Ducati. No interest really. It would end up as a garage queen. I'd be too worried about scratching it 😅
What happened to the Cross tour or whatever the VF1200x was??
13 hours ago, jstehmanHow about a 90 degree v4 no vtec sub 600lbs ?
Hard bags and center stand standard? Sign me up
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How about closer to 400lbs? It might seem impossible, but, there are ADV bikes getting close to that and they’re of heavier construction.
6 minutes ago, jstehmanDon't think I'll ever own a Ducati. No interest really. It would end up as a garage queen. I'd be too worried about scratching it 😅
What happened to the Cross tour or whatever the VF1200x was??
Ducati electronics mean you’ll never know what you’re gonna’ get.
The 1200X I sat on felt like an absolute pig, compared to my Tiger. And, it was very plastic and cheap looking.
21 hours ago, flya750
After reviewing further both the new Suzuki GSX GT and the new Honda NT1100......that Suzuki ain't got shit on the new Honda...LMAO!! You don't need 150hp for sport touring...they both have about the same torque... the Suzuki doesn't have a rear top case option, no heated grips, no DCT, UGLY compared to the Honda, the Honda dash is better, the Honda has better refinement, 524 lbs curb weight ain't bad.......Once again.... Honda hits it out of the park........
Of course you are entitled to your own opinion, but a 150hp sports tourer sounds like an attractive proposition to me, especially if it light in weight too. Whereas the NT is being sold as a tourer.
The VFR1200F sports tourer puts out over 170hp and you don't find any 1200 owners complaining about that. I just wish it was a few kg's lighter.
As for your other points, they are all subjective at the moment as none of us has seen, touched or ridden either bike. It is touching that you give Honda the benefit so easily, I've been a sole-Honda man for over 20 years, but I feel they've deserted me with their latest offerings and so I am forced to look elsewhere for where the future of my riding comes from.
Hopefully, I'll get to see and touch both bikes at the Motorcycle Live show early December in Birmingham (Birmingham UK that is, for our cousins across the pond). :beer:
Personally, I much prefer the look of the Suzuki. As an ex-GSXR rider I can be certain that the Suzuki engine (of that design) will be hugely torquey and incredibly smooth at low revs and small throttle openings. It will be a bit buzzy around 3-4k but smooth above and, oh lord, the power from 6k up just brings out the hooligan (or the fella who wants really snappy overtakes). I've never ridden a twin so can't really make a comparison in regards to how the power and torque goes down, but in my experience Suzuki suspension has always been sublime; massive feel on the front end yet also extremely plush and compliant whether at speed or tootling. Based on the info available right now I'd easily go with the Suzuki. Yeah, the Honda looks ' nice' but my guess is it will be adequate rather than exciting. Then again beauty and benefits are in the eye of the beholder and holder!
2 hours ago, SkidsOf course you are entitled to your own opinion, but a 150hp sports tourer sounds like an attractive proposition to me, especially if it light in weight too. Whereas the NT is being sold as a tourer.
The VFR1200F sports tourer puts out over 170hp and you don't find any 1200 owners complaining about that. I just wish it was a few kg's lighter.
As for your other points, they are all subjective at the moment as none of us has seen, touched or ridden either bike. It is touching that you give Honda the benefit so easily, I've been a sole-Honda man for over 20 years, but I feel they've deserted me with their latest offerings and so I am forced to look elsewhere for where the future of my riding comes from.
Hopefully, I'll get to see and touch both bikes at the Motorcycle Live show early December in Birmingham (Birmingham UK that is, for our cousins across the pond). :beer:
If you're being intellectually honest, you can't justify 150hp on country roads and think you're riding safe or think you're going to keep your driving privilege's. You appear to be from the UK, I watch alot of motorcycle videos and I don't see ANY roads where you can get your bikes past 90 mph/140 kph? In fact, I almost feel sorry for you guys with those narrow roads and blind spots everywhere. I also see lots of wet weather...;) I do enjoy the views of your country side, however.
My only caveat for the 150hp requirements is if you're a 230lbs/104kg man, more torque and HP would be ideal. 😉
I often ride USA country roads on my modded 8G (110hp) and I easily rip triples all the time....but at the same time, I'm perfectly aware that at any given day, I could get clobbered with a reckless driving ticket, which would ruin my day.
Same reason CBR- RRR SP's ARE NOT road bikes....you can't use the power (200hp) safely on the streets. I'm not sure if you know the 650ib youtube channel, but they do smack downs with their 200hp sport bikes, it's only matter of time, before 650ib's smackdowns will be no more... I'm surprised its been allowed this long and I'm surprised 650lb's WIFE ALLOWS... 650ib lost a friend due their high speed shenanigan's.
The country roads I ride on are often filled with sand, gravel, hidden driveways, you have to be super cautious with your speed and control. Having 150 hp would not help your cause. This is not opinion.... this is the basic law of speed.... "driving too fast, to safely stop." It's not the speed that kills, it's that sudden rapid deacceleration that kills.
Who doesn't love HP, but the VFR's were discontinued due to Euro5. I think Honda is going to bring back a 9G, V4, probably 1000cc +....?
I do agree that there are two different motorcycles types.... There is a Sport/tourer and there is a Tour/sport.....Two different motorcycles. often thought to be the same. I would classify the NT1100 as a tour/sport.
These guys that are asking for 400lbs/181 kg sport/tour VFR's..... how is a 400lbs/181kg sport bike going to make a good tourer? I like the heft of my 8G for 20% of the time I tour.
IMHO, the Honda 8G is the best SPORT/Tourer on the planet, with the exception of the 7G (I'd say both are the best, but are different class motorcycles........ and I love the VTEC.... super quiet when you need it to be and good fuel economy. My personal choice would be the smaller, lighter 8G.
Rode 95 miles today mostly at around 40-60 mph on very twisty and narrow roads which were also quite bumpy. Gets you very good at trail braking and thinking a long way ahead to plan your moves; don't be too sorry for us. Last 20 miles were at around 80-115 mph (oops) avoiding various ' cages' as you folks like to call them and exploring the full range of bank angle on traffic circles. Overall 57 mpg. The 8G is a truly remarkable machine and excellent on UK roads. Great fun. Now hiding in the garage in case anyone noticed.
3 minutes ago, PressonRode 95 miles today mostly at around 40-60 mph on very twisty and narrow roads which were also quite bumpy. Gets you very good at trail braking and thinking a long way ahead to plan your moves; don't be too sorry for us. Last 20 miles were at around 80-115 mph (oops) avoiding various ' cages' as you folks like to call them and exploring the full range of bank angle on traffic circles. Overall 57 mpg. The 8G is a truly remarkable machine and excellent on UK roads. Great fun. Now hiding in the garage in case anyone noticed.
What roads were you able to go 80-115mph on? I thought you guys had lots of speed cameras?
I totally agree that the 8G is remarkable... it is easily my Dream bike....Give me $30k.... and I'd buy another one and pocket the cash 😉
Oh look... 650ib youtube channel ....someone crashed 200+hp Ducati......only a matter of time driving the way they do....ride and use your 150+ hp on country roads and expressways....YOU WILL scratch your bike. 😉
Why I LOVE watching 650ib's videos... I would classify them as being "dumb as a shovel"....especially when they think that someone won't change lanes when you're flying up on cars going 180mph
I've ALWAYS said... the best part about riding a motorcycle is when you pull back in your driveway SAFE!!!!
What roads, well that would be telling wouldn't it. But they were far from straight. And yes we do have lots of speed cameras. Cheers
42 minutes ago, flya750....someone crashed 200+hp Ducati......only a matter of time driving the way they do....ride and use your 150+ hp on country roads and expressways
Power used irresponsibly is always a problem. Just because its there doesn't mean it needs to be used. In an old job I was generally using 60-80% rpm to go forward. Up to 115% was available but the speed and fuel penalties were potentially severe so one got used to being cautious and keeping to plan. Idiot behaviour on the road also has potential penalties but personally I'd still like the capacity for that fast overtake or acceleration away from hazards. It's a question of self control and responsibility. In short, I don't agree that there is a definitive upper HP limit for road riding but I do agree that not everyone gets that.
19 hours ago, Captain 80sSo much this. No VTEC. Just a true gear driven cam liter 90 V4 with some bags. Plus all the the modern era gives us.
But... I love my 98 ST1100 (NON ABS/DCBS/TCS) so much because it's just a basic fucking great Honda. But it's heavy. Luckily Honda was so good during this period that it loses a lot of weight once rolling. Doesn't help in parking lots with the wife and luggage tho.
Plus... full face helmets in each (nicely) integrated saddle bag.
I totally forgot about the ST!! That would be about perfect.
Just need to move a few things around in the garage.. get the 500 all zipped up.. convince the wife I'm getting another bike 🤣🤣
Who let Karen into the house? Good grief! 🙄
Not sure how many of you know who MOTOBOB is, but here's his take on the NT1100.
8 hours ago, KbearNot sure how many of you know who MOTOBOB is, but here's his take on the NT1100.
Sounds like he's just expanding on what can be found in the stats on the bike. Has he ridden it?
9 hours ago, ducnutWho let Karen into the house? Good grief! 🙄
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4 hours ago, jstehmanSounds like he's just expanding on what can be found in the stats on the bike. Has he ridden it?
I believe he states in the video that he has not ridden one yet, but looks forward to review riding one in the near future.
In 2012, Yamaha started making a heavy, parallel twin, 108hp/84ft lbs bike with primitive electronics that can be disabled .
I recently sold it after a year of ownership and I miss it every day.
And don't get fooled by 108hp/84ft lbs. You'll hit and float at triple digits with easy and after an ECU reflash by https://2wheeldynoworks.com/, it'll try to rip your arms off. For a few months, I ran it with a borrowed Yoshimura pipe. A cross-lane parallel twin, with a pipe "bumbs". I hear the tune changes with an Arrow header.
It handled every potholed, washed out, hairpin, sweeper I could find in Marin/Sonoma and in my backyard Berkeley/Oakland Hills with aplomb and would only tell me to slow down when an ultra tight left turn kissed the drive shaft. The solution was a tuned suspension but I knew my time with it was short.
'12 and '13 were recalled for "a gap may develop in the protective sealant where the lead wires of the accelerator position sensor (APS) and throttle position sensor (TPS) connect to the electronic control unit (ECU). Though my Tenere was "fixed" I had to reperform the wiring as the recall tech installed it incorrectly.
'14 to present updated to electronic suspension and other items I don't care to delve into.
Though it's much lighter than the Super Tenere, I just don't see myself buying the NT. I'd rather get another Super Tenere for anywhere between $5-7k and send the ECU for a reflash and sort out the suspension.
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Though if they make this CBX4...
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Tirso, 11/5/2021 at 3:08 AMIn 2012, Yamaha started making a heavy, parallel twin, 108hp/84ft lbs bike with primitive electronics that can be disabled .
I recently sold it after a year of ownership and I miss it every day.
And don't get fooled by 108hp/84ft lbs. You'll hit and float at triple digits with easy and after an ECU reflash by https://2wheeldynoworks.com/, it'll try to rip your arms off. For a few months, I ran it with a borrowed Yoshimura pipe. A cross-lane parallel twin, with a pipe "bumbs". I hear the tune changes with an Arrow header.
It handled every potholed, washed out, hairpin, sweeper I could find in Marin/Sonoma and in my backyard Berkeley/Oakland Hills with aplomb and would only tell me to slow down when an ultra tight left turn kissed the drive shaft. The solution was a tuned suspension but I knew my time with it was short.
'12 and '13 were recalled for "a gap may develop in the protective sealant where the lead wires of the accelerator position sensor (APS) and throttle position sensor (TPS) connect to the electronic control unit (ECU). Though my Tenere was "fixed" I had to reperform the wiring as the recall tech installed it incorrectly.
'14 to present updated to electronic suspension and other items I don't care to delve into.
Though it's much lighter than the Super Tenere, I just don't see myself buying the NT. I'd rather get another Super Tenere for anywhere between $5-7k and send the ECU for a reflash and sort out the suspension.
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Though if they make this CBX4...
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If the Tenere was that good what made you sell it? shaft drive is the way to go. I am done with messy chains.
I own and have owned shaft bikes and chain bikes. Come new tire times, I would rather deal with the chain any day.
Kbear, 10/24/2021 at 8:29 PMI believe he states in the video that he has not ridden one yet, but looks forward to review riding one in the near future.
mello dude, 11/12/2021 at 11:13 PMI own and have owned shaft bikes and chain bikes. Come new tire times, I would rather deal with the chain any day.
Interesting. I've not owned any other shaft bikes but the tyre change on the VFR1200 is simple, just like the 800; rotate end can out of the way, undo wheel bolts, remove wheel.
15 hours ago, Kbear
For the "Gentleman tourer" eh? 😄
Front end the same as the VFR800, except for the mud guard, same rear wheel too. Why no centre stand?
I shall take a look at the Bike Show in Dec and book a test ride just to see if the engine lives up to his promise.
7 hours ago, SkidsWhy no centre stand?
Really. I thought the same thing. Even if it has shaft drive it's still nice to have a center stand.
11 hours ago, SkidsFor the "Gentleman tourer" eh? 😄
Who wants a tamed, shaft driven P2 "VFR"? Meh... me no likey.
PS: a prior meltdown of the VFRD server wiped out the pictures 😞
15 hours ago, SkidsFront end the same as the VFR800, except for the mud guard,
? The NT has an USD with more travel.
9 hours ago, V4 Rosso? The NT has an USD with more travel.
My bad, I meant wheel and brakes.
13 hours ago, DutchyWho wants a tamed, shaft driven P2 "VFR"? Meh... me no likey.
PS: a prior meltdown of the VFRD server wiped out the pictures 😞
You were riding the older Crossrunner, not the newer one based on the 2013+ 8th Gen. The Gentleman's seating position is the only real difference, which is great for my ageing back, and great that there is minimal performance difference....sadly more aerodynamic drag due to the larger front profile which probably reduces top speed, but then who spends any significant time at the end of the envelope?
3 hours ago, SkidsYou were riding the older Crossrunner, not the newer one based on the 2013+ 8th Gen. The Gentleman's seating position is the only real difference, which is great for my ageing back, and great that there is minimal performance difference....sadly more aerodynamic drag due to the larger front profile which probably reduces top speed, but then who spends any significant time at the end of the envelope?
For me and my aging body, it wasn't the upper body that gave me problems on my VFR; it was the lower body, specifically my knees (and especially the right one for some reason). If I'd kept my 6th gen. I'd have to have lowered the footpegs. Any ride over 2-3 hours had me popping my right knee very often, and sometimes during longer rides just dangling my legs once in a while during straight sections of road or on the freeway/interstate.
I should also mention that while my back was very rarely a problem, my neck would get very stiff during long rides, too, I think from "looking up" constantly in the crouched riding position. The bike I bought to replace my VFR has similar ergonomics to the VFR, but somewhat relaxed compared to the VFR. But even with those ergos, some owners install bar risers and a few lower footpegs, too. I'm fine with both.
All this leads me to believe something like the new NT1100 would work great for me for long days and tours, which is what it's built for in the first place.
Also, I agree with the others -- this thing needs a centerstand. Why on earth would you build a chain-driven ST machine and not include a centerstand on it?!
6 hours ago, TimCAlso, I agree with the others -- this thing needs a centerstand. Why on earth would you build a chain-driven ST machine and not include a centerstand on it?!
You could ask the same question of Kawasaki and Suzuki!
Honda have lost their way ☹️
I think a vtec 2nd gen crossrunner would be a better buy, I will have a test ride though.
I rode an CRF1000 DCT on a ride day when they were released, and MUCH preferred the ageing motor in my VTR1000F Superhawk for smooth thrust. Times change I guess, and the VTR would probably not meet Euro anything, but it was a lovely, loping motor on the open road. I agree with the comments about the lack of a centrestand, I don't get that at all, unless fitting that and the necessary cat is getting too hard. I'm also suprised at the panniers which seem wide but don't hold a helmet. There's a heap of unused real-estate between the tyre and the inside of the pannier which they could/should have used. Take a look at an OLD ST1300 if you want to see how they can do it properly, full-face in both panniers, relaxed room for a pillion's legs, centrestand, cats in the exhaust.
4 hours ago, MohawkHonda have lost their way ☹️
yes, remember the DN-01 ? (Do Not buy 1)
7 hours ago, VFRMANI think a vtec 2nd gen crossrunner would be a better buy, I will have a test ride though.
Superb bike VFRMAN. I'm on my second. :beer:
Mohawk, 11/15/2021 at 1:58 PMHonda have lost their way ☹️
Ya think?
https://ridermagazine.com/2021/11/17/2022-honda-navi-first-look-review/?oly_enc_id=6911J2506689H4Z
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29 minutes ago, vfrcapnYa think?
https://ridermagazine.com/2021/11/17/2022-honda-navi-first-look-review/?oly_enc_id=6911J2506689H4Z
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^ Say it isn't so....
5 hours ago, RC1237V^ Say it isn't so....
The accountants have finally taken over. 😔
HRC colors, Yoshi, Ohlins and subwoofer (boom!)
@ $1807 stock, they'll sell enough to keep Marc Marquez employed
That subwoofer area will fit a "nice" turbo.
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They've been selling these here as Grom knockoffs for years. Maybe Honda just gave up and decided to cash in.
This Grom and Monkey stuff is the bottom of the barrel trash coming from Honda, sad and unbelievable!
I can just imagine thousands of young unlicensed kids getting their hands on them screaming around the streets.
Honda have lost the plot! The "Street" range of bikes are ugly (only my opinion) and of course there is no Sports Touring category, nothing that resembles a classic VFR. :angry:
1 hour ago, GrumThis Grom and Monkey stuff is the bottom of the barrel trash coming from Honda, sad and unbelievable!
I can just imagine thousands of young unlicensed kids getting their hands on them screaming around the streets.
Honda have lost the plot! The "Street" range of bikes are ugly (only my opinion) and of course there is no Sports Touring category, nothing that resembles a classic VFR. :angry:
Grum.
Agree with your last sentence. But, as a young unlicensed kid who got my hands on a Hodaka-powered minibike and went screaming around the streets, I have to say, this is the plot!
More than Honda have lost the plot imo, thank God we have some real bikes to enjoy and forget all the other bullshit.
3 hours ago, GrumI can just imagine thousands of young unlicensed kids getting their hands on them screaming around the streets.
Like this in LA??
It's been going on for years.
Warning: link is to the gram
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CWWtEG9sDVx
Hope you like Zeppelin.
The Grom and Monkey owners I know love them and if they sell them them it's "to get a bigger bike"
Whick is exactly what Honda want's them to do.
59 minutes ago, TirsoLike this in LA??
It's been going on for years.
Warning: link is to the gram
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CWWtEG9sDVx
Hope you like Zeppelin.
The Grom and Monkey owners I know love them and if they sell them them it's "to get a bigger bike"
Whick is exactly what Honda want's them to do.
That says it all, street mayhem...!!!
Love Led Zeppelin - Immigrant Song
Honda's ST replacement was the 1200 Veefalow...
27 minutes ago, GrumLike this in LA??
It's been going on for years.
Warning: link is to the gram
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CWWtEG9sDVx
Hope you like Zeppelin.
If this is the best they can do, God help us!
Hey Wald, not me, that was Tirso who said it!
10 minutes ago, BusyLittleShopHonda's ST replacement was the 1200 Veefalow...
And a very fine replacement indeed! imo.
4 hours ago, GrumThis Grom and Monkey stuff is the bottom of the barrel trash coming from Honda, sad and unbelievable!
I can just imagine thousands of young unlicensed kids getting their hands on them screaming around the streets.
Honda have lost the plot! The "Street" range of bikes are ugly (only my opinion) and of course there is no Sports Touring category, nothing that resembles a classic VFR. :angry:
I got pulled over on my Suzuki 90 at 14 y.o. riding with my friend on his Trail 70. We both got a stern talking to by the LEO about riding with no license. The next Saturday we were at it again!! How the heck else was I supposed to learn how to ride? Thankfully my parents never found out - LOL. :biggrin: It's a right of passage . . .
11 hours ago, GrumHey Wald, not me, that was Tirso who said it!
Oops, my bad! However, my comment still applies. Have a great weekend!
Grum, 11/18/2021 at 6:14 PMAnd a very fine replacement indeed! imo.
True but owners never asked Honda to shaft drive their VFR... so I say
replace the $4148 dollar 40 lb shaft drive with a $800 4 pound belt
drive after all a maintenance free drive system doesn't have to cost
or weight as much as it does on the 1200cc Veefalo... in fact it can
be lighter than the current VFR 12 lb chain and sprocket...
$800 / 4 pound belt drive system
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$4148.00 / 40 pound shaft system...
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As looks concerned it’s got same character as a tin of emulsion paint.
I don't know why but I wouldn't like or trust belt drive.
Well, my son did...
On his road bicycle :laugh:
(cos he's too lazy to maintain the chain like I taught him to)
Grum, 11/18/2021 at 2:38 PMThis Grom and Monkey stuff is the bottom of the barrel trash coming from Honda, sad and unbelievable!
I can just imagine thousands of young unlicensed kids getting their hands on them screaming around the streets.
Honda have lost the plot! The "Street" range of bikes are ugly (only my opinion) and of course there is no Sports Touring category, nothing that resembles a classic VFR. :angry:
Had a Honda Trail CT70 when I was 9 and screamed around trails and dirt roads. 😁