I dont believe this! I was LITERALLY walking out the door to go change my beloved 02 (which is now getting long in the tooth) for a new 07 and I look on Google and find that Honda has applied for patents for a new VFR design.
When are we likely to see this??? I dont want to buy a new 07 if we're getting a 1000 next year, however the designs look far more sportbike than the current sport-tourer configuration.
Somebody help - I'm sitting here with a pocket full of cash and a pink slip.........(really!)
This has been discussed up and down. Do a search if you are interested in the details.
To summ it all up, go and get your 07 model and do not worry about the new design. It does not seem very likely on our time. Maybe our children... <_<
All of Honda's 08 line-up is posted now except the 250 scooter slot. Possibly the Japanese Forza taking the place of the Reflex......................not important here........ :rolleyes:
I've beat the crap out of my 02 for the last 52,000 miles w/o problem and can still smoke 90% of the bikes out there in the twisties. Why spend $8-12k for the same great bike. keep the 02 and spend a grand on Mods and upgrades, save all the extra money and Ins. cost for a new 09 whatever or second bike. :thumbsup:
W/ the release of the KTM RC8 Superbike at EICMA, I just might have to check one out next March... Had a chance to ride a 990 Adventure recently at the BMW Falling Leaf Rally in MO, nice bike...
It looks alot better then that but ugly CBR1000RR...
I'm slightly worried that Honda is going to continue their technology showcase with the next VFR (if there is one), and adopt that silly technology that cuts out a couple of cylinders when cruising.
But....
I decided a long time back, that keeping my '01 VFR and fettling it to be the bike I want is a much more practical option than upgrading. So while I'm interested in the VFR model's future, unless one comes out that has at least some of the features we've been waiting such a long time for, I'm not interested in an upgraded bike.
[image: View Post]enzed_viffer, on Nov 8 2007, 11:24 PM, said:
I'm slightly worried that Honda is going to continue their technology showcase with the next VFR (if there is one), and adopt that silly technology that cuts out a couple of cylinders when cruising.
But....
I decided a long time back, that keeping my '01 VFR and fettling it to be the bike I want is a much more practical option than upgrading. So while I'm interested in the VFR model's future, unless one comes out that has at least some of the features we've been waiting such a long time for, I'm not interested in an upgraded bike.
God help us if the VFR turns Hybrid on us! :blink:
That might mean they have to install a 200 pound RR on it to keep it from frying up on the road??!
[image: View Post]enzed_viffer, on Nov 8 2007, 05:24 PM, said:
I'm slightly worried that Honda is going to continue their technology showcase with the next VFR (if there is one), and adopt that silly technology that cuts out a couple of cylinders when cruising.
But....
Actually, I disagree here. The VFR already has VTEC, but it is a simplified system patched onto a peice of engineering.
If they shut off non-essencial cylinders properly, the cylinders that are not firing will have the valves open to reduce unnecessary pumping work. This requires that some more complex system is used that can hold the valves open.
That would probably mean that there would have to be a major upgrade in the valve system, and then true variable valve timing could be possible.
[image: View Post]Chev, on Nov 9 2007, 07:18 AM, said:
[image: View Post]enzed_viffer, on Nov 8 2007, 05:24 PM, said:
I'm slightly worried that Honda is going to continue their technology showcase with the next VFR (if there is one), and adopt that silly technology that cuts out a couple of cylinders when cruising.
But....
Actually, I disagree here. The VFR alreasy has VTEC, but it is a simplified system patched onto a peice of engineering.
If they shut off non-essencial cylinders properly, the cylinders that are not firing will have the valves open to reduce unnecessary pumping work. This requires that some more complex system is used that can hold the valves open.
That would probably mean that there would have to be a major upgrade in the valve system, and then true variable valve timing could be possible.
Honda already has it on the odyssey minivan. It's called VCM, variable cylinder management. It doesnt use any great valve technology. The system shuts off cylinders at highway speed. This system just cuts fuel to the cylinders to shut down. It is totally seamless.
Honda also has it in the new '08 Accord, but instead of shutting down 1 bank of cylinders, they can do a 3 - 4 - 6 cylinder configuration....its pretty neat. I was worried it wouldnt be a very smooth operation, but it is. May not be a terrible idea if Honda ever goes V5. Im guessing you'd need all 5 cylinders for highway stuff, but cruising at steady speed around town maybe run at 2 or 3 cylinders? IMHO much better idea than a hybrid bike? <_<
Actually, doesn't the new Concours 14 have true variable valve timing? I think we're going to see more of that, at least for touring and maybe sport-touring bikes.
I have no problem with VTEC. Mine really smoothed out after 10k mi. and I have to say it's very exhilarating to ride the heck outta this bike in the upper rpms. :D
I'm at the point where my bike needs some work, all routine stuff, minor maintenance and wear-and-tear parts replacement, but I'm looking at ~$1k's worth of parts and labor - some of which I'll do myself. I look at new bikes a lot, mostly for fun, I think about trading or selling my '04 and getting something else. But that's not gonna happen. I don't need a new bike, this one is perfect for me. (Plus at 18k mi. it's broken in!) I owe more on it than it's worth, and a higher bike payment is NOT in the budget. But with a bonus coming soon I will be able to afford all the stuff my VFR needs, plus maybe some minor mods and a new set of tires in the spring...PLUS some new riding gear. :thumbsup:
[image: View Post]kb2wji, on Nov 9 2007, 06:59 AM, said:
Honda also has it in the new '08 Accord, but instead of shutting down 1 bank of cylinders, they can do a 3 - 4 - 6 cylinder configuration....its pretty neat. I was worried it wouldnt be a very smooth operation, but it is. May not be a terrible idea if Honda ever goes V5. Im guessing you'd need all 5 cylinders for highway stuff, but cruising at steady speed around town maybe run at 2 or 3 cylinders? IMHO much better idea than a hybrid bike? <_<
Cadillac tried this technology years ago and had problems with uneven cylinder wear. Wonder what's been done to prevent this?
[image: View Post]TimC, on Nov 9 2007, 06:40 AM, said:
Actually, doesn't the new Concours 14 have true variable valve timing? I think we're going to see more of that, at least for touring and maybe sport-touring bikes.
Yes, it does. I'm not sure why we wouldn't also see it in supersport bikes to reduce the compromise between top-end power and mid-range torque. There are some potential weight and packaging issues, and probably some additional expense.
[image: View Post]Bent, on Nov 9 2007, 07:39 AM, said:
Cadillac tried this [V8-6-4] technology years ago and had problems with uneven cylinder wear. Wonder what's been done to prevent this?
It should go without saying that GM sucks. The C6 Corvette is the only thing they've been able to get half-right, and it's taken them over fifty to do it. :rolleyes:
Freakin' dealers - I drove downtown to OTD and the salesman - nice enough guy - came out to give my baby the once over - his jaw dropped. He said he's got customers with 6 month old bikes in worse condition than this. Unfortunately that jaw came back up quickly when I told him how many miles it had done (53K). He's a VFR owner too so I figured he's know 53K is nothing to these bikes. He went to ask the owner of the shop what he'd be willing to give as a trade in for the bike - he came back with an offer of $2500.
Yeah, right.... do I have 'IDIOT' tatoo'd on my forehead? I think not - I wished him well and came home. What a waste of time - I've now got the bike up for sale on craigslist (LA) for $4800 obo. I like the idea of selling it and putting an extra couple of thousand towards a gently used 06 with a warranty.
[image: View Post]marcoma, on Nov 9 2007, 01:05 PM, said:
Unfortunately that jaw came back up quickly when I told him how many miles it had done (53K). He's a VFR owner too so I figured he's know 53K is nothing to these bikes. He went to ask the owner of the shop what he'd be willing to give as a trade in for the bike - he came back with an offer of $2500.
This is another reason I'll be hanging onto my '04. AT 18k mi. already, it's got higher miles than most used bikes its age being sold privately and at dealers. Which means my trade-in value would stink. Of course, that mileage wouldn't keep the dealer from listing my bike for $2k more than I got for it...
Anyway, it's a moot point since I'm keeping my beloved VFR. And putting the spurs to 'er this Monday in SE Ohio! Woohoo!
Why would you sell your bike only to buy the same bike again? You could take the money you will be losing in the transaction and upgrade or replace every worn part of your bike and have a better bike than a new VFR.
[image: View Post]jeremy556, on Nov 9 2007, 10:24 AM, said:
Why would you sell your bike only to buy the same bike again? You could take the money you will be losing in the transaction and upgrade or replace every worn part of your bike and have a better bike than a new VFR.
Its a mileage thing - I travel about 24,000 miles a year on a bike as I use it to commute. Besides, I have been doing preventative maintenance like changing shocks, batteries, etc regularly anyways.
[image: View Post]fallzboater, on Nov 9 2007, 10:54 AM, said:
It should go without saying that GM sucks. The C6 Corvette is the only thing they've been able to get half-right, and it's taken them over fifty to do it. :rolleyes:
NO! You did NOT just say this!
What about Pontiac Aztec?
Like the greatest piece of engineering ever?
[image: View Post]marcoma, on Nov 9 2007, 01:46 PM, said:
[image: View Post]jeremy556, on Nov 9 2007, 10:24 AM, said:
Why would you sell your bike only to buy the same bike again? You could take the money you will be losing in the transaction and upgrade or replace every worn part of your bike and have a better bike than a new VFR.
Its a mileage thing - I travel about 24,000 miles a year on a bike as I use it to commute. Besides, I have been doing preventative maintenance like changing shocks, batteries, etc regularly anyways.
Even more so then, why? If you do PM the VFR should last for 100K+ miles, and if you trade now, you are only going to be taking all of the depreciation on another bike as you rack up big miles in the first couple years.
[image: View Post]jeremy556, on Nov 9 2007, 11:16 AM, said:
[image: View Post]marcoma, on Nov 9 2007, 01:46 PM, said:
[image: View Post]jeremy556, on Nov 9 2007, 10:24 AM, said:
Why would you sell your bike only to buy the same bike again? You could take the money you will be losing in the transaction and upgrade or replace every worn part of your bike and have a better bike than a new VFR.
Its a mileage thing - I travel about 24,000 miles a year on a bike as I use it to commute. Besides, I have been doing preventative maintenance like changing shocks, batteries, etc regularly anyways.
Even more so then, why? If you do PM the VFR should last for 100K+ miles, and if you trade now, you are only going to be taking all of the depreciation on another bike as you rack up big miles in the first couple years.
You do have a point but I'm getting to the time in the bikes life when it should have a major stripdown to ensure it lasts those glorious extra 100 thousand miles. I cant 1) find a dealer in my area competent enough to perform this 2) take the time to do it myself 3) justify the expense when the same cash could see me on a newer bike. Mmmmm - newer bike - see, theres that "new toy" factor to be considered too......... :thumbsup:
Yeah, I don't think I would sink money into a new one of the same generation. Just pick up a lightly used 06' and that will carry you over until they finally design something new. It would suck to buy a new 6th Gen VFR just before they come out with the new 7th gen VFR1000.
[image: View Post]Rice, on Nov 9 2007, 01:00 PM, said:
[image: View Post]fallzboater, on Nov 9 2007, 10:54 AM, said:
It should go without saying that GM sucks. The C6 Corvette is the only thing they've been able to get half-right, and it's taken them over fifty to do it. :rolleyes:
NO! You did NOT just say this!
What about Pontiac Aztec?
Like the greatest piece of engineering ever?
Nice looking bike. I can understand your reluctance to disclose the 53k mileage, but you will get a load of calls at that price and they will ALL ask for the mileage. Might as well disclose it and cut down on the bargain hunters.
Incidentally, I paid $4k for my '02 with 19k miles and in excellent condition. It's a stretch to call a bike mint after 53k, IMO, but maybe you can do it. Just the tiny chips on the faring and fender and normal oxidation of some of the aluminum will render it non-mint.
I also understand the appeal of "trading" for a new or lightly used bike, especially if you're not mister mechanic. You need a little peace of mind when you're traveling at a 24k/yr clip.
Take out your engine, send it to Dave Dodge and have him do a big bore kit, port and polish, under cut the transmission ect... you will have a new bike with alot more power for less money. You will also be the envy of every VFRD member. Thats what im going to do when my engine starts to go bad.
[image: View Post]Birdman, on Nov 9 2007, 04:36 PM, said:
Nice looking bike. I can understand your reluctance to disclose the 53k mileage, but you will get a load of calls at that price and they will ALL ask for the mileage. Might as well disclose it and cut down on the bargain hunters.
Incidentally, I paid $4k for my '02 with 19k miles and in excellent condition. It's a stretch to call a bike mint after 53k, IMO, but maybe you can do it. Just the tiny chips on the faring and fender and normal oxidation of some of the aluminum will render it non-mint.
I also understand the appeal of "trading" for a new or lightly used bike, especially if you're not mister mechanic. You need a little peace of mind when you're traveling at a 24k/yr clip.
Best of luck
Mileage is now disclosed. You'll be surprised at how good the bike is though. It gets ridden a lot but it also gets loved a lot. The screen has a couple of marks on it but the paintwork is immaculate - not like cars that have stone chips in them. The paintwork and metalwork get polished at least once a month which prevents most of the oxidation you refer to. Similarly, I don't use any old oil in the motor.
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Nov 12 2007, 04:03 PM, said:
Here it is, the 09 VFR-R (race model) spotted in testing recently. [image: Posted Image]
Do the tire warmers come with the bike? I would rather have them over side cases.. I love the way the headlights blend in with the paint as you cant even see them..LOL
[image: View Post]Nailer45, on Nov 12 2007, 04:10 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Nov 12 2007, 04:03 PM, said:
Here it is, the 09 VFR-R (race model) spotted in testing recently. [image: Posted Image]
Do the tire warmers come with the bike? I would rather have them over side cases.. I love the way the headlights blend in with the paint as you cant even see them..LOL
No lights as this is a shakedown session of the Race version! :rolleyes: Of course the street versions will have hard bags and lights! :salesman:
[image: View Post]Rice, on Nov 9 2007, 11:00 AM, said:
[image: View Post]fallzboater, on Nov 9 2007, 10:54 AM, said:
It should go without saying that GM sucks. The C6 Corvette is the only thing they've been able to get half-right, and it's taken them over fifty to do it. :rolleyes:
NO! You did NOT just say this!
What about Pontiac Aztec?
Like the greatest piece of engineering ever?
You take it back now. :pissed:
I don't know that the Aztec was engineered worse than any of their other cars, but I hope some fools lost their jobs over the styling. It's not even ugly in a lovable way, like a Citroen 2CV. I pity the GM employees that were reportedly forced to drive them, when the stealers couldn't give the cars away. There are a couple of Saturn models I would drive, but GM is doomed. Coding Horror: Aztec Forbes: GM Stumbles
Some of the BMW bikes are ugly in their weird, asymmetrical features, but at least in a form-follows-function sort of way. The only sporty bike I can think of that's really offensive is the Hayabusa, and it looks like they managed to "improve" it with the restyle this year.
[image: View Post]VFR_Brandon, on Nov 9 2007, 08:52 PM, said:
Take out your engine, send it to Dave Dodge and have him do a big bore kit, port and polish, under cut the transmission ect... you will have a new bike with alot more power for less money. You will also be the envy of every VFRD member. Thats what im going to do when my engine starts to go bad.
Who is the Dave Dodge referred to here? The only David Dodge I know is the retiring Governor of the Bank of Canada, and I will hazard a guess he doesn't build engines in his spare time....
[image: View Post]pm_wizard, on Nov 13 2007, 09:52 AM, said:
[image: View Post]VFR_Brandon, on Nov 9 2007, 08:52 PM, said:
Take out your engine, send it to Dave Dodge and have him do a big bore kit, port and polish, under cut the transmission ect... you will have a new bike with alot more power for less money. You will also be the envy of every VFRD member. Thats what im going to do when my engine starts to go bad.
Who is the Dave Dodge referred to here? The only David Dodge I know is the retiring Governor of the Bank of Canada, and I will hazard a guess he doesn't build engines in his spare time....
Whaddya know! The VFR finally sold...... I pretty much got what I was asking for it (so I'm glad I didn't cave in to lowballers) and the guy flew 3500 miles to get it and rode back to Canada. He loves the bike so I'm happy its gone to a good home and owner - he won't be disappointed.
[image: View Post]marcoma, on May 9 2008, 12:07 PM, said:
Whaddya know! The VFR finally sold...... I pretty much got what I was asking for it (so I'm glad I didn't cave in to lowballers) and the guy flew 3500 miles to get it and rode back to Canada. He loves the bike so I'm happy its gone to a good home and owner - he won't be disappointed.
Now to look for a new(er) one........
Never give in to Lowballers! When I was selling my VF500F in another life, the first guy to come see it pulled out all the stops. Brought his wife, his infant, told some story about needing cheap transportation, rode it, then told me it was worth almost nothing because of all the things wrong with it. I said thanks but no thanks. Two days later I sold it to a Brazilian grad student for what I was asking.
Just bought an 08 interceptor a week ago. Was searching the web for more info and found this picture of the 09.
And of course this site. Very nice from what I've seen.
This is a little discription of it:
Honda are now expected to build a non-VTEC, 1000cc V4 which will power their new VFR1000 sports-tourer. And unlike the existing VFR800, the new bike is likely to have USD forks at front, Honda�s Unit ProLink system at the back, and radially-mounted brakes with ABS.
[image: View Post]Fingers, on May 17 2008, 12:16 AM, said:
Hello,
Just bought an 08 interceptor a week ago. Was searching the web for more info and found this picture of the 09.
And of course this site. Very nice from what I've seen.
This is a little discription of it:
Honda are now expected to build a non-VTEC, 1000cc V4 which will power their new VFR1000 sports-tourer. And unlike the existing VFR800, the new bike is likely to have USD forks at front, Honda�s Unit ProLink system at the back, and radially-mounted brakes with ABS.
[image: Posted Image]
Sorry, but that was the same description and picture of the '07, '08, etc, which never arrived. It's time to face the facts, Honda is never going to deliver a new 1000cc VFR. If they do modify the model and come out with something updated, expect the VTEC to be an integral component.
Tired of waiting for the liter class V4. I went and added a Blackbird to the roost of Black bikes :) Too bad American Honda hasn't imported them since '03. New ones are still available in Europe and the land Down Under though.
[image: View Post]marid2apterbilt, on May 17 2008, 08:45 AM, said:
Like the rest of us, Your hoping Mother Honda will finally build a Busa killing VFR :wheel:
Is anyone really that delusional? I just want one that can keep the Busa's taillights in sight on the straights! :biggrin:
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