94-97 VFR 850RR

HI, I just picked up a 1997 VFR Road Race project that was started and never completed. It has a never started G-Force 850 race motor, polished frame, swingarm, engine side covers, valve covers, Kosman triples and inverted GSXR 750 forks. It also has Fox racing shock, Marchesini wheels, PM 6-piston calipers, huge iron rotors, Air-Tech RVF Race glass, Etc.Etc. The vin # is JH2RC3616RM******, which is similar to my 94 VFR? Can anyone tell me if this is a 94 or 97? The seller has moved numerous times and lost all paperwork and most of the stock parts that they took off. He built a one off Ducati like undertail exhaust, but didn't leave any room for the electrial parts( battery,Rear coils , etc.) so I'll have to modify exhaust. I'll post pics soon, any help on vin- model year appreciated, Tom

[image: View Post]trjerm, on 31 August 2010 - 11:09 AM, said:

HI, I just picked up a 1997 VFR Road Race project that was started and never completed. It has a never started G-Force 850 race motor, polished frame, swingarm, engine side covers, valve covers, Kosman triples and inverted GSXR 750 forks. It also has Fox racing shock, Marchesini wheels, PM 6-piston calipers, huge iron rotors, Air-Tech RVF Race glass, Etc.Etc. The vin # is JH2RC3616RM******, which is similar to my 94 VFR? Can anyone tell me if this is a 94 or 97? The seller has moved numerous times and lost all paperwork and most of the stock parts that they took off. He built a one off Ducati like undertail exhaust, but didn't leave any room for the electrial parts( battery,Rear coils , etc.) so I'll have to modify exhaust. I'll post pics soon, any help on vin- model year appreciated, Tom

no clue about the year, but I'll try and beat everyone else to this..
:worthlesswithoutpics:

Is this the ex-Reg Pridmore bike? Black & red?

Would love to see pics for sure!!

Wow, got to have some pics of it then. Welcome, I'm not sure about which model years had which vin numbers, but I'm not sure if it would make a difference (94-97 are all same model)? If you have any tech questions then there's always somebody here to answer it, and don't forget those pics :fing02:

Why do you need to know the exact year? I could go look on my 96 and see what the numbers are, but not sure how that would help.

http://www.motoverse.../vinDecoder.asp

That states that you have a 1994 but it dodn't like the asterisks.

maybe you can go there and put in the actual number but I believe that it is the letter "M" in your serial number that identifies the year.

PICS!

keith

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 31 August 2010 - 11:12 AM, said:

Is this the ex-Reg Pridmore bike? Black & red?

Would love to see pics for sure!!

That was my very first thought too but I seem to recall the ebay pics of it showed a vfr single seat tail (airtech?) and a left side exhaust. And that bike was a runner too (track days).

Oh yeah, and another :cheerleader:

[image: View Post]FotoMoto, on 31 August 2010 - 01:41 PM, said:

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 31 August 2010 - 11:12 AM, said:

Is this the ex-Reg Pridmore bike? Black & red?

Would love to see pics for sure!!

That was my very first thought too but I seem to recall the ebay pics of it showed a vfr single seat tail (airtech?) and a left side exhaust. And that bike was a runner too (track days).

Oh yeah, and another :cheerleader:

You're right, I found it! This is the bike that BLS worked on a while back, belonged to someone named Jodie? If the OP got it for the listed price, it was a damn good deal IMO!

http://cgi.ebay.com/...35?cmd=ViewItem

You'll recognize the paint... no cush drive on this thing! And apparently never ridden...

I know beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder and all, but that paint is wretched.

[image: View Post]trjerm, on 31 August 2010 - 11:09 AM, said:

... The vin # is JH2RC3616RM******, which is similar to my 94 VFR? Can anyone tell me if this is a 94 or 97? I've got a 5th gen parts catalog at home that breaks down every gigit in the VIN and it's meaning. I'll let you now when I get home from work.

Don't tell the BOSS I'm lurking...
:cheerleader:

BTW welcome and I think you may have a nice bike... sure would like to see it!

It s a real nice paint job. I saw the side shots some time ago. Always wondered what it would be like as a runner..
If the engine is good to go, i would think its well priced.
Should make awesome track bike, bike has always been one of my top 10 VFRs from around the globe!
Hope you can do it justice.

4 the love of god...

that's been my desktop background for over a year...

and the driving force for my frickin year long (so far) project...

Just BEAUTIFUL!


** that price said 3g?* WTF you stole that thing ;-)
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or is this a pic of a different bike?

[image: View Post]taglicious, on 31 August 2010 - 03:26 PM, said:

4 the love of god...

that's been my desktop background for over a year...

and the driving force for my frickin year long (so far) project...

Just BEAUTIFUL!


** that price said 3g?* WTF you stole that thing ;-)
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or is this a pic of a different bike?


Same bike...heres another crazy oneStreetfighter

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 31 August 2010 - 02:19 PM, said:

You're right, I found it! This is the bike that BLS worked on a while back, belonged to someone named Jodie?

No, I meant Pridmore's bike that was also on ebay a while back. It has the 90's era tearing stripes paint design (a'la two brothers), single seat, and left side exhaust plus a whole lot more. I'm pretty sure it didn't have upside-downy forks either.


To the OP: I think changing over to a conventional exhaust (high or low mount) will give you plenty of room in the tail for electrics and fuel pump. I personally wouldn't want to put the battery up there; especially a heavy lead acid type. You might want to look into the new tech lithium power packs; more money than conventional but an elegant and simple solution. One company I know of is speedcell.

[image: View Post]taglicious, on 31 August 2010 - 03:26 PM, said:

4 the love of god...
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or is this a pic of a different bike?

That's the bike!

[image: View Post]VFRgenius, on 31 August 2010 - 03:41 PM, said:

Same bike...heres another crazy oneStreetfighter

That was listed a few months ago for $8000... I think he's gonna relist it at least one more time...

[image: View Post]FotoMoto, on 31 August 2010 - 03:48 PM, said:

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 31 August 2010 - 02:19 PM, said:

You're right, I found it! This is the bike that BLS worked on a while back, belonged to someone named Jodie?

No, I meant Pridmore's bike that was also on ebay a while back. It has the 90's era tearing stripes paint design (a'la two brothers), single seat, and left side exhaust plus a whole lot more. I'm pretty sure it didn't have upside-downy forks either.

I meant that you were right in saying I guessed wrong. Got excited about e-(leg) humping the new guy's bike... lol

Reg's (ex) bike:
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Other than the now questionable paintjob (It looked good to me a couple of years ago when I first saw it), I sure like this bike more than Pridmore's.
I wish I had $3K and some time to spare too and I'll be all over that project bike!
Congratulations! now you can show everyone the possible sport that Honda let fade away from the VFRs when you get her running! :dry: And it's a 4th gen too!! :fing02:

Beck
95 VFR

[image: View Post]trjerm, on 31 August 2010 - 11:09 AM, said:

... The vin # is JH2RC3616RM******, which is similar to my 94 VFR? Can anyone tell me if this is a 94 or 97?
Alright Tom, here's the deal on the VIN:
1st three digits JH2 = Honda MC made in Japan
Next 4 are the vehicle description code, RC36 = VFR750
Next are check digits to check for errors
R = the year 1994 (1980 = A, '81 = B and so on; Except exclude the letters I, O, Q, U) Note: corrected 1980 = A, 1980 and earlier had frame numbers and a different numbering scheme
M = plant representation is the Hamamatsu factory in Japan
rest of the numbers are the sequential production number

attached is the Honda doc for the construction of a VIN. Hope this helps...
:goofy:

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thanks rush for the link on the vins, the picture of the bike in driveway is the same bike, since then they added marchesini wheels and had the 850 G-Force motor built and it hasn't been started. Its going to need some alterations to the exhaust, a secound radiator under the original, relocate the oil cooler under the radiator, reinstall of wiring, etc. 1ST I'll have to get it through the DMV verification process, therefore stock gauges, lites etc. Luckily I have another 94 (53K, 954 shock, gold valve,Pilot Powers 120/180, corbin seat, yosh slip on, spigler kit for k&n superbike bars) that I can borrow parts from. My camera and computor are down therefore using my girlfriends @ present. Ideas on lite wt. dash , lights etc, would be helpfull, thanks again on the vin help rush

[image: View Post]trjerm, on 01 September 2010 - 10:08 AM, said:

thanks rush for the link on the vins, the picture of the bike in driveway is the same bike, since then they added marchesini wheels and had the 850 G-Force motor built and it hasn't been started. Its going to need some alterations to the exhaust, a secound radiator under the original, relocate the oil cooler under the radiator, reinstall of wiring, etc. 1ST I'll have to get it through the DMV verification process, therefore stock gauges, lites etc. Luckily I have another 94 (53K, 954 shock, gold valve,Pilot Powers 120/180, corbin seat, yosh slip on, spigler kit for k&n superbike bars) that I can borrow parts from. My camera and computor are down therefore using my girlfriends @ present. Ideas on lite wt. dash , lights etc, would be helpfull, thanks again on the vin help rush
No problem, glad I could help... looks like you got a great deal on a nice project bike! :wub:
Look forward to seeing & reading about your progress
:biggrin:

the dmv or mva or what ever its called in your state.. doesnt care about body work.. so take it all off.. find a cheap upper with a headlight in it.. and big clunky turn sigs. ditto for the tail.
even if it from a 1986 kz 500 just throw them on to pass the safey inspection..
the put you good stuff on after you find some nice small LED flush mount sigs.. and figure out what heat light you going to use.

as for the gauge.. i have a honda reble 250 speedo.. it has all you need , speed up to 85 mph speedo and idiot lights
put in your vapor or whatever you plan to use after inspection.

I guess you are not finishing this up as a "track only" bike then.
One thing to watch out for these days is a lot of state DMVs and LEOs are looking closer into exhaust systems and require having the stock exhaust system on for inspections and registration.
At least you don't have to deal with other things like Oxygen sensors amd catalytic converters with this 4th gen. All you might need to do is stick on a stock can (which have been going for real cheap at eBay when they turn up) if you do need to get one for the DMV "show and tell".

Beck
95 VFR

Love that bike! Maybe we can see some current pics????

Looks like plenty of room for a battery in the tail?

Been waiting to see it completed since I first saw a pic years ago. UPDATES PLEASE!

[image: View Post]trjerm, on 01 September 2010 - 10:08 AM, said:

the picture of the bike in driveway is the same bike, since then they added marchesini wheels
How do you know they didn't just paint the blue wheels black ? BLS did a single-nut conversion on the final drive - it may have had an RC30/RC45 wheel on it.

[image: View Post]trjerm, on 31 August 2010 - 11:09 AM, said:

HI, I just picked up a 1997 VFR Road Race project that was started and never completed. It has a never started G-Force 850 race motor, polished frame, swingarm, engine side covers, valve covers, Kosman triples and inverted GSXR 750 forks. It also has Fox racing shock, Marchesini wheels, PM 6-piston calipers, huge iron rotors, Air-Tech RVF Race glass, Etc.Etc. The vin # is JH2RC3616RM******, which is similar to my 94 VFR? Can anyone tell me if this is a 94 or 97? The seller has moved numerous times and lost all paperwork and most of the stock parts that they took off. He built a one off Ducati like undertail exhaust, but didn't leave any room for the electrial parts( battery,Rear coils , etc.) so I'll have to modify exhaust. I'll post pics soon, any help on vin- model year appreciated, Tom
Yes, as stated below, it (well, the VIN) says it is a '94. A California model, actually (RC360 is 49-state; RC361 is CA-spec). I suspect some of the CA-spec vapor recovery equipent might be missing, though...

Ciao,

[image: View Post]trjerm, on 31 August 2010 - 11:09 AM, said:

HI, I just picked up a 1997 VFR Road Race project that was started and never completed. It has a never started G-Force 850 race motor, polished frame, swingarm, engine side covers, valve covers, Kosman triples and inverted GSXR 750 forks. It also has Fox racing shock, Marchesini wheels, PM 6-piston calipers, huge iron rotors, Air-Tech RVF Race glass, Etc.Etc. The vin # is JH2RC3616RM******, which is similar to my 94 VFR? Can anyone tell me if this is a 94 or 97? The seller has moved numerous times and lost all paperwork and most of the stock parts that they took off. He built a one off Ducati like undertail exhaust, but didn't leave any room for the electrial parts( battery,Rear coils , etc.) so I'll have to modify exhaust. I'll post pics soon, any help on vin- model year appreciated, Tom

Nice project bike!!

So how's the geometry sorted out? Are you using RC36 numbers (wheelbase, trail, rake, heights, etc) or modifying in some way??

Just a little update on vfr850rr, turns out it doesn't have marchesini wheels, but rc45 rear and a f3 front. The motor has 929 .5mm o/s pistons, knifeedged, balanced and shotpeened crank, stock cams resurfaced and ground to hrc rc30 specs, ported and polished and slightly decked heads, and jetted stock carbs. was going to run full loss ignition, therefore didn,t have rotor and stator or starter. Lukily they were in the box with a basically stock wiring harness that I tore apart and checked and repaired. I've also rebuilt the carbs (130 mains and adjustable needles) and then I rebuilt a set of 49 state carbs, then swiched jet kit to them. The motor has never been oiled, so I pulled valve covers, oiled cams, put a little in each cylinder and filled crankcase. I also had to connect oil cooler, radiator, hook up wiring harness after I installed stock subframe. Then I put on stock 94 vfr bodywork , fairing brackets etc and took it to the CHP today for VIN verifacation(still had slicks on it). Then came home and made some spacers for the PM calipers, hooked uo banjo bolt switches to both brackes and clutch , hooked up braided lines and bled everything. I also picked up a pair of VTR 1000 yosh cans @ a garage sale for $10.00 and a $5.00 2" 45 that I used to rig up a mid- high mount rt exhaust. I'm taking it down to sacramento tomorrow for brake and light , then to chandelle motorsports to break in motor and fine tune on their dyno(they tune for eron bros and don't know which team their tuning for this year in AMA, but their good. I kinda like the old rased up ebay body work on it, it'll be a hell of a sweet sleeper. Oh ya I started it and have done 6 10 min heat cycles so far for the special coating on bearing and pistons and it isn't overly loud w/ yosh can. Once I get it thru DMV then I'll started working on dual undertail exhaust that'll work with a wiring harness, battery etc. I also ordered an rc45 style headlites so I guess I'll have to learn how to do fiberglass mod. for them and the kick stand. Also the racetech bodywork wasn't ever fastened , just 2 5mm bolt in the tail section and 3 on the upper/lower. Its been fun so far, Thanks Tom

Way to get some work done!! Woot! :cheerleader:

Now if only we could get you to take pictures... they really make the story so much better! :fing02:

Nice work, +1 on the pics are a must

I've been trying to fit the RC45 bodywork on a 4th gen as well, started out working on my current one and then picked up another to rebuild and put my mods on. What headlights did you find? I got a pair from Aztec8 and they look pretty good quality.
This is how far I got before:
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but now I've restarted and am about here (maybe a little further along):
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I'd like to modify the engine like yours sometime, but right now I'm just going to settle for a jet kit and TBR headers and get it on the road. An electric water pump would be nice too...

love it... PROJECT MODE el o el

Still haven't got my computor back, so no pics, but I do have a new license plate. Had to track down both previous owners for statement of facts, get chp vin verifacation, brake and light inspection, then back to dmv in P'ville, but they wanted brake and light certifacates from licensed adjuster. So I made appointment, but they required dot tires(not slicks), so I canceled my appointment and took a chance and drove down to Folsom DMV. I arrived @ 7:40am and they opened@ 8, buy 8:20 I had my new plates in hand. Now I need to get the lights installed(when they arrive as well as new PP2CTs). The bike starts runs and sounds healthy. I still need to make some fairing brackets, figure out some sort of instrumentation, make brackets for mounting lights, turn signals, license plate and dash. I may also move ignition switch to the now used shock adjustment window in the left mid frame. I couldn't resist and rode it over to a friends house. Brakes still need a little work and I think I'll increase the rear preload and or raise the rear. Definately not going to be a long distance ride, but should be a hoot on the back roads. thanks for the interest, Tom PS I've got lots of pics on my camera but no way to download on my girlfreinds computor, but it still looks like pics that were downloaded except it has an exhaust,wiring, carbs, etc and now starts and runs

So am i reading right? The race engine that has had all that priceless work done, ready for the track including total loss with i guess a crank balance etc. Then the big bore with carb. work has now been butchered with standard bodywork, standard carbs, lights and a number plate for back street kicks?
That makes me feel sad.
I would gladly swap/buy a low mileage perfect condition VFR for that 850RR in the legendary trim it was picked up for! Just a shame i am on the isle of man, miles away!
Am i missing something?
I know its not for me to say what should be done with this trick bike as i never bought it, but the amount of money that has been saved in the purchase price here, compared to any decent VFR race build runs into four figure sums $$$$.
There is no way you will benefit or get to experience the full difference from the race trim compared to a standard road trim VFR on the road or back street!
Name your price for the engine and exhaust system, sub-frames and race bodywork etc with postage to uk. At least then i could start saving and would put the good stuff to the use intended. Racing on a track! The price will be a fraction of the cost to do that trick work originally done.
Its not just the price of the work done, its the expertness used to do it!
I would seriously consider swapping or selling my VFR with both road and race ready sets of bodywork avaliable, ready and working to bolt on.
Or at least please put my tiny mind to rest and tell me im wrong and ive made a mistake.
That bike should either be in a museum or on a race track, not some back street brawl.
:lobby:

You still have a camera that uses film?
And your gf's PC only takes floppy disks? :laughing6-hehe:

Without recent pics, this bike doesnot exist.


:lurk:

Thomas

I just missed out on a $1,250 4th gen this week. I was going to make it my track day toy.

I too am sad if you are putting this on the street. Glad to see it in someones hands who will complete though. Keep us up to date and post some some pics. :biggrin:

Tell me you are not going to leave all the stock bodywork, etc on it?

And it still doesn`t exist without pictures.

you guys are just lookin for wwackin material.. :computer-noworky: :laughing6-hehe:

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[image: View Post]taglicious, on 26 September 2010 - 10:53 PM, said:

you guys are just lookin for wwackin material.. :computer-noworky: :laughing6-hehe:
I must digress.

I am lucky to live in the self proclaimed motorcycle road racing capital of the world. And for good reason.
One is able to immerse among legendary bikes every week!

From the first bikes ever produced including similar innovative early machines to the latest TT wining 200mph+ road racing rocket ship fireblade.

Just a few weeks ago i was walking around the Manx GP paddock. The Suzuki RG exhibition, featuring world GP bikes from the 80's, thru to the 90's including the mk7 RG500 square 4's and the 'GP' carbon framed RG500 among other rare legendary race bikes. Notably included was a Joey Dunlop Gemini Honda RS250.
This therefore brings me back to the haloed VFR, of which i have recently had the pleasure to ogle over quite a few, winning works and private RC30's at the same event.

Just In case there's no one here that still does not know, the RC30 owes its production and development due to the failure of the VF series of chocolate cam Honda's. And therefore i suggest the development of most modern V4 World GP bikes. In comparison, the Suzuki square fours in the exhibition, although very popular and successful in their day, now look very outdated. I can also suggest and see why the development of Suzuki's has not progressed to today's winning GP levels.
The VFR was never designed as a race bike, but from 1986 became the unwitting champion from the US to here in the UK.

The facts....
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia--

Although not designed as a race bike, in 1986 British racer Ron Haslam took a standard VFR750F to third place in a soaked Transatlantic Challenge race at Donington Park, UK.

In the United States Fred Merkel and Wayne Rainey disputed the 1986 AMA Camel Pro Championship, which at the time had both Superbike and F1 races but only one championship, with the best finish of the day counting. Merkel just rode in the Superbike while Rainey did the F1 as well. Merkel won two races and Rainey seven but the championship was won by Flyin' Fred Merkel by only two points.

For 1987 Fred's bike was passed to Bubba Shobert who took 3rd place in 1987, being beaten by Wayne Rainey and Kevin Schwantz. The points he earned during the 1987 season gaining him victory in the AMA Grand National. In 1988 Shobert won 3 of the 7 races to win the AMA superbike championship.[1][2]

A very special VFR750F called the '6X', a full HRC prototype containing titanium valves and magnesium flat-slide carburetors and weighing even less than the factory RVF was first seen raced by Wayne Gardner at Suzuka against TT F1 machinery. Wayne trounced the opposition, smashing his 4 stroke lap record by 1.5s.

This 135hp / 188mph VFR '6X' was raced at the Isle of Man TT by Geoff Johnson, coming in 2nd to Joey Dunlop in both the F1 and Senior TT

The engine developed in the 6X became the basis for the factory racer, the VFR750R.

An engine race kit was available for the 1986 VFR from HRC for $4,000 (USD), including a titanium exhaust.


The relevant point i would like to add is although the VFR 850RR has nothing like titanium cams or is ever likely to win a major championship,(yet??) it would compete very well among the plethora of interesting historical bikes that do turn up here on the TT circuit.
The VFR is fast now officially becoming a classic bike. The engine first inception being 1986..
I do strongly consider it to be in the spirit of the first production VFR as it is lighter, more powerful and almost race ready, compared to the road going production bike.
One thing i am learning is that the bikes that seemingly look the most simplest in conception and finish, less being more, tend to be the ones that are most successful in racing and a pleasure to ride.

The amount of interest i currently get from my own race/road going VFR is enough for me to continue my own personal crusade for my VFR's.
There is plenty of historical interest still for those very first generation VFR's and a lot of lads who raced them are still racing here on the 37 mile TT course, although i have not yet seen any of those historical few first gens! I have been told there is one on the way and in the workshop at the moment!! But i will wait for it to arrive next to my bike in the paddock before i rant and rave.
In point of fact there is a large gap for the middle line of VFR's for a few reasons. Time, money, expertise being just three.

From Carl Foggarty to Nick Jefferys, being two most successful VFR riders i have had the pleasure to meet this season already. To Joey Dunlop, although no longer with us, RIP, the family are still here in strength. Still in the paddock racing are their mechanics and friends who still have a lot of interesting motorcycle experience to offer.

If we here on VFRD cannot hold a torch for some of the finest V4 two wheeled bikes, then who will????

I guess i should now start adding the relevant photos. But i dont have the time and patience for multiple uploads as im on a mobile dongle that slows things to a snails pace.
Maybe when i get time for another VFR Discussion. Besides I wouldn't want our fellow Taglicious to further lower the tone of ones personal experience, or lose another bastard child to the efforts of adding a useless sticky keyboard to the bottom of the tool box draw ....

Manx GP 2010.
Probably the worlds fastest bike, genuinely riding on public roads today! TT winner 2010.
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[image: View Post]B4D80Y, on 27 September 2010 - 09:53 AM, said:

Manx GP 2010.
Probably the worlds fastest bike, genuinely riding on public roads today! TT winner 2010.
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No rear brake at all? Really?!?

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 27 September 2010 - 10:09 AM, said:

[image: View Post]B4D80Y, on 27 September 2010 - 09:53 AM, said:

Manx GP 2010.
Probably the worlds fastest bike, genuinely riding on public roads today! TT winner 2010.

No rear brake at all? Really?!?

I know this is veering off from the original topic of this thread, but I do see a rear brake caliper & rotor, but no rear brake pedal by the right foot peg - thus, I suspect that this bike has a rear brake control somewhere on the handlebars (a la Mick Doohan, IIRC).

Its a full Honda HRC package built by Padgetts. Thumb rear brake.

I was gonna guess thumb, i can see the rotor and caliper as well as the brake line on the rear but obviously there is no foot lever for it....

Long live the racing V-4, maybe next year Honda can supply a new sporting model for the TT folks. If not, Aprilia has new frontiers to conquer with Max earning his 5th world title this past weekend...

[image: View Post]cornercarver, on 27 September 2010 - 02:49 PM, said:

Long live the racing V-4, maybe next year Honda can supply a new sporting model for the TT folks.
I gave up saying that 10 years ago. We can only dream.

[image: View Post]B4D80Y, on 27 September 2010 - 05:14 PM, said:

[image: View Post]cornercarver, on 27 September 2010 - 02:49 PM, said:

I was gonna guess thumb, i can see the rotor and caliper as well as the brake line on the rear but obviously there is no foot lever for it....

Long live the racing V-4, maybe next year Honda can supply a new sporting model for the TT folks. If not, Aprilia has new frontiers to conquer with Max earning his 5th world title this past weekend...
I gave up saying that 10 years ago. We can only dream.

Well, heres to hoping the new production engine rules in MotoGP get Honda to make us an RVF1000RR! "A dream is a wish your heart makes, la da da da da"

Ease up, team... my guess is that Tom is putting the stock bodywork etc. on simply so the bike can be titled/registered. I'd do the same thing.

I do hope it is eventually returned to its original form, though. Certainly one of the cleanest, meanest 4th Gens ever, and it has some history - even if that history is largely to do with all of us having lusted over it for the last 8+ years since the original pics surfaced on sportsbikepictures.net!

Tom, as inspiration to keep her the way she was - here's an Aussie 4th Gen that has a similar level of modification:


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Also, and this is the big news - Tom seems to have confirmed that CBR929 pistons will go into the VFR motor with an overbore, which is a question we've been pondering for years. Thanks Tom! I'm off to shop for a set of pistons.

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on 28 September 2010 - 01:25 PM, said:

Also, and this is the big news - Tom seems to have confirmed that CBR929 pistons will go into the VFR motor with an overbore, which is a question we've been pondering for years. Thanks Tom! I'm off to shop for a set of pistons.


So, CBR929 pistons will work in my 4th gen with an over bore giving it 929cc?

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on 28 September 2010 - 01:25 PM, said:

Also, and this is the big news - Tom seems to have confirmed that CBR929 pistons will go into the VFR motor with an overbore, which is a question we've been pondering for years. Thanks Tom! I'm off to shop for a set of pistons.


So, CBR929 pistons will work in my 4th gen with an over bore giving it 929cc?

[image: View Post]B4D80Y, on 28 September 2010 - 01:46 PM, said:

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on 28 September 2010 - 01:25 PM, said:

Also, and this is the big news - Tom seems to have confirmed that CBR929 pistons will go into the VFR motor with an overbore, which is a question we've been pondering for years. Thanks Tom! I'm off to shop for a set of pistons.


So, CBR929 pistons will work in my 4th gen with an over bore giving it 929cc?

Sorry Kev - different stroke, you'll get somewhere between 837 and 850cc. The 837 comes from the original overbore capacity with TTS pistons, as done around ten years ago by Dynamo Humm in Quebec, the 850 comes from Tom's description of the bike in this topic. You need to calculate the actual displacement using the VFR stroke measurement and the CBR929(+06mm) bore measurement. I'd do it but I'm too lazy :)

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on 28 September 2010 - 01:55 PM, said:

[image: View Post]B4D80Y, on 28 September 2010 - 01:46 PM, said:

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on 28 September 2010 - 01:25 PM, said:

Also, and this is the big news - Tom seems to have confirmed that CBR929 pistons will go into the VFR motor with an overbore, which is a question we've been pondering for years. Thanks Tom! I'm off to shop for a set of pistons.


So, CBR929 pistons will work in my 4th gen with an over bore giving it 929cc?

Sorry Kev - different stroke, you'll get somewhere between 837 and 850cc. The 837 comes from the original overbore capacity with TTS pistons, as done around ten years ago by Dynamo Humm in Quebec, the 850 comes from Tom's description of the bike in this topic. You need to calculate the actual displacement using the VFR stroke measurement and the CBR929(+06mm) bore measurement. I'd do it but I'm too lazy :)
thaught so, wishful thinking, lol

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on 28 September 2010 - 01:25 PM, said:

Sorry Kev - different stroke, you'll get somewhere between 837 and 850cc. The 837 comes from the original overbore capacity with TTS pistons, as done around ten years ago by Dynamo Humm in Quebec, the 850 comes from Tom's description of the bike in this topic. You need to calculate the actual displacement using the VFR stroke measurement and the CBR929(+06mm) bore measurement. I'd do it but I'm too lazy :)
Legendary UK V4 tuner, Tony Scott, allegedly once built just such a VFR750 engine using 900RR pistons--this probably inspired the builders of this particular engine, I'd say...

I always found it amusing that the V4 NC30 and I4 NC29 used pistons with the exact same part numbers...

Ciao,

[image: View Post]JZH, on 28 September 2010 - 04:01 PM, said:

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on 28 September 2010 - 01:25 PM, said:

Sorry Kev - different stroke, you'll get somewhere between 837 and 850cc. The 837 comes from the original overbore capacity with TTS pistons, as done around ten years ago by Dynamo Humm in Quebec, the 850 comes from Tom's description of the bike in this topic. You need to calculate the actual displacement using the VFR stroke measurement and the CBR929(+06mm) bore measurement. I'd do it but I'm too lazy :)
Legendary UK V4 tuner, Tony Scott, allegedly once built just such a VFR750 engine using 900RR pistons--this probably inspired the builders of this particular engine, I'd say...

I always found it amusing that the V4 NC30 and I4 NC29 used pistons with the exact same part numbers...

Ciao,


Looks like there are some 929 pistons on fleabay for �35... i might save myself �400 notes and stick some in a draw for later.....

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on 28 September 2010 - 01:25 PM, said:

Also, and this is the big news - Tom seems to have confirmed that CBR929 pistons will go into the VFR motor with an overbore, which is a question we've been pondering for years. Thanks Tom! I'm off to shop for a set of pistons.

OH Man, I thought I was going to rest after "Phase 1" of my "Tracken Viffer" build and now I read this about 929 pistons and I have a "donor" motor laying around and access to one of the best "Vee" motor guys around. This is soooo tempting maybe in a bit because I can't afford another wife and a big bore modification right now... Hmmm... The wife is to good to get rid of... What is the price of blood per pint these days... Mine would be better if they priced it by beer content per pint.... :beer:

Seriously, I wish the bike would remain a track weapon instead of wearing a plate but more importantly it is awesome to see it being finished and RIDEN and not collecting dust.

We are passionate about our VFR's and it is awesome! Only here would I consider putting thousands of $$ into a $450.00 VFR that I found one step away from a trash bin because of the knowledge base found on this site.

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on 28 September 2010 - 01:22 PM, said:

Ease up, team... my guess is that Tom is putting the stock bodywork etc. on simply so the bike can be titled/registered. I'd do the same thing.

I do hope it is eventually returned to its original form, though. Certainly one of the cleanest, meanest 4th Gens ever, and it has some history - even if that history is largely to do with all of us having lusted over it for the last 8+ years since the original pics surfaced on sportsbikepictures.net!

Tom, as inspiration to keep her the way she was - here's an Aussie 4th Gen that has a similar level of modification:


http://farm5.static....3c02137b4_b.jpg

http://farm5.static....d9b207270_b.jpg

http://farm5.static....77477c166_b.jpg

http://farm5.static....805326fb5_b.jpg



Coolest looking VFR fairing evar! :fing02:

Larry
VFRrider

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better :beer:

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on 28 September 2010 - 01:25 PM, said:

Also, and this is the big news - Tom seems to have confirmed that CBR929 pistons will go into the VFR motor with an overbore, which is a question we've been pondering for years. Thanks Tom! I'm off to shop for a set of pistons.

Cool, but what other mods are req'd? It a lot of work right... which is not obvious by simply saying "929 pistons will fit in".

[image: View Post]Stealth, on 29 September 2010 - 09:21 PM, said:

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on 28 September 2010 - 01:25 PM, said:

Also, and this is the big news - Tom seems to have confirmed that CBR929 pistons will go into the VFR motor with an overbore, which is a question we've been pondering for years. Thanks Tom! I'm off to shop for a set of pistons.

Cool, but what other mods are req'd? It a lot of work right... which is not obvious by simply saying "929 pistons will fit in".

It is possible that the piston tops would need to be shaved but otherwise my guess is that they would be a straight fit onto the VFR conrods. The block would require boring, but that's about it.

So you'd need to budget for pistons, boring (and any associated work), gasket kit (which will probably cost more than the pistons) and labour if you didn't want to assemble the motor yourself. Of course, the piece of string is how long - you could also do some headwork, cam profile regrind, take some weight off the crank...

BLS might have some answers as he had a hand in the construction of the bike.

To those of you that think its a shame for it to become a streetbike that is ridden, YOU should have bought it, but you didn't, I did. I finally got the slicks swapped out for PP2CT's today, made sure the tailight/brakelight was working and that its new license plate was secure. I still haven't recieved my set of headlights and turn signals or figured out what to do about mirrors. I was thinking of getting a decal of a set of headlights and sticking it on the race fairing, that way I wouldn't have to cut any holes in Jody Matzler's (TheBikeman(and the person who started thebuild back in 12/98))awesome race bodywork. What is really a shame is that this beautiful/purposeful bike was never completed till I got it about a month ago. Now I can walk downstairs, turn on key and hit starter button and listen to it run(it starts easier than mt stock 94). I also had to have a set of adapters made by Otto(local awesome machinist) for the rear wheel so John Proto (preformance cycle) could mount & balance the RC45 rear wheel. I got the rear wheel back home @ approx. 2pm ,mounted it, torgued rear nut to 51ft/lbs, put safety wire back on axle nut & master link. Then tried rebleeding front brakes, but they still feel spongy, they work but the lever comes almost to the bars. I also checked the master cylinder and its marked nissin 5/8. Just wondering if its to small for moving 12 brake pistons. Anyway I got the brakes working OK, and rechecked all the fastners on the bodywork. Then took it down to the gas station in Pleasant Valley(10 miles) then up snows road to Camino, down Larsen to North Canyon(AppleHill) and by my brothers house, but he wasn't home so I turned around and headed home. The suspension felt a little soft in the front under braking, the rear felt OK, but I'm short shifting motor (can't exceed 6K for the 1st 500 miles) and the tires are brand new. I was suprised to see that even riding easy, I was to the edge of the rear tire and I only tickled my toes in about 20-30 corners. It was a pleasant back road ride and I didn't see any police.One of the main problems w/the VFR850RR is thats its so stunning that I will be pulled over if for no other reason than to check out the bike, so I'll have to make sure its streetlegal. I've still got to get the electronic tach and daytona water temp meter working and I've ordered a trail tech Vapor. My main areas of concern are the cooling system, I dson't know if the stock radiator even w/the fan wired to run continuosly will be adequate. What I'd like to find is a RC30 or 45 lower radiator, anyone have one they'd be willing to sell? Also the oil cooler doesn't get good air flow and there's clearance issues if mounted under nose of fairing therefore need to mount under upper radiator and above RC lower radiator. On the issue of bastardizing the bike by running stock carbs, the engine was built to run on stock/jetted carbs, because they didn't have or want to pay the 8K for the RC30 race carbs. I haven't changed anything on motor except install the starter idler gear, starter and reinstalled the rotor/stator assy and the wiring harness that came w/it. I had to have my home painted this summer and the lowest bid was 3K if I supplied the paint, so I spent the better part of a month stripping ,sanding, priming and painting. Then I saw the bike on ebay and I was the only one who went to look @ it. I decided to spend the 3K I saved by painting my house on it. I also didn't close the deal till after the ebay listing expired, so you all had a chance to purchase the bike.

You tell 'em! A bike like that deserves to be ridden, and if that means a stature and headlights so be it! That doesn't make it any less of a bike. Be a share to cut the failing for a light tho. But if you don't intend on racing it, who cares. Awesome bike for an equally awesome price!

I'd paint it flat black.

[image: View Post]trjerm, on 01 October 2010 - 01:07 AM, said:

To those of you that think its a shame for it to become a streetbike that is ridden, YOU should have bought it, but you didn't, I did. I finally got the slicks swapped out for PP2CT's today, made sure the tailight/brakelight was working and that its new license plate was secure....
Don't sweat'em trjerm. My CCS middleweight supersport bike and my road bike are the SAME BIKE. The only good bike is a bike that gets RIDDEN!!! On the track or on the street.

Hello, I took a great pic of the VFR850RR @ sunset, but cant figure out how to post it here, so if someone who knows how to post pics sends me their email , I'll send email with whats my favorite VFR pic, thanks Tom,,

Also to those that think this bike that'd never been started, belongs in a museum or racetrack only, my question is why? I have a bike that deserves to be in a museum, my 1969 Kawasaki A7RA, which is 1 of 2 built for the 69 Daytona 200 race, It is also one of the first Kawasaki Green bikes, 1st w/ drycluch, 1st w/"H1R 4 le leading shoe front brake, 1st w/ electronic ignition etc (69 team bikes were the first kawa's painted green by molly). The other A7RA was sent back to japan after daytona and its frame, suspension, fairing, brakes etc were adapted to acept the new H1 motor and it became the H1R. It is probably the rarest Kawasaki roadracer in existance and it definately deserves to be in a museum and not on a racetrack(am building a replica/tribute bike that I could consider tacking to a track)

:fing02: :fing02:




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Bye bye Thomas......

BUMP!!!!

[image: View Post]Dutchy, on 02 October 2010 - 07:03 PM, said:

:fing02: :fing02:




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Very nice, what sprocket carrier is that? congrats on getting it on the road

[image: View Post]mrmatt, on 04 October 2010 - 09:02 AM, said:

Very nice, what sprocket carrier is that? congrats on getting it on the road

I think that whatever it is is on a VFR400 hub? No cushdrive and single spindle to mount an aftermarket wheel.

It truly looks fantastic and after having seen images of the bike floating around the net for 5-6 years, it is wonderful to see it up and running. Well done, Tom.

[image: View Post]trjerm, on 01 October 2010 - 11:17 PM, said:

Also to those that think this bike that'd never been started, belongs in a museum or racetrack only, my question is why? I have a bike that deserves to be in a museum, my 1969 Kawasaki A7RA, which is 1 of 2 built for the 69 Daytona 200 race, It is also one of the first Kawasaki Green bikes, 1st w/ drycluch, 1st w/"H1R 4 le leading shoe front brake, 1st w/ electronic ignition etc (69 team bikes were the first kawa's painted green by molly). The other A7RA was sent back to japan after daytona and its frame, suspension, fairing, brakes etc were adapted to acept the new H1 motor and it became the H1R. It is probably the rarest Kawasaki roadracer in existance and it definately deserves to be in a museum and not on a racetrack(am building a replica/tribute bike that I could consider tacking to a track)

Nice, but as you've found out here already... it doesn't exist without pics! :biggrin: Just razzin ya! Would love to see it hough. :smile:

[image: View Post]mrmatt, on 04 October 2010 - 09:02 AM, said:

Very nice, what sprocket carrier is that? congrats on getting it on the road

One-off by BusyLittleShop.

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:fing02: :fing02:




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Bye bye Thomas......



Ahhh, that`s better!

`cept I don`t get the "bye bye Thomas"?

[image: View Post]VF1000RS, on 08 October 2010 - 11:06 AM, said:

`cept I don`t get the "bye bye Thomas"?



Thomas the apostle who didnot believe Jezus' resurrection untill he saw proof :biggrin:

AWESOME bike :fing02:

I am with you on "riding it the way you want!" It is YOUR bike!

(for a guy)Its like having a beautiful wife and not ____ ____, (you get the idea)

Today I installed dual headlights on a cnc'd blue lexan headlight bracket that I had made so it would slide on/off the aluminum front fairing stay. Also reinstalled front wiring in new hangers on bottom of headlight bracket and moved ignition switch and vapor guages to the top of h/l bracket , but there just zip-tied so far. So still have to design/build mount for ignition switch w/ vapor mounted on top and a front oil cooler mount. It also seems that I need to put some more preload on the rear fox shock in that I bent the rear license plate this afternoon, not sure if it was a hard compression or possibly during power wheelies coming out of 1st and 2nd gear corners. It handles great and is a blast to ride. I still haven't cut out the headlight holes in fairing and the h/l decals haven't arrived yet. Also has anyone ever located the front coils below the carbs, I'm thinking of trying it, just to clean up the frame. thanks for the input Tom

[image: View Post]Dutchy, on 08 October 2010 - 11:24 AM, said:

[image: View Post]VF1000RS, on 08 October 2010 - 11:06 AM, said:

`cept I don`t get the "bye bye Thomas"?



Thomas the apostle who didnot believe Jezus' resurrection untill he saw proof :biggrin:


Makes sense now!

[image: View Post]trjerm, on 09 October 2010 - 12:46 AM, said:

Today I installed dual headlights on a cnc'd blue lexan headlight bracket that I had made so it would slide on/off the aluminum front fairing stay. Also reinstalled front wiring in new hangers on bottom of headlight bracket and moved ignition switch and vapor guages to the top of h/l bracket , but there just zip-tied so far. So still have to design/build mount for ignition switch w/ vapor mounted on top and a front oil cooler mount. It also seems that I need to put some more preload on the rear fox shock in that I bent the rear license plate this afternoon, not sure if it was a hard compression or possibly during power wheelies coming out of 1st and 2nd gear corners. It handles great and is a blast to ride. I still haven't cut out the headlight holes in fairing and the h/l decals haven't arrived yet. Also has anyone ever located the front coils below the carbs, I'm thinking of trying it, just to clean up the frame. thanks for the input Tom

Coils should be fine under the carbs.

This thread has the potential to be epic... just needs more pics!

hello again, just tinkerin in the garage on the vfr. I rode it down to Pleasant Valley yesterday afternoon for a burger and on the way home it started to make a terrible noice out of the back end, so I pulled over and checked it out, but couldn't see anything obvious. So I rode it home(2mi) slowly, and checked it out in the garage. I put it up on the pit bull and tried to move rear wheel back and forth and there was definately some binding. Then I noticed a nut that looked like it had backed off part of the way and was rubbing on the rear brake carrier. It turns out it was a rear wheel pin retainig nut, so I had to pull the rear rotor to get access to it and 3 of the 4 were loose! So I pulled all of them and reinstalled w/ red loctite as well as the rear rotor and sprocket nuts. Just got it back together(had to polish frame/ swingarm/ sidecovers/etc. and rewax body and wheels while it was apart. Now I'm heading downstairs to reprogram the Vapor guage( seems like the rpms are reading to high). Then I'll take it for another 20-40 mi test ride. Hopefully everything goes good. Tom

Glad to hear that turned out ok. Little reminder to everyone to double check critical fasteners on any used bike you ride. Just never know exactly what is/is not right.

Hi again, took it out for about 100mi ride today. I rode the back roads down to P'ville, then 49 to 193 to kelsey and across to garden valley. Then took Marshall grade to georgetown and had lunch @ the geogetown hotel. After luch a Duc rider in full leathers came over to check it out. He recognized it as a Jody Matzler painted bike, turn out he's a AFM racer(as I was) and knew Jody when they were racing. He thought the bike was awesome. After our conversation I headed up wentworth springs road to uncle Tom's then onto Ice House rd and back down to hwy 50 and back home. The bike ran great and nothing loosened up, but I still put markes on all the retainers so I can tell @ a glance if anythings coming loose( may still drill/safetywire all critical retainers). Tomorrow I'm going to pull the rear inner fender to add some preload to the fox racing shock in that it still feels like it bottoming out on some of the bigger bumps. I also programed the vapor guage and used 2PPR for the tach setting, does anyone know if thats the correct setting? thanks for the interest Tom

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on 28 September 2010 - 01:22 PM, said:

Ease up, team... my guess is that Tom is putting the stock bodywork etc. on simply so the bike can be titled/registered. I'd do the same thing.

I do hope it is eventually returned to its original form, though. Certainly one of the cleanest, meanest 4th Gens ever, and it has some history - even if that history is largely to do with all of us having lusted over it for the last 8+ years since the original pics surfaced on sportsbikepictures.net!

Tom, as inspiration to keep her the way she was - here's an Aussie 4th Gen that has a similar level of modification:


http://farm5.static....3c02137b4_b.jpg

http://farm5.static....d9b207270_b.jpg

http://farm5.static....77477c166_b.jpg

http://farm5.static....805326fb5_b.jpg
So is that body work off an RC45? You guys are making me want to buy and convert an older VFR for my track ride.

You could make lots of worse choices for a track bike, the power band is really user friendly and they can be made to handle amazing. Anyway the headlight decals haven't made it yet, but I bought another RVF airtech fairing and seat on ebay , so I'll cut it up for the headlight and repaint it myself. Also thinking of having a new upper triple made that I can install sit up bars(K&N superbike bars), trim the upper fairing and have a comfortable canyon straffer w/ the removal of the upper fairing and triple. and leave the original bodywork for trackdays, vintage bike shows, serious canyon straffing. Cant ride it till sat because of new concrete in driveway, but the trail tech rotor magnets and hopefully the headlight decalls will be here and installed by then. I guess I'll have to ride my other 94VFR w/ spiegler kit/ corbin/ 954 rear shock/ gold valves/ HH pads and pilot powers and passenger pegs for cute blond passenger. Oh Well ps went up 6 complete turns on the preload on the fox racing shock and theres a lot less squat exiting corners and handles compressions better, still having a hard time getting the front brakes bled (6 Piston PM calipers w/ 5/8" master) any sugesstion would be appriciated , Tom

[image: View Post]trjerm, on 14 October 2010 - 02:04 AM, said:

Oh Well ps went up 6 complete turns on the preload on the fox racing shock and theres a lot less squat exiting corners and handles compressions better, still having a hard time getting the front brakes bled (6 Piston PM calipers w/ 5/8" master) any sugesstion would be appriciated , Tom

Sounds like you need to set your sag and find out if you have the right springs for your weight. Good suspension means nothing if you don't set it up...

On the brakes, one tip I can give you that has fixed pretty much all my stubborn brake bleed problems, is to burp the master cylinder. Start by tapping on the system, one side at a time, with the plastic end of a screwdriver. Start at the caliper and work your way up the lines, give an extra couple taps at any junctions. Remove cap & diaphragm from top of reservoir, tap on banjo @ res, then carefully remove the m/cyl from the handlebar, and turn it so that the fluid hole in the bottom is now the highest point in the system(angle the banjo down towards the bike). Now slowly pull the lever just enough to click the microswitch for the brake lights - you should see air bubbles pop up from the piston bore. Repeat until bubbles cease to come up, keep tapping on the banjo at the m/c to get more out. Once you get it all, flush fresh fluid through.

with all these f'n pics here I'm beginning to think I'm wanting to ride one of those or both...

where we meeting for a track day again? I'll look in my PM's to make sure I got date,time and place right :fing02:

[image: View Post]VFR Capt.Bob, on 10 October 2010 - 10:02 PM, said:

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So is that body work off an RC45? You guys are making me want to buy and convert an older VFR for my track ride.
Yes the fairing is RC45 raceglass, with custom triple headlights. Tail is a custom job as is the front fender (which is on RGV250 forks). The bike was built by Mark Parker of 'Spiteful Motorcycles' on the New South Wales south coast, he also built a couple of RGV250s that had BSA parallel twins in them...

mine is also airtech rvf 750 raceglass w/o headlights as of yet, hell the headlight decals haven't shown up yet. Today I rode my other gen 4 up to Markleville to go flyfishing on the east fork of the Carson. Had waders/wading boots/vest / hydration pak / 4 piece 4wt flyfod etc., great ride ,the aspens in hope valley were glowing, wasn't too cold going over Carson summit and carson spur @ 1130 and landed 6 rainbows, the biggest being a 6+ lbs and 25" caught on an october caddis pupa that I tied this morning.

[image: View Post]trjerm, on 19 October 2010 - 10:43 PM, said:

mine is also airtech rvf 750 raceglass w/o headlights as of yet, hell the headlight decals haven't shown up yet. Today I rode my other gen 4 up to Markleville to go flyfishing on the east fork of the Carson. Had waders/wading boots/vest / hydration pak / 4 piece 4wt flyfod etc., great ride ,the aspens in hope valley were glowing, wasn't too cold going over Carson summit and carson spur @ 1130 and landed 6 rainbows, the biggest being a 6+ lbs and 25" caught on an october caddis pupa that I tied this morning.

Dude.. your living the dream. Riding sweet Honda V4s through the mountains to go fly fishing for Rainbow Trout?!?!?!!? I think I just wet myself...

[image: View Post]trjerm, on 19 October 2010 - 10:43 PM, said:

and landed 6 rainbows, the biggest being a 6+ lbs and 25" caught on an october caddis pupa

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hahahahahaha

Just wanted to say hi, Today I skied in the morning w/ my brother and buds @ sierra, then came home and went for a ride on " the vfr from hell" as larry calls my bike. Just rode from Pollock to Placerville, Then Colma, Camino and back home. I truly live in a great area where you can ski in the morning then go for a ride. Well happy holidays to everyone and keep tickling you toes every corner or drive a cage. Tom

is it possible you could get some more information on the engine build from the p.o.? i specifically want to know if they had to machine the piston tops or not.

I just emailed Greg Norman of G Force Racing and asked him about the motor build the other day. Although he remembered builing the motor approx 10 yrs ago, he doesn't remember any specifics. When I discussed the build originally w/ Jody Matzler, he indicated that the pistons were cbr929 .5mm o/s short skirted slipper pistons, and didn't mention machining the tops of them. The heads were ported and milled slightly(restricted by the gear drive), rods and crank were lighten knifeedged, shotpeened and balanced, trans undercut, stronger clutch and 2 bros full exhaust and kitted 49 state carbs. It made for a very streetable package thats also happy on the track.

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i ask this because the 929 pistons have slightly higher deck height than the vfr pistons. i question whether its enough to worry about or not, but i do have access to the equipment to handle the job. i just dont want to if i dont have to, ya know?

This story almost matches the "RC45 bike bought from the Mexican Mall" story in terms of kndling VFR dreams out of VFR fans.....
I wonder which bike ended up faster??....... :happy:
Just glad in the end that a 4th gen finally got major props from the VFR forums. We 4th gen owners were kinda feeling left out as later gens got more farkle attention (Hello Torocharger) in the last few years.
Any future plans on Putting on a couple of big NACAs on that fairing trjerm?? :rolleyes:

Beck
95 VFR

[image: View Post]Beck, on 11 October 2011 - 10:51 AM, said:

This story almost matches the "RC45 bike bought from the Mexican Mall" story in terms of kndling VFR dreams out of VFR fans..... I wonder which bike ended up faster??.......
Paging BLS......... :tour:





Later Gens needed tarting up, because



NACA's are the best!!!! :tongue:

my 4th gen will never see naca ducts. but that only because the rc211v doesnt have them :P

No naca ducts, but maybe flat black for timmy, I personally like the 3rd & 4th gens for mod./ track tools. My main reason is I like the swingarm pivot being attatched to frame vs the eng. I t does have some small naca like ducts on the upper fairing

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PS also looking for ideas/suggestions/pics on improvind the cooling capacity on the VFR RR and relocating the oil cooler. @ present just running stock radiator w/ fan wired to run continually and stock oil cooler under nose of fairing.

are you running hot?

No, not on the street, except in town(stop & go) but I'd like more capacity before the bike goes on the track

well i could convert to liquid cooled oil cooler like im doing, and perhaps a tl1000r lower radiator could be grafted onto the vfr. i have one for this very purpose.

[image: View Post]trjerm, on 11 October 2011 - 12:30 PM, said:

PS also looking for ideas/suggestions/pics on improvind the cooling capacity on the VFR RR and relocating the oil cooler. @ present just running stock radiator w/ fan wired to run continually and stock oil cooler under nose of fairing.
I bet you could run a second smaller radiator up front, sourced from another bike like a 250, maybe below the original one. I think that's how RC30's have it. The OEM radiator does cool the 4th gen sufficiently in most conditions, (as the bike does run cool compared to other gens). but push the bike hard and it can get pretty hot. "Flyguyeddy's" been recently posting about using the CBR900 oil filter water cooler mod lately. Maybe you can also look into that as it turns out it's almost a "plug and play" thing for the 4th gen.
RR? Just remount it at the front of the bike where it can get a good blast of cooling air constantly. the tail was always just too hot a place for them.. I've seen some mounted on the frame spar, next to the headstock, or on a bracket between the fork legs, just above the radiator. Be careful with front fender clearance though.....

Beck
95 VFR

Thanks for suggestions, could you post pics of the oil cooler when you have it mounted as well as tl1000 lower rad.

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thats just eh cooler, and obviously it isnt quite finished yet.

i dont know how well the tl1000 lower will work with the vfr radiator. but im pretty sure i want to block off the outlet of the vfr and run it from the lower unit, and block the lower units inlet off. ill draw a pictue later lol

[image: View Post]flyguyeddy, on 11 October 2011 - 02:27 PM, said:

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Is there another thread for this mod?

Looks ideal solution especially coupled with an electric water pump, blocking off the rest... where can i get one of these oil coolers? What size are they as there is only about an inch of space before hitting exhaust to play with?
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HI, I'm thinking of getting a lower radiator from a VF750 and running it in tandem w/ the stock radiator, would also like to mount an oil cooler above the lower radiator, has anyone done this mod as do you have pics thanks Tom

Tom, you're better off buying a new aftermarket cooler from Earl's or similar, instead of the VF unit. The VF part is heavier than a new cooler would be, and less efficient.

You could use almost any unit advertised as oil/trans/radiator cooler on ebay.

thanks I'll look into those

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 15 October 2011 - 05:13 PM, said:

Tom, you're better off buying a new aftermarket cooler from Earl's or similar, instead of the VF unit. The VF part is heavier than a new cooler would be, and less efficient.

You could use almost any unit advertised as oil/trans/radiator cooler on ebay.

Earls for me it looks like...

Or is there really a water cooled oil cooler with the oil filter?

Yes. Just take one from a 900rr or f4i. Eliminate the oil cooler ports by either removing the oil cooler rotor or swapping out the pump with a vf750c unit from a 94 and up bike and blocking the ports on the block.

[image: View Post]flyguyeddy, on 19 October 2011 - 10:13 PM, said:

Yes. Just take one from a 900rr or f4i. Eliminate the oil cooler ports by either removing the oil cooler rotor or swapping out the pump with a vf750c unit from a 94 and up bike and blocking the ports on the block.
Interesting.... will have to investigate here...more info always welcome

My vf750 oil pump is already here, and it looks like its a direct bolt.in if u plug off the holes in the front of the block.

[image: View Post]flyguyeddy, on 24 October 2011 - 07:29 AM, said:

My vf750 oil pump is already here, and it looks like its a direct bolt.in if u plug off the holes in the front of the block.

Oil pump?
Is there not one already on the vfr?.. i thought the mod here was cooling the oil filter with water used from re-routed pipe work from the cooling system? Or are you using said oil pump to use to pump the water around?

The vf750 pump doesnt have an oil cooler part to.it. No looping lines externally just block em off

Remove vfr oil pump and cooler tubes, replace with vf pump and block off cooler outlets.

[image: View Post]flyguyeddy, on 24 October 2011 - 08:29 AM, said:

The vf750 pump doesnt have an oil cooler part to.it. No looping lines externally just block em off

Remove vfr oil pump and cooler tubes, replace with vf pump and block off cooler outlets.

Interesting that the vf pump looses the cooler parts. Does it include the water pump drive shaft?

What is the benefit of exchanging oil pumps? Do you not think a simple blocking off exercise will not suffice?

You cant just block.off the oil cooler ports on the engine. The vfr pump is a positive displacement pump and u willbreak it if u dont loop it.

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vf pump next to vfr pump. retains the water pump drive.. the vf case is the same as a vfr but machined for a cam chain not a gear drive.

*edit* vf pump is on the right, vfr on the left. U can see the non-machined holes in the vf pump.

[image: View Post]flyguyeddy, on 24 October 2011 - 09:16 AM, said:

You cant just block.off the oil cooler ports on the engine. The vfr pump is a positive displacement pump and u willbreak it if u dont loop it.

Sooo,
you dont consider a straight forward loop/join of the oil cooler engine in/output worthy?

looping is fine. blocking off is not.

im just doing the vf pump for my own purposes/ proof of concept. no sense in chuirning up oil that isnt going to be cooled.

Ive seen many people just loop the lines and thats totally fine. I just dont want the loop on the outside of my engine. I dont like how it looks. Plus, swapping the pump is a relatively easy process.

[image: View Post]flyguyeddy, on 24 October 2011 - 11:51 AM, said:

Ive seen many people just loop the lines and thats totally fine. I just dont want the loop on the outside of my engine. I dont like how it looks. Plus, swapping the pump is a relatively easy process.

In principle looks like good idea to me.. might copy it at some point...

Ill wait for yours to be finished and see how things go.. busy with slipper clutch at the moment..

id love to see this slipper clutch project. are u making it yourself or did u buy it somewhere?

[image: View Post]flyguyeddy, on 26 October 2011 - 08:49 PM, said:

id love to see this slipper clutch project. are u making it yourself or did u buy it somewhere?

No not making one.. im not good enough with a hacksaw and file am afraid... The principle of a slipper clutch is amazingly simple to understand when you look at it.

Just looking about at the moment for a good deal first..
Prices are ranging from £500 to £700
No dedicated VFR slippers about.. But am sure can get one in from another bike....

Just fitting a lithium race battery this week... a fraction of the size/weight of standard VFR..

Hoping to be ready for next years race season, money for clutch after Christmas all being well.
Should be a perfect testing bed.
If things work out i would like to consider running the VFR in a Manx GP...
That 100mph lap would be nice to attain..
Should be a good write up at least :tour: ... but am a few years away from that yet.

Building a bike is one thing.. finding the money for more wheels, spares, race fees, tires, etc etc is another thing altogether.
Others may well choose another bike altogether.. ???
The clutch goes in early next year!