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The Phantom Meets Frankenstein

54 posts Started 27 Dec 2006 Last recovered post 5 Nov 2019 Wayback Machine snapshot 17 Nov 2019
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With that bottle of Michelob sitting in front of the PC monitor, he may never finish it. http://www.vfrdiscus...tyle_emoticons/default/+1.gif
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Looks great Phantom. I am thinking now that I should have went with radial mounted calipers as well. :thumbsup:

Can you tell me what the fork length is on your R1 forks? Center of axle to top of fork.(Not Adjusters) Thanks
Edited by DonnyBallGame, 27 December 2006 - 09:02 PM.
#3 Like This Thread starter
From the Frankenviffer Checklist:

R1 '04-'06
28 5/8 in. / 725 mm
Spring rate: .930 kg/mm
320mm rotors
radial calipers
Can use VFR front wheel with Ducati rotors
Forks will sit 4mm further apart in 929/954/RC51 triples
Will need to make wheel spacers and shim rotors to fit
#4 Like This Thread starter
It's ok I'm going over to his garage & taking it to finish & ride, then in about another 4 years I'll put it back into his garage & he will never be the wiser. Except he will think elfs did him a favour :P

Phantom we are doing another track day EC the 13th Jan 07 do you want to pay for that one & not show like the last two, or was it you just didn't show because your purple tights were in the wash :goofy:
#5 The Phantom
These were taken when I did the first mock-up to see how it's all going to go together.

How it all sits - note that the standard R1 clip-ons are fitted to gauge how much rise I'll need:

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The chosen clip-ons already have 20-25mm of rise, they are with a mate who's machining billet extensions for them to give me a choice between 1" and 2" above the standard height of these:

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Now this is the bit that made me smile - I'd fitted these set-screw years ago to reduce steering lock after I fitted VTR1000 clip-ons (just to stop my fingers being pinched against the tank at full lock, the VTR clip-ons don't actually hit anything). They work perfectly with the CBR929 lower triple :thumbsup:

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General bling pics : )

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#6 Rivcyko
Sweet! I like how you got the bicycle in the shot, too. LOL.
#7 The Phantom

Sweet! I like how you got the bicycle in the shot, too. LOL.


I'm not sure which one is my favourite two-wheeler :joystick:
#8 AB-Oz
Will you stop teasing us and finish the damn thing! http://www.vfrdiscus...tyle_emoticons/default/smile.gif
#9 [unknown member]
From the look of those pics you are still about another 3 or 4 years before you head down to the RTA ?

The Phantom lives up to it's name :-)

David
#10 chonsey

The Phantom lives up to it's name :-)



Lol!!!!!!! http://www.vfrdiscus...tyle_emoticons/default/+1.gif :goofy: :goofy:
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Hey I've got two pairs of purple tights Roy! :goofy:

Yeah it's probably the worlds longest running two/three month rebuild and tidy-up, but it gives me something to do when I have some free time :joystick:

Rob, yeah even though it's not on its wheels (it's raked forward on the stands) I can see that the trail is going to be way off, I'll have to muck around with it to get it right. The Ohlins rear works out to be exactly the same length as the VFR shock when the ride height is wound out to max (it's off a CBR900) so a few shims might be needed to get the geometry right (oh and there's always the flipped eccentric to really shake it up; I might end up needing to afix that R1 steering damper somehow...)

Regarding conventional vs. radial, I passed up on heaps of excellent sets of pre-2004 R1 front ends once I got it in my head that I wanted radials. Now I'm not sure that it was worth going the extra $, but I'm sure once I wind on some brake I'll be glad I did it (yeah yeah I know, how much brake could I need in the garage...)

Regarding spacers - the OzVFR mate doing the billet bits for the clip-ons is also turning up a pair of 2mm spacers for the axle - using a spare OEM 04 R1 spacer for material. He's also making 10 x 2mm spacers to space the rotors off the wheels, probably out of brass (easy to get brass stock).

I'll work out timeframes with him in the next day and as soon as they are done will post pics here. Beck I'll also post complete ground-up installation pics once all the bits are ready (i.e. difference btwn VFR and CBR steeringhead bearings, side by side pics of triples, forks etc. and will weigh everything).

I'm leaving the R1 wheel black and using different colour rimstickers over the red (which is painted on). The 8-spoke will be powdercoated black next week (or maybe painted, I might want to polish the rim lips at some stage in the future).

Now I'm off to the garage to Roy-proof it :goofy:


With that bottle of Michelob sitting in front of the PC monitor, he may never finish it.


Crown Lager actually : )
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Now I'm off to the garage to Roy-proof it :goofy:


That's easy just leave Wild Turkey outside & I'll never get to the garage :goofy:
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Fantastic!
Finally, a good thread on a 4th gen front end upgrade in the works, for maybe us NACA lovers to follow very soon(?)! And it's an excellent R1 radial braked front end to boot!

when is he going to graft the R1 fairings!!!



sorry....i had to :D
#14 Like This Thread starter
OK, stock R1 spacers + 2mm, using stock R1 front wheels and rotors. Good idea.

Forks are a little bit shorter, should be a good starting point on the steering.

On the color, the R1 red is nice, maybe the whole bike, with some appropriate pinstripes?

Looking good. :thumbsup:

Larry
VFRrider

Now, if I could just cram a VF1000R engine in the 3rd or 4th gen frame, Aprilia, Triumph or Ducati SSS, who knows. Any volunteeers with extra parts?
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On the color, the R1 red is nice, maybe the whole bike, with some appropriate pinstripes?


Still completely undecided about the final colour. The bike is factory black (the tank is red underneath the black, all Australian 4th Gen VFRs have this regardless of whether they are black, blue, green or, uh, red) and I like it a lot in black.

Was thinking of going with a matte/satin black like the Asphalt or Aprilia colour. Otherwise perhaps a combination of black, silver and gunmetal, I like the monochrome look. The front indicators will be clear ones in Blackbird mirrors, the rear will be LED behind a slightly tinted perspex panel.

In its initial guise it will definitely be black, I'm not going to spend on flash paint until I know my Plastex body mods will hold up (and until after it's completed a couple of track days intact).

I do agree that the R1 red looks good - sort of a candy apple finish.
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Now I'm off to the garage to Roy-proof it :goofy:


That's easy just leave Wild Turkey outside & I'll never get to the garage :goofy:

:lol:
#17 Beck
Fantastic!
Finally, a good thread on a 4th gen front end upgrade in the works, for maybe us NACA lovers to follow very soon(?)! And it's an excellent R1 radial braked front end to boot!

A million thanks Phantom! for going to bat for the 4th gen fork conversion for us!

Good luck and keep the excellet engineering going!

Beck
95 VFR - seriously longing for a modern front end.....
#18 [unknown member]
Phantom,

NIZE, nice. :thumbsup:

Fork length compared with stock?

Spacers and rotors, what did you do, yet?

Larry
#19 AB-Oz
Beck,
Do you realise "The Phantom" project has been going for over 4 years now? :lol: So dont hold your breath for a completion date http://www.vfrdiscus...tyle_emoticons/default/smile.gif (but if we give Muz enough shit maybe he'll finish it next year)
#20 Veefer800Canuck
Murray, you'll probably have to slide those forks up and install the clipons above the upper triple clamp.

Otherwise the extra trail will make it steer real slow.

You'll likely wind up being shorter overall then the stock front forks, but that's OK, you'll need it to sharpen the steering.



Oh yeah, looks good and those brakes are going to be stupid powerful! :thumbsup:
#21 SAFE-T
The Phantom, Dec 28 2006, 11:24 PMWas thinking of going with a matte/satin black like the Asphalt or Aprilia colour.


The Aprilia matte black is a little nicer than the Hondas...
#22 Davidvfr
AB-Oz, Dec 28 2006, 10:19 AMWill you stop teasing us and finish the damn thing! (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/smile.gif)


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I'm beginning to wonder if I'll ever see the Phantom on the road.

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jibe # 1000009
#23 The Phantom
Cross-pollination eh David? : )

Smithy is hopefully going to have the spacers back to me in the next few days, but I'll be doing further measurements tonight inc. checking out where the oil cooler is going to sit. Further updates tomorrow with pics.
#24 GSP
R1 fork prices have skyrocketed since Xmas--is everyone doing this mod? (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/laugh.gif)
#25 DonnyBallGame
The Phantom, Jan 11 2007, 03:46 PMCross-pollination eh David? : )

Smithy is hopefully going to have the spacers back to me in the next few days, but I'll be doing further measurements tonight inc. checking out where the oil cooler is going to sit. Further updates tomorrow with pics.


I am curious about what you are doing with your oil cooler. That is the next thing I am going to tackle as well. I may just end up curving it like we have seen in the past. I will share my pics with you once I get mine sorted out.
#26 The Phantom
vfrrider, Dec 29 2006, 04:32 AMNow, if I could just cram a VF1000R engine in the 3rd or 4th gen frame, Aprilia, Triumph or Ducati SSS, who knows. Any volunteeers with extra parts?


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986-honda-...1QQcmdZViewItem

Go get it Larry!

I had meant to sort out the oil cooler clearance this evening but got side-tracked when DonnyBallGame posted about his CBR929 stem length issue - he's sorted that while I've been in the shed looking into it, but it's worth posting pics of the CBR and VFR hardware.

Back to back - guess which one is off the Fireblade... The stem is pretty much the same length on each lower. The bearing races end up at roughly the same position - note that the CBR929 triple has the standard ball bearings while the VFR triple has roller bearings.

Edit: Note that these pics show EVERYTHING that goes into the bike - the upper and lower bearing races that are installed into the steeringhead with drifts, the bearings themselves, and the upper capnut, lockwasher, locknut, and the top triple nut. When I reinstall all this stuff I'll take detailed pics and post them here.

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It looks to me like the VFR unit is a one-piece stem/lower triple casting - when you look up the guts of it from below there's no evidence of a separate stem. The CBR unit is definitely two-piece.

If you're going to use the CBR929 unit make sure the stem is pressed into the lower triple properly (as per pic) - it apparently can be pressed in incorrectly (i.e not far enough), in which case the stem length will not be adequate for installation into the VFR steeringhead... just ask DonnyBallGame...

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Oh, and after having seen the beefy CBR triple next to the pissy little VFR triple, are there any further questions regarding why we like to swap out our front ends? : )
#27 vfrrider
Phantom,

You just had to point out the obvious, didn't you? Yes, I saw that poor abused bike, but I don't know about the engine. Said it was started 4 months ago? Probably find a squirrel int the air cleaner.

Let's see. 4th gen frame, VFR SSS with Ducati pin drive mod by SAfe-T, RC51 front end, VFR800 wheel in front with Ducati 320 MM rotors, 2005 R1 forks, RC51 lower triple, 954 upper triple, RC51 bearings, vfr800 rear wheel. And for the finale, an NR look alike fairing, if I can get RM Racing to ever respond. I'm sure I've misses a lot. All I need to a VF1000R donor bike, a 94-97 donor bike, about $2000 in parts with bodywork, and another garage and wife, as she is gonna kill me with 1 more project and another 2 bikes in the 2 car garage with 2.5 bikes, so far. Did I get it all right, Safe-T?

I'm a dead man. Anyone know of a good 94-97 donor?

Larry
VFRrider, dead man walking.
#28 The Phantom
vfrrider, Jan 13 2007, 02:38 PMYou just had to point out the obvious, didn't you? Yes, I saw that poor abused bike, but I don't know about the engine. Said it was started 4 months ago? Probably find a squirrel int the air cleaner.


A mate on OzVFR who knows about such things said it's got a desirable engine (something about oil galleries IIRC)...
#29 SAFE-T
vfrrider, Jan 13 2007, 03:38 AMDid I get it all right, Safe-T?


I think I need more alcohol to decipher all that. BRB. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/tongue.gif)
#30 veefer800canuck
The Phantom, Jan 12 2007, 10:19 AMIt looks to me like the VFR unit is a one-piece stem/lower triple casting - when you look up the guts of it from below there's no evidence of a separate stem. The CBR unit is definitely two-piece.


Actually, it IS 2-piece, just that the steel stem is welded to the steel lower triple clamp.

My '86 was the same way and I had the weld ground off so the VFR stem could be pressed into the CBRf2 lower triple.


#31 Dutchy
Now tell us how you really feel....
#32 zRoYz

It's nothing I haven't expressed to Murray before, it will be a very good example of a franfenviffer 4th gen when finished, I just want to see the finished product not tall stories.


#33 SEBSPEED
Roy when you are through with Murray would you like to swing by 'muhrica and whip me into shape as well? :goofy:
#34 The Phantom

LOL yep not the first time I've had that from Roy, and he's right... just the other day I came across some emails where he and I were discussing the possibility of importing some JE kits to take the 4th Gens out to 840cc, and the emails were from 2006...

I'll post a real progress pic at the end of next week.


#35 Dutchy
The day you finish your build, a bit of VFRD's "couleur locale" will have gone...... ;-)
#36 zRoYz

Roy when you are through with Murray would you like to swing by 'muhrica and whip me into shape as well? :goofy:

I'll give you slack Seb because you have so many projects going on at once, Murray does have a VW Kombi now to restore but does need to finish his first project. I only rib him so much because I want to see the finished result as his build has some trick parts. I think those that tinker never really finish a project because you always find something to change but you need to finish version 1 first :-)


#37 RDM

I'll post a real progress pic at the end of next week.

<makes popcorn>

Waaay past end of week now... oh wait... Muzz time ;P

RDM


#38 The Phantom

Ha Rob of all the people to gee me up :) You're right but in my defence I have just come home yesterday from a two week holiday. Into it tomorrow! (I don't go back to work till Thursday).


#39 SEBSPEED

"I'll believe it when I see it"


#40 Dutchy
The cheque is in the mail

I was only helping that sheep cross the road




All in good fun ;-)
#41 Dutchy

So there is now no breather tube??

Would that not cause problems of some sort?

#42 YoshiHNS
Dutchy

So there is now no breather tube??

Would that not cause problems of some sort?

I believe he said he put in a breather line routed to the airbox.

#43 The Phantom

Yep, initially I was going to fit a Bunn Breather (basically a valve and air filter) but going to the airbox was simple and will work well enough. And no chance of an oil leak onto the rear tyre.

#45 Dutchy

Cheers for reconfirming it is not a phantom! :beer:

#46 The Phantom

Hey Leon, sometimes even I don't see it for months at a time.. years, even :mellow:

Couple more pics.

The fuel tank on it is off my 'stock' 4th Gen, the actual tank is away being modified. But in this pic you can see why I switched the rear valve cover. And how the CBR600F4 fairing works around the stator cover, and the exhaust (like it was made for it!).

You can also see the CBR600F4i dash - new old stock from a closing down Honda dealer, $50! It does that cool tacho sweep to redline when you power it up :comp13:

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The little 'intakes' on either side of the nose are actually from under the headlight on a CBR1100XX, I cut the original 'ram air' scoops off the CBR600F4 nosecone. Test fitted with CBR600RR mirrors but it will have CBR1100XX (aka Honda NR) mirrors when done. Dual HID projector headlights in the F4 headlight housing, each is bi-xenon (so dual HID low beam and dual HID high beam).

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#48 MVinOZ

Looking real good!

#50 JZH

If he does, I hope they're still selling petrol then! :wacko:

Ciao,

#51 Dutchy

That day I will put a small flying pig decal on my bike

No pressure ok? :-)

#52 The Phantom
WackenSS
The Phantom

Still slowly chipping away at this, recent pic with 848 wheel fitted (but with further work to do).

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Post #137 details the mods to the bike. Well, most of them. I always forget stuff.

http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php/topic/28369-the-phantom-meets-frankenstein/?p=936855

What sub frame you using? Bitsnpieces from the 98-> R1?

2002 R6, the four frame spars come close to the VFR main frame subframe mounts but need to be shortened and modified. At some point I'll put a pic up showing the mods required. The seat matches the VFR tank shape perfectly and the entire tail unit complete with battery weighs less than just the bare VFR subframe...

#53 The Phantom

Hey only three and a half years later to the next update.

Not much has changed going by the pic. But lots of things have changed. A 2015 R1 front wheel is now resident in the workshop, nearest thing to the 848 10Y rear wheel I could find that was an easy fit - straight bolt-on, 2004 R1 discs fit, axle fits.

The SebSpeed c;lear clutch cover has received a couple of additions to spruce it up.

All other work not shown in pic, but the bodywork is seriously underway at the moment.

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#54 Dutchy

Blast from the past.............  :goofy:

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