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Vfr Can't Keep Up With V-Rod?

110 posts Started 12 Apr 2013 Last recovered post 20 Mar 2016 Wayback Machine snapshot 24 Aug 2017

#1

This has been bugging me since last Wednesday night... Now, let me preface this post with the disclaimer that I'm no expert rider. My '01 is my first "sport bike", new to me last spring, but I've been riding this and that steadily since '04.

Anyway, I'm friends with a couple guys that are in a "riding club" and they routinely try to sell me on the notion that I should be riding a Harley. My response is generally something like "that's not the ride I'm into right now." I'm enjoying the VFR right now and I'm not interesting in doing the cruiser gig.

Well, Wednesday night they let me know that I could come ride with them anytime, but of course, I'd have to stay in the back and I can't pass the "patches." Well, that hit me the wrong way and I simply said I won't ride in the back if I don't want to and you're too slow for me anyway. Well the conversation went on from there and I was told that their buddy had a V-rod that would leave me in the dust. Sure, maybe in the quarter mile... But they were insistent that it didn't matter and there are videos out there of V-rods shaming VFR's on the dragon and blah-blah-blah... Eventually I just tuned them out and let the conversation die.

But it still bugs me and since I don't know how much, if any, validity there is to this claim, I figured this was the best place to ask. So, what's the deal?

#2

Does it really matter if a V-Rod or any bike if faster than yours? If you enjoy riding your motorcycle that's all that matters. There will always be something and someone faster

Edited April 12, 2013 by Ashok
#3
Ashok

Does it really matter if a V-Rod or any bike if faster than yours? If you enjoy riding your motorcycle that's all that matters. There will always be something and someone faster

Ditto.

That said, to you question on a VFR keeping up with a V-Rod... I haven't been on a V-Rod but really don't think this would be an issue. I'd expect that the same rider on the same section of twisty road aboard both bikes would be much faster on the VFR... but who really cares.

#4

The VFR is about as fast as the V-Rod in the 1/4 mile. Both run low 11's.

I'd expect the VFR to corner much better with less weight, a better layout, more ground clearance.

Rider skill would more than make it up either way.

Sounds like a bunch of cocky dudes bench racing. Pay'em no mind!

#5

Maybe off the line. I am too lazy to check the power-to-weight ratios, but it may be that V-Rod will pull ahead at first and then be left behind as the RPMs rise.

But as others have said... Who cares.

The famous Yellow Wolf used to (or maybe still is) shame lots of 600 super sports on the Dragon.

It is 90% rider and 10% bike when it comes to the twisties.

#6

I've had riding buddies on KLRs (650 with about 40 horsepower) whip me on twisties - much better riders. I've never understood the Boy Scout badges for the Harley riding group - I grew out of that when I was 12. I'd ride your own ride or find people that like to ride the way that you do.

#7

Sounds like a "fun" group of guys. There certainly are some Harley riders that can ride the h#ll out of their bike, but group for group the VFR is a sport bike and the V-rod simply isn't.

I've done a few charity rides with primarily American bikes and have never had a problem keeping up with anybody.

When I ride with another group, I make it a point to honor their rules. It's a "When in Rome . . . " type of thing. Passing patched members may reflect negatively on you or your friends. If I were in that situation and they were just going pathetically slow, I'd just split off or deal with it. But thats just me.

#8

I've seen some quick modifed V-Rods put several sport bikes to shame in straight line.

http://youtu.be/uNygpSJPLL0

Stock though, should be just as fast as you are. V-Rods are pigs in the twisties. But it all depends on rider skill.

#9

So let me make sure I understand correctly. You're bothered that Harley guys say their Harleys are more awsomer (yeah, that's a real-ish word) than your VFR. And you're asking a bunch of VFR owners if the VFR is more awsomer than a Harley.

:lobby: :lobby: :lobby: :lobby: :lobby: :lobby: :lobby: :lobby:

#10

Would you feel better about it knowing that H-D consulted with Porsche on the drive train development for the V-Rod?

#11

Stock vs. stock I say the V-Rod will definitely take you in 1st gear, and maybe 2nd. It has a lot more torque so will get the jump on you from a stop. Once you are rolling out of 2nd into 3rd above 10,000 rpm the VFR should keep up.

With about the same hp but with more torque from an extra 450cc I wouldn't be surprised if a V-Rod could beat the VFR over a reasonable distance (i.e more than a 1/4 mile LOL). Indicated top speed should be right around 150-ish, so again the same as the VFR but it might get from A-B a few seconds sooner.

Harley also made a couple different types of V-Rod, and if this one was modified it may be considerably faster in a straight line than the VFR.

It's OK that it bugs you. Japanese bikes are still better, you're just comparing apples to oranges here with bikes that have a 50% difference in displacement.

My wife's FZ6R will smoke a GS500 too, but it's not like you could go around bragging about it to anyone with intelligence :goofy:

#12

Schlongs dicks etc...whose got the biggest....uhhh who cares.....

Its like the hooker said when I dropped my pants "who you gonna please with that!!!??"

To which I replied..."Me!!!".

Enjoy YOUR VFR or whatever you ride.....or buy one of everybike thats claimed to be better.

#13

i am a Honda certified tech and a Harley custom builder..its simple..

who cares what they say!!!

yeah the guys Vrod MAY beat you in 1 /4 mile.. so what? add one curve and he is toast.

yes, they had "CUSTOM STOCK " drag V rods.. buy the bike for $35,000 and go racing... big whoop. :rolleyes:

enjoy your ride...nothing sounds like a vfr.. and they jealous! :musik20:

#14
Earthshake

Would you feel better about it knowing that H-D consulted with Porsche on the drive train development for the V-Rod?

I've read that it was the engine also.
#15

I like underpowered, light bikes. You also have to consider the source. In those riders span of experience, they do ride and they do think they ride fast. I know how fast I am and how fasty bike is (both not much), but to compare is pointless.

#16

Honestly, I'd just find other folks to ride with. Or ride on your own.

I do agree, it's the rider who wins not the bike. That's true at all levels, look at Rossi on his first Yamaha stint, or Stoner on the Ducati that no one else could win on, or the retired guy on a dirt bike I ride with, that I can't keep up with, lol.

#17
JeffInFranklinTN
Earthshake

Would you feel better about it knowing that H-D consulted with Porsche on the drive train development for the V-Rod?

I've read that it was the engine also.

its the whole package .. a single unit like on the VFR...and its ALL METRIC. :tongue:

#18

You should definately go trade in your VFR for a Harley Davidson V-Rod Flaming DBAG Edition, which is I think in HD acronym speak is a FDBAG...but I could be wrong. I don't speak antique overpriced bike language.

Seriously though, I would find new riding "friends". I don't know a single HD rider that doesn't think a big ride consists of hopping from bar to bar all day. It really can't be all that fun to ride with them anyways. Sitting around and hearing themselves talking about how great their bikes are instead of riding them seems to be the wrong way to waste a perfectly good weekend.

Don't worry- You can still give them the (one finger) wave when you roll past them at the bars.

#19

We sometimes pick on people for the brand they ride but that's just in fun. I have never made the comment "You should get a Honda." to anyone. I don't care what you ride but there is one brand of motorcycle that I pretty much despise. It's not just the motorcycle itself, it's the more than I can count remarks made to me or overheard like "You should do yourself a favor and get a real motorcycle." You'll think I'm crazy but it's that comment right there is the number 1 reason why I hate Harley Davidson motorcycles.

#20

First off who cares is right...

Honestly though...On a highway you might get beat might not. Big deal though.

Any kind of cornering though and you will absolutely smoke the Vrod. It has the wrong rake angle, wide wheel base, poor balancing, wrong tires, and cant lean like a VFR. If you are on a windy road and enjoy a moderate pace i doubt a vrod could keep up even if they were flogging it...

#21

I remember T-MAC a few years ago, where a younger kid, mid 20's riding a CBR or GSXR type bike, came up to us at the Gap store and said that he really liked the look of the VFR. And maybe when he was older and was ready to slow down a bit, it might be the bike from him... Can't remember who it was from the group, but after leading them on a trip a crossed and back, well they tried to follow if I remember the story correctly. This kid and his buddies, when they finally made it back 10 minutes or so behind the VFR, changed their mind quickly...

Its all in the rider, for the most part... I seem to remember seeing videos of a yellow Gold Wing at the Gap... Need I say more LOL

#22

My Burgman 650 is faster off the line than my VFR. Not top end certainly, but off the line definitely. But the VFR will make me crap my pants whereas the Burgman lulls me to sleep. Hope you aren't going to get goaded into a race that you could get injured in. If they have to brag about their machines, they probably come up short in other areas.

#23
NorthernVFRDave

I remember T-MAC a few years ago, where a younger kid, mid 20's riding a CBR or GSXR type bike, came up to us at the Gap store and said that he really liked the look of the VFR. And maybe when he was older and was ready to slow down a bit, it might be the bike from him... Can't remember who it was from the group, but after leading them on a trip a crossed and back, well they tried to follow if I remember the story correctly. This kid and his buddies, when they finally made it back 10 minutes or so behind the VFR, changed their mind quickly...

Its all in the rider, for the most part... I seem to remember seeing videos of a yellow Gold Wing at the Gap... Need I say more LOL

Me and KB do it all the time.

#24
Earthshake

Would you feel better about it knowing that H-D consulted with Porsche on the drive train development for the V-Rod?

because of this is why the V-ROD was not well received by the harley crowd when it first came out. Harley had to do something though because metric cruisers were faster, cheaper and more dependable and still are.

#25

A lot of pirates are checking out Honda since the intro of the Goldwing F6B. For some reason a lesser optioned Goldwing appeals to them. Looks like a bagger, I suppose.

#26

I didn't read all the posts on this thread but I ran into a guy on a V-Rod at lunch one day....after the usual trash talk back and forth we wound up leaving at the same time, same direction. He said, we aren't gonna race are we? I just smiled, he had one of those jacked up all blacked out versions. I didn't really know what to expect from either bike but I will say that after 5 roll on starts he didn't win one of them. Even if I let him come around me I caught and passed him. From a dead start its all rider and clutch management.

Oh, and FK back of the pack BS.

I call HD packs "moving pylons"

#27

LOL... I posted this up at work and then got called on two field surveys. I'm pretty surprised at the amount of responses. I really just wanted to know about cornering ability of the V-rod cause I just can't understand how something made by HD could possibly corner as good as a sport bike like the VFR. I know those guys and know that they're just trying to goad me into an argument, but I honestly didn't have enough information to argue with them. And you know, if I wanted to argue without having the facts... well, I'd be in politics wouldn't I? :wink:

#28

My policy is that my body can't cash the checks ego thumping writes.

I will say that when I ride with cruiser guys, I regularly hear them talk about scraping hard parts, when I'm not even coming near. I may be hanging off a little bit, but I hardly ever come close to using up my ground clearance.

But hey, I like what I like, they like what they like, and in the end we are still friends who have ridden some awesome roads together!

#29
slither

My policy is that my body can't cash the checks ego thumping writes.

I will say that when I ride with cruiser guys, I regularly hear them talk about scraping hard parts, when I'm not even coming near. I may be hanging off a little bit, but I hardly ever come close to using up my ground clearance.

But hey, I like what I like, they like what they like, and in the end we are still friends who have ridden some awesome roads together!

I drag my center stand and toes sometimes! But seriously...if anyone is a half decent rider you will smoke a Vrod... Apparently on the highway too....

#30

There was a guy (friend of a friend) that was talking all kinds of shit about how his 1200 skirtster eats GSXRs all day and is so fast and he'll race anyone for titles, blah, blah, blah.. I told him my bike couldn't keep up with a late model GSXR, but lets race anyway, for titles or any amount of money he'd like to name. He backed down fast, ended up telling me he doesn't like to race his bike because its puts too much stress on it..


Don't let people's talk game get to you, its mostly just them blowing a lot of hot air.. And on a serious note, if you're on your first bike, you need to ignore that non-sense.. Its stuff like this that gets amateur riders killed.

#31
NorthernVFRDave

I remember T-MAC a few years ago, where a younger kid, mid 20's riding a CBR or GSXR type bike, came up to us at the Gap store and said that he really liked the look of the VFR. And maybe when he was older and was ready to slow down a bit, it might be the bike from him... Can't remember who it was from the group, but after leading them on a trip a crossed and back, well they tried to follow if I remember the story correctly. This kid and his buddies, when they finally made it back 10 minutes or so behind the VFR, changed their mind quickly...

Its all in the rider, for the most part... I seem to remember seeing videos of a yellow Gold Wing at the Gap... Need I say more LOL

Reminds me when some years ago I left two young squids on a Fireblade and a GSXR1000 in the dust with my humble Hawk 647GT going down the mountains from Alice's to Highway 1 on the ocean. They only gained back some distance when we hit some short straights between twisties, but I mostly just saw their headlights gradually fading away after every turn.

Yeah, they eventually caught up and passed me, but not till the last quarter mile straight before we hit highway 1.......... Maybe they're the same guys??!

One of the best rides I ever had and that Hawk just stuck and stuck to the road through the tightest turns and the biggest sweepers with me pinning the throttle most of the time as I pull out ot the turns ans sweepers.....

Yes, I think I can most likely beat a V-Rod in the twisties with my VFR......but I think I can beat it even easier with a Hawk GT!

Beck

95 VFR

Edited April 13, 2013 by Beck
#32

Goose...mc specs. ..average Vrod 670+ lbs 12.sec quater mile

average Vfr 479 +/- lbs 12. sec quaters also

Viffers got nice aerodynamics and at 200km/hr smooth as silk

Vrods...naked..aeros??? Luv your Honda.

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/

#33

I just googled " VFR quarter mile performance" & "VROD quarter mile performance" and found tons of info but in general, most sources show a 6th gen topping a VROD by about 5 mph in the 1/4 mile. Add in some curves and equal riders, the VFR should come out with an advantage.

#34

Or you can give benchracing all the "serious" respect it deserves... and keep your blood pressure low. :wink:

#35

I've got this guy that works for me, he's all up on Harley. Has two of their bikes, and we're constantly ribbing each other about who's got the real bike. Mine's a plastic throw-away and his is an overweight, poor handling pig. It's entertaining at least, and both of us really just don't care. It's just fun to BS one another.

There was one day though that he was saying on his HD nightster that he could keep up with me in the bends. Mind you, he's about 120lbs soaking wet and I'm 270 bone dry...

All it took was showing some of my GoPro footage of the big VFR in the bends. Then it was, "well, I'll keep up on the straights."

I allowed the tactical retreat. :goofy:

I can't fault the guy... for the crowd he rides with, he's really damn quick. With the crowd I ride with I'm unbearably slow. Both of us love the hell out of the sport, in our own ways, for our own reasons.

Bench racing's always good for a laugh.

Harley makes a beautiful machine. It's got a one-of-a-kind sound and they are simply stunning sometimes. It's fine by me to let them be what they are... pretty, loud, slow but fun ways to spend a day.

#36
goose

LOL... I posted this up at work and then got called on two field surveys. I'm pretty surprised at the amount of responses. I really just wanted to know about cornering ability of the V-rod cause I just can't understand how something made by HD could possibly corner as good as a sport bike like the VFR. I know those guys and know that they're just trying to goad me into an argument, but I honestly didn't have enough information to argue with them. And you know, if I wanted to argue without having the facts... well, I'd be in politics wouldn't I? :wink:

Most peope see the harley as nothing more than a bunch of loud baggers with no sport roots. Not trying to defend them but Harley did have quite the sporting ability back when the only motorcycle racing around were the flat tracks. They dominated for many years. But they were hardcore traditionallist, staying with old technology, their competitors started pulling away, and the general public saw that motorcycles were becoming dangerous, I'll leave the rest to the real historians to explain but Motorcycling in America preaty much when down the gutter while Eroupe held on strong. Harley did have the Buells for quite a while and those bikes were very capable. I still think closing them down was the worst thing HD ever did. For 2011 and 2012 Harley did make the XR1200, where they were trying to tap back into their flat track racing roots and produce a street worthie bike, it's not offered in there 2013 lineup though. Reviews online fare it pretty good against competting bikes. There's even a pro racing class for them too. I really like the bike and it sounds pretty good, only thing i've disliked is the oil cooler sticking out on the side, but that can be remidied easily with a mod.

They did make a VROD class that was more sport oriented with streetbike ergonomics called the VRSCAW V Rod. They stopped selling it as well.

#38

I love reading these kind of threads. Doesn't matter if it's a car or bike these are always entertaining. It's always going to come down to the driver. Sure the right bike will help but always the driver.

#39

The (stock) V-rod with the best chance would be the VRSCR "Street Rod".

VRSCR: Street Rod

Model years: 2006–2007. The Street Rod was marketed as the “roadster-inspired” member of the VRSC line. The Street Rod was the first VRSC to ever feature inverted forks made by Showa, with a steep rake and Brembo supplied brakes. It also featured the highest seat height at 30 inches (76 cm) of any VRSC model. The Street Rod also claimed the greatest lean angle at 40°, over the 32° lean of the other VRSC models. The Street Rod came equipped solely with mid-mounted controls. The Street Rod would be the first to feature the 5 gallon tank in the 2006 year model, that would become standard for the line in 2007.

[image: xl+2006_harley_davidson_vrscr_street_rod]

#40

Yep the v-rod is a porsche designed engine. I've ridden 2 and they may be near the same in the quarter mile. but thats it. An average rider on a vfr could smoke a good rider on a v-rod anyday,

Look at displacement too. Some harley engines are 3 liters. 2000cc, thats what my wifes mazda has.

It's funny, most harley guys dont consider the v-rod a real harley. When they want to compare to a sportbikes the v-rod is all harley. It's fummy.

#41

The ground clearence and riding position is no where near as good for sport riding.

#43

I was out for a nice all day ride last year and when I stopped for lunch in a small town south of the city of Calgary, Ab had a group a Harley guys looking at my bike. When the sat down they asked if it was mine and What was it.

Lunch continued with why ride that , and you need a big boy bike, and then the well i can take you comments. I went along knowing what was going to happen. I was done, hit the can and then started getting ready to leave. Guess who else was leaving and the taunts started, now these guys had a drink or 2 in them, i don't drink and if i did still would not on the bike .

So as I started to leave Longview they rolled up behind me and gunned it up beside me. Well let me tell you. Those Dam VFR gods were all smilling on me that day and the tunes were putting me in the right place.

Dropped a gear hit the gas wheel up and GONE.

Wheel down started going through the gears with the only v rod of the group right behind me...not once did he get in front and as we started hitting the curves, to then twistie sections he gave up.

Several miles down the road is I was stopped taking a pic of my bike with a lake backdrop. The harley pulled up and the v rod was pissed that I made him look bad i guess, anyway he was swearing and what not, while his buddies were asking what i had done to the bike etc.

Anyways I jumped back on to continue my day trip and yelled back. Want to try again !!! V rod looked pissed but just walked away.

Fun day and story short, it was my day not his..did it really matter, No! I saw some amazing scenery got some great pics,and got to ride my bike for a nice 7-8 hrs of a day.

#45
timmythecop

doesnt matter what bike yer on....donkeys exist everywhere

I love the you are too drunk - you gotta ride home comment. :laughing6-hehe:

#46
soloii
timmythecop

doesnt matter what bike yer on....donkeys exist everywhere

I love the you are too drunk - you gotta ride home comment. :laughing6-hehe:

He's not joking !!!!!

#48
Switchblade
NorthernVFRDave

I remember T-MAC a few years ago, where a younger kid, mid 20's riding a CBR or GSXR type bike, came up to us at the Gap store and said that he really liked the look of the VFR. And maybe when he was older and was ready to slow down a bit, it might be the bike from him... Can't remember who it was from the group, but after leading them on a trip a crossed and back, well they tried to follow if I remember the story correctly. This kid and his buddies, when they finally made it back 10 minutes or so behind the VFR, changed their mind quickly...

Its all in the rider, for the most part... I seem to remember seeing videos of a yellow Gold Wing at the Gap... Need I say more LOL

Me and KB do it all the time.

Every great once in a while a sportbike or motard may be going faster on The Hill but it is rare. I have ridden a VRod and there is no way in Hades it can hang with a well ridden VFR. It simply hasn't got the ground clearance for fast cornering.

But as sure as I pass all HDs (cutting the XR1200R slack cause it could hang with an accomplished pilot) like they are riveted to the pavement I am sure there is someone somewhere who passed a VFR with a VRod and thinks his bike is faster than all VFRs. As long as we all ride for fun then what the heck...let em have the fantasy.

KEB

#51

Some have a read dead-wish, I typical don't pay attention to such idiots.

Just look at their protective gear, only an idiot goes without.

#52
majordomo490

I used to think I was quick til I saw these Frenchies go at it. First 5 mins are boring but look out when they get out of town,

[video: https://www.youtube.com/embed/_r-1t6D5E6U?feature=oembed]

Rider skill will make up for most bike shortcomings. Harley or Sportbike.

I must agree, my palms were sweating after watching that one. Living on the edge though.

#53

I say its just a matter of time before those French squids would be sporting Citroen or Renault hood badges on their faces.....

It's not skilled riding its just dumb hooligan riding half of which were done on the wrong side of the road and on one wheel. ....

#54

I have guys at work that bug me that I need to get a Harley...to which I respond, "I don't know if I'll ever be old enough to ride a Harley". That usually shuts them up. I just don't see the desire to ride one, but to each there own...

#55
NorthernVFRDave

I remember T-MAC a few years ago, where a younger kid, mid 20's riding a CBR or GSXR type bike, came up to us at the Gap store and said that he really liked the look of the VFR. And maybe when he was older and was ready to slow down a bit, it might be the bike from him... Can't remember who it was from the group, but after leading them on a trip a crossed and back, well they tried to follow if I remember the story correctly. This kid and his buddies, when they finally made it back 10 minutes or so behind the VFR, changed their mind quickly...

Its all in the rider, for the most part... I seem to remember seeing videos of a yellow Gold Wing at the Gap... Need I say more LOL

IIRC the same thing happened a year or two ago with a bunch of SV6's and some squidly fellows.

They said, and I quote, "Wow, those old guys on the VFRs are FAST"

(and I was the slow one in the bunch)

My advice, go your own way, and give those 'patches' a wide berth. No need to tangle with them...

#56
Beck

I say its just a matter of time before those French squids would be sporting Citroen or Renault hood badges on their faces.....

It's not skilled riding its just dumb hooligan riding half of which were done on the wrong side of the road and on one wheel. ....

Yeah, that's kind of what I thought when I watched this one...

This isn't my first rodeo but my first VFR pony. I know my bike's plenty bad-ass'd, and potentially more than my ability can handle for the time being. But I'm learning and getting better on every ride. Last weekend I was out with three other riders, all one CBR1000RR's, the lead was a part-time track bike. I managed to ride my ride and keep up, even got a couple compliments about my ability. Would I ever try to race someone thru the twisties on a bet? Probably not. There will always be better riders than me, cause I ain't no Valentino Rossi. :cool:

#57

One thing for sure about those French riders...those were NOT V-Rods they were riding! Watching the Gold Wing run through the twisties should be proof enough that its more the rider than the bike, within reason of course. There's a few GW vids where they are on a track and passing pure sport bikes! Any group that forces you to ride by a "status" position and not riding ability is not a group I would be riding with.

#58
majordomo490

I used to think I was quick til I saw these Frenchies go at it. First 5 mins are boring but look out when they get out of town,

[video: https://www.youtube.com/embed/_r-1t6D5E6U?feature=oembed]

Rider skill will make up for most bike shortcomings. Harley or Sportbike.

Those guys are dicks. And obviously they haven't crashed enough yet, as shown by the T-shirts.

#59

ride your own ride. what are you thinking about? right now you have your vfr. learn what it can do.

Edited April 14, 2013 by Alaskan
#60

lol so much debate, my view is simple each to there own as people are individuals. I'm not a brand fanboy so will buy anything that will make me smile which is what is important, buying any bike just for some ego boost is stupid. People ride dirt bikes because that's there thrill & it is a common theme with bikes & Harley riders enjoy the relaxed style of there bikes, but never discount someone who rides a Harley can't hop on some other bike & be a canyon carver. The debate about who is faster in the majority of cases is all rider as I have seen riders on 250 machines blitz 1000cc sportsbike riders so it really doesn't matter what you ride just that you enjoy it. If I was to ever own a Harley (they don't float my boat) it would be a Vrod but honestly I don't ride for the wind in my hair option so when I get to the point I can't carve up corners I will probably just drive everywhere in a cage with armchair comfort & a/c.

#61

As just about everyone has mentioned "To each his own." I personally am not a big fan of cruiser style motorcycles and if I was asked to ride with a group of guys that said I had to ride my Honda out back and not be allowed to "Pass the Patches" I would likely offer a rather vulgar response to whomever suggested my place in the group. If I were asked to ride in back I would find another group of people to ride with. You have just as much right to ride in the front or behind as anyone else. If it is the type of ride where there is a large group and everyone is assigned a specific place and no passing is allowed within the group then I suppose that would be different. I went on a sponsored ride once in Alberta called the "Ride for Sight" and each member of the group could ride wherever in the group that they wished but there was no passing allowed once the ride started but there were over 300 bikes in the group so that is understandable.

Not all Harley owners share the same feeling of superiority and I have met quite a few who would rather ride with a group that could care less if you ride a scooter, cruiser, sport, or dual purpose machine, just so long as enjoy riding.

Get out there, ride for yourself and have fun. If you find other of like mind, ride with them.

As far as whether or not a V-Rod could beat your bike. Really, Does it matter whose bike is faster, so long as you are having fun.

#62

Harleys can be fast as hell. Fast enough to smoke a vfr in a drag race. However the harley will have to have 2.3 liter S&S on race gas.

My buddy and I had to listen to a guy the other day saying how his buddy could hang with any knee dragging sportbike on his bagger. He didnt mean in a drag race. He swore it could hang in the corners.

I've ridden a few v-rods and no matter the foot position thr ground clearence will always hold it back.

I have a 1981 honda silverwing gl500. 53hp 530lb's. I have embarrased so many supersports it's hilarious. They get pissed when a underpowered, heavy, bias ply tire wearing old ass bike spanks their rr. Obviously the old bike doesnt have a chance, but at places like the gap it's pretty sad how bad some people ride. Emphasis "BAD" not fast.

I went out first thing this morning. A guy on a new 1200 sportster pulled up beside me we dis a 2nd gear launch thru 4th. My ancient heavy bike beat him by 2 lengths.

It really is the rider.

I have ridden with yellowwolf a few times. The yellow vfr guy. It was about all I could do to stay with. Didnt have much in reserve. I lead and pulled away a good bit.

#65

But... it isn't flat black, what's taking so long Mr. Officer Sir?

Maybe I'm kinda weird, but I frequently prefer the inexperienced guy (or gal!) in front of me rather than behind me. Mind you I normally only ride with one or two other people at a time. Namely the first time I took a new rider out for some twisties, I took him out for a ~300 mile day, not realizing he had only ridden about 200 miles previously. By the end, I made him go in front, and wait for me to signal if we were going to turn, because he was getting tired and sloppy with his technique. If I had had him in front of me, I could still have hung behind, and in between "spirited" spurts, I could have put in more stops/shortened the day.

If there is a disciplined good rider to stay in front, for them to watch and learn from, that's also good.

#66
slither

But... it isn't flat black, what's taking so long Mr. Officer Sir?

Maybe I'm kinda weird, but I frequently prefer the inexperienced guy (or gal!) in front of me rather than behind me.

There are maybe 2 people on this earth that I can ride 5 inches away from and have NO worries. Other than that, like they say. behind you they are a threat, in front of you, they are entertainment.

#67

They aren't a threat when you leave them far behind, unfortunately they may try to keep up and get out of their comfort zone...

Despite outward appearances, I don't ride with people I don't care about... I'm generally a caring guy. Don't want to see anyone get into something they can't handle.

#68
kurtazz

I have guys at work that bug me that I need to get a Harley...to which I respond, "I don't know if I'll ever be old enough to ride a Harley". That usually shuts them up. I just don't see the desire to ride one, but to each there own...

Do they ever give you a reason or reasons, as to why they would suggest, "You need to get a Harley" I just don't understand why most Harley owners believe Hardley Ablesons are "real" motorcycles. Why would I want a loud, shaking and vibrating, handles like a dumptruck motorcycle? I've ridden a couple in my lifetime....not impressed. "My 83 Shadow is so much more enjoyable to ride than this pig." was my thought everytime I rode one.

#69
timmythecop

... behind you they are a threat, in front of you, they are entertainment.

:cool:

#70

Harley is a bike? :laugh:

#71
slither

Mr. Officer Sir?

I didnt go to Evil Sergeant's School to be called "officer"

#72
timmythecop
slither

But... it isn't flat black, what's taking so long Mr. Officer Sir?

Maybe I'm kinda weird, but I frequently prefer the inexperienced guy (or gal!) in front of me rather than behind me.

There are maybe 2 people on this earth that I can ride 5 inches away from and have NO worries. Other than that, like they say. behind you they are a threat, in front of you, they are entertainment.

Behind you they are a missile hazard, in front of you they are an obstacle...

#73

Temecula is the V-rod capitol of the world... I light them up all the time. The last time I dragged one I was two up with my girlfriend on the back on Winchester Rd... got him by several bike lengths the first run and duplicated the same result on the second run... he didn't even try on the third light. I'm 260... my GF is 150... Skid lid looked about 200 or so, Weight differential was probable pretty close.

Had the road been twisty it would have been even more embarassing... he wouldn't be able to hang past corner one.

Edited April 15, 2013 by ihilker
#74

Why does it matter whose bike is faster ? Because some people want to know, and others want to show those who don't know how wrong they are LOL.

#75
SAFE-T

Why does it matter whose bike is faster ? Because some people want to know, and others want to show those who don't know how wrong they are LOL.

Sorry never seen a Harley beat me in anything.

Those "bikes" simply suck and don't deserve the name.

Here in Europe most of them don't even greet other bikers, as they feel themselves too good to greet anything but Harley.

I do not care about those idiots anymore, nor do I wave at them.

And sorry, I do not see them beat a VFR800Fi or even an GSX750F on a drag-race, I tried plenty (at the traffic lights) and none ever beat me.

I did try a few real racers, like the F1 and GSX1000R, and yes it took everything from my bikes to keep up.

But a Harley? No, not ever. Sorry Harley is a dumb machine with loads of CC's and weights a ton but no power worth mentioning.

Harley versus racers is a non issue, simply not there.

#76
SAFE-T

Why does it matter whose bike is faster ? Because some people want to know, and others want to show those who don't know how wrong they are LOL.

Why do we bother buying red bike then??..... :rolleyes:

#77
timmythecop
slither

Mr. Officer Sir?

I didnt go to Evil Sergeant's School to be called "officer"

Mr. Does the Real Work Sir?

#79
Duc2V4

I believe I posted this before but it is sooo fitting for this thread too!

[video: https://www.youtube.com/embed/izzlN2zC8PU?feature=oembed]

:laughing6-hehe:

But seriously, I have a couple of friends who are Harleydoods, and they aren't too bad - really, they are pretty good guys - not even putz like in the slightest. They just always wanted an old school bike which would require regular inspection of many of the fasteners to make sure the parts would stay attached.

Edited April 16, 2013 by soloii
#80
timmythecop
slither

Mr. Officer Sir?

I didnt go to Evil Sergeant's School to be called "officer"

damn right! you address timmy as SIR.!! spelled C U R :goofy:

#81
gll429
timmythecop
slither

Mr. Officer Sir?

I didnt go to Evil Sergeant's School to be called "officer"

damn right! you address timmy as SIR.!! spelled C U R :goofy:

Just goofin with you fellas.

.... but I was raised to never call a Sgt "Sir". my pops was a Chief Master Sergeant and he wouldnt even let the Lieutenants call him sir.

#82
timmythecop
gll429
timmythecop
slither

Mr. Officer Sir?

I didnt go to Evil Sergeant's School to be called "officer"

damn right! you address timmy as SIR.!! spelled C U R :goofy:

Just goofin with you fellas.

.... but I was raised to never call a Sgt "Sir". my pops was a Chief Master Sergeant and he wouldnt even let the Lieutenants call him sir.

Trust me, day to day I would never call a Sgt "Sir", and that is out of respect, especially the ones who help me keep my ass out of the fires I don't see coming!

#83

Harley-Davidson 110 years of tradition unhampered by progress.

#84
slither
timmythecop
gll429
timmythecop
slither

Mr. Officer Sir?

I didnt go to Evil Sergeant's School to be called "officer"

damn right! you address timmy as SIR.!! spelled C U R :goofy:

Just goofin with you fellas.

.... but I was raised to never call a Sgt "Sir". my pops was a Chief Master Sergeant and he wouldnt even let the Lieutenants call him sir.

Trust me, day to day I would never call a Sgt "Sir", and that is out of respect, especially the ones who help me keep my ass out of the fires I don't see coming!

well of course not! Sargents work for a living.

#85
timmythecop

I raced for titles. I now own a HD motorbike. At least its black.....

[image: IMG_32081_zpsf2a20d72.jpg]

Is this for real? Did you really race for pinks? I haven't had enough coffee yet and my joke-radar might not be working.

#86

Get a ZX14

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#87

Harleys are generally slow, heavy, loud and outdated compared to modern machines. Just like a '65 289 Mustang or a big block '67 2 door Impala.

But I'd love to have either of those cars in my garage for the day long drives or a classic Harley for the same. Sure wouldn't be challenging anyone to a race though.

#88

To HD's credit, they did get at least one right from the start

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#89
timmythecop

To HD's credit, they did get at least one right from the start

[image: 0706_hrbp_05_z%252Bused_harley_davidson_]

Hmmm . . . is that exhaust FLAT BLACK?

#90

I'm a big fan of the XR1200
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Also used to ride a Buell S2 Thunderbolt and I was quite fond of it, handled great, and surprised more than a few 600's in a straight line..

Looked like this one, but had V&H exhaust with a Sidewinder intake.
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#91

I was actually looking for a Buell when I found "Cindy". Would still like to have one, but I don't consider a Buell a "harley".

I'm only 54 now, so I consider myself a little young for a HD cruiser :happy: but if I ever go for the cross country touring scene with the little woman I'd be mighty tempted to get a big HD bagger... Still wouldn't catch me with the dew-rag, hd badge, no-protective gear wearing poser/costume crowd.

:beer:



And yes, I suppose from what I know from coming to VFRD that it's a little unfair of me to put my bike up against a vrod since it's red... Maybe if I had one of the slower colors?

:goofy:

#93
GadiantonRob

I'd own a V-Rod.

Just sayin.

oooohhhh! i feel for you!! :sad:

:goofy: just sayin

#94
timmythecop

To HD's credit, they did get at least one right from the start

[image: 0706_hrbp_05_z%252Bused_harley_davidson_]

I get the black thing but I dunno, IIRC, AMF was just really bad........except maybe for bowling balls..... :rolleyes:

Edited April 17, 2013 by Beck
#95
timmythecop

timmythecop, on 15 Apr 2013 - 2:21 PM, said:

slither

slither, on 14 Apr 2013 - 8:11 PM, said:

Mr. Officer Sir?

I didnt go to Evil Sergeant's School to be called "officer"
I made that mistake once...

This is a very entertaining thread...God knows we are just as passionate about our VFR's as they are their HD's. I like to think the nicer people ride Hondas though :happy: .

I was on the other side of this issue sort of when I was just into my second year of riding. I hooked up with a Honda Riders group out of Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. At the time I was riding a Kawi Vulcan 900 Custom (read quite a bit of rake and not much cornering clearance). The group consisted of mostly sport tourers (ST1300's and some BMW's), some VTX cruisers, and me on my lowly Kawasaki. I didn't know enough to be ashamed...I was just having fun with my gal on the back riding some great roads up north. We were on a ride up to Ainsworth Hot Springs in Canada and the roads began to get quite twisty. I was in the lead group following the ST's and a BMW that was supposed to be one of the more respected and accomplished riders I was to find out later that evening. Being inexperienced, I was starting to get frustrated following the big BMW sport tourer because everytime we would come up to corner, he would get hard on the brakes. This would repeatedly happen in corners that even on my ride I could tell were not that technical. I finally backed off and decided that he was afraid of carrying speed into the corners. After constant pipe and peg dragging that trip, my gal helped me decide that I was on the wrong type of bike. I was just beginning to discover that I didn't so much enjoy the loud pipes I had mounted as much as I did the cornering aspect of riding. The problem was when I was just starting to have fun in a corner, hard parts started dragging, sparks started flying, and suddenly the corner wasn't fun anymore. I think it was the next spring that I fell for a 2004 asphalt black VFR that I found in Lewiston, Idaho. The rest is history...

#96
Ashok

Does it really matter if a V-Rod or any bike if faster than yours? If you enjoy riding your motorcycle that's all that matters. There will always be something and someone faster

Of course it matters, it always matters...

#97
2thdrI didn't know enough to be ashamed...I was just having fun with my gal on the back riding some great roads

I think this may be the meaning of life . . .

#98
mk2davis
2thdrI didn't know enough to be ashamed...I was just having fun with my gal on the back riding some great roads

I think this may be the meaning of life . . .

Or at least the opening line of the next great novel.

#99
EhViffer
mk2davis
2thdrI didn't know enough to be ashamed...I was just having fun with my gal on the back riding some great roads

I think this may be the meaning of life . . .

Or at least the opening line of the next great novel.

It's funny...my wife and I enjoy riding our ST1300 immensly and of course I like how it handles (slightly VFR-like), but to this day she remembers our trips to Canada and to the Oregon coast on our Vulcan 900 cruiser as the most enjoyable. I think the rumble of the pipes did something for her...LOL. I probably had a more laid back riding style back then...

#100

The Girl rides her own bike but she gets tired on Sundays after 600 miles down and 200 to get home. She keeps wanting me to get an ST1300 so I can drag her around once and a while and give her a little break. We took a test ride on one last year and she loved it.

My novel's opening line would be: "As much fun as acceleration is...not slowing down for corners is just more fun".

KEB

#101
kebrider

The Girl rides her own bike but she gets tired on Sundays after 600 miles down and 200 to get home. She keeps wanting me to get an ST1300 so I can drag her around once and a while and give her a little break. We took a test ride on one last year and she loved it.

My novel's opening line would be: "As much fun as acceleration is...not slowing down for corners is just more fun".

KEB

It's hard to beat the ST1300 for pillion comfort. We also have a Givi top case with a back pad...she never lets me leave it off :pissed:

#102

Latching onto another oldish thread, but I had to pass comment.

I've had many VFRs, still have a couple and some other bikes, including a new (last year) V-Rod Muscle. I do enjoy a bit of cruising with friends on a nice warm and sunny day, but as a rule I don't like Harleys. However, the V-Rod is a very nice bike indeed, generally well put together and with that Porsche designed engine and almost everything metric, so no new tools needed. With stylish indicators in the mirrors, keyless ignition and immobiliser alarm all built in, Honda should take note. Anyway, performance...

The V-Rod has great brakes and is gratifyingly quick. Faster than most, possibly all other cruisers, but the typical cruiser rider who claims it'll blow any sports bike into the weeds has not ridden a modern sports bike. Even the fabled 'torque' is nothing to write home about. My eVo4 (VFR1200 based) would EAT it, at any speed. In truth, the V-Rod makes about the same power as an RVT1000, with possibly a bit more torque low down, but it's no thumper. The V-Rod is also about 50% heavier than an RVT and so nowhere near as quick. Compared to a VFR800, I'd say overall speed will not be hugely different.

But handling is another matter. Not that the V-Rod is bad, but with relatively limited ground clearance and awful suspension it would simply see the VFR disappearing into the distance - with the same caliber of rider. Of course there will be riders that on a V-Rod could outpace some other rider on a VFR, but that's not the issue here. With the same rider, there's no question that the VFR would get to the end of anything with bends in it before the V-Rod even came into sight.

This is not knocking the V-Rod, it is a really nice bike but when comparing real road speed capabilities with a VFR, it's chalk and cheese.

What I will also say about H-D is that they have a dedicated and loyal customer base that ALL other manufacturers dream of. Their absolute dedication to all things H-D is simply astonishing. But it does tend to make them rather narrow minded and actually lacking in knowledge and experience of other bikes. To each his/her own. I like a bit of cruising, a bit of off road, some touring and a bit of dashing about at exciting speeds. All part and parcel of motorcycling to me and I would not want to be limited to any one of those styles of riding. But that's me and a Harley owner tends to be a happy owner. Not because of any fabulous quality of the bikes, but because they really love their Harleys and don't want anything else and that's the happiest way to be.

BTW, I'm not aware of any H-D even as big as 2,000 cc and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be using any S&S engines either. That would be like Honda making a bike with an R1 engine. I guess I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

#103
BiKenG

BTW, I'm not aware of any H-D even as big as 2,000 cc and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be using any S&S engines either. That would be like Honda making a bike with an R1 engine. I guess I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

yep and nope.

S&S is more like honda using HRC parts than kawyamazuki parts...as they are basically better made direct bolt on parts.

HD has 110 ci engine =1802.5 cc

buy the S&S 124 big bore kit and presto you have 2032 cc..

or just buy the 143 motor and have 2343 cc and have 162 rear wheel horse power..

now, i do know this not for the vrod..they have their own 1434cc big bore kit..

to me, i just say ..WHY ? if you love a HD get a buell motor 100 hp on tap at a fraction of the weight and build some thing cool..

like i did for my pal tony :)

[image: tonysbike_zpsovvuns28.jpg]

#104
gll429
BiKenG

BTW, I'm not aware of any H-D even as big as 2,000 cc and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be using any S&S engines either. That would be like Honda making a bike with an R1 engine. I guess I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

yep and nope.

S&S is more like honda using HRC parts than kawyamazuki parts...as they are basically better made direct bolt on parts.

HD has 110 ci engine =1802.5 cc

buy the S&S 124 big bore kit and presto you have 2032 cc..

or just buy the 143 motor and have 2343 cc and have 162 rear wheel horse power..

Ah yes, S&S just make go-faster bits for H-D engines. I see what you're saying. But S&S aren't owned by H-D who themselves don't make anything larger than the 110ci do they, whatever S&S may do to them.

Not that it matters much to me though as to be honest, apart from the V-Rod, H-D don't really interest me. But the brand loyalty they engender in their customers is to be admired and envied.

#105

Switchblade and I have done may runs through Deals Gap with a locally modified VRod. It is a loud, tall beast and very powerful and his gas mileage is awful but he keeps coming back.

#106
kebrider

Switchblade and I have done may runs through Deals Gap with a locally modified VRod. It is a loud, tall beast and very powerful and his gas mileage is awful but he keeps coming back.

+1 I love running with him andI have plenty of great GoPro footage. The bike is not stock , the owner is a awesome machinist by trade.

And he has to be careful of the small fuel tank and low m.p.g.'s.

#107

Lost all hope for any Harley "Renaissance" ever coming within my lifetime when they dumped the VR1000 race program.I was actually glad they put most of the engine in the V-Rod, but then knew that the future for the engine to make it at least onto a modern street sportbike chassis (That goofy street VR1000 sales program in of all places, Poland, was just set up for race homologation), when it sounded like they were keeping it away from Eric Buell to develop it for use on his bikes.

What a terrible waste, HD! I suspect higher ups in the company and their marketing gurus just couldn't stand the taste of a modern sportbike Hog and did not yave the guts to take on the international market with such bikes........ Chickens!!

#108

So they bought MV instead. That worked out well for them didn't it. :wink:

#109
Beck

Lost all hope for any Harley "Renaissance" ever coming within my lifetime when they dumped the VR1000 race program.I was actually glad they put most of the engine in the V-Rod, but then knew that the future for the engine to make it at least onto a modern street sportbike chassis (That goofy street VR1000 sales program in of all places, Poland, was just set up for race homologation), when it sounded like they were keeping it away from Eric Buell to develop it for use on his bikes.

What a terrible waste, HD! I suspect higher ups in the company and their marketing gurus just couldn't stand the taste of a modern sportbike Hog and did not yave the guts to take on the international market with such bikes........ Chickens!!

I guess Eric was not a "Patched" member and had too ride in the back too...............

Hahaha, I just found this thread and read it from the beginning - wonderful entertainment!

#110

A V-Rod isn't exactly a Harley, is it? More like Porsche's attempt at making Harley look better.

A skilled rider on a V-Rod can fend off a skilled rider on a VFR in the twisties. You won't be passing them.

Two completely different bikes, but the V-Rod is not your average Harley.

I would never want one, but I know a few guys who can manage them well.

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