Nervous About Taking A Long Trip

I hope I posted this at the right spot, I'm wanting to plan a trip from ashland ky to the tail of the Dragon this spring, this would be my first long ride, been riding for years but just commuting, how do you get over the fear of the unknown such as breaking down on the road, that's the main thing that keeps holding me back, any other touring trips would be greatly appreciated as well, I have a 2008 vfr with a touring screen, Corbin saddle, and saddle bags and givi top box,

Only way to get over the fear is to do it. Bring a cell phone, credit card, and have towing (AAA or the like). Also if you have a smart phone with access to VFRD, there are plenty of friendly people on this board that have helped out other members in the past.

I am close to the Dragon and will be available if you need help. Just Do It !

Google tells me it is some 545 miles but I reckon that is interstate.

What I can suggest is you do a weekend trip or two. find friend or family some 200 miles away and just go!

this will let you experience the buzz.

Plan backroads cos the Dragon ain't no interstate either.

stops often, drink plenty water, talk to people along the way.

You are in the US, so help is only a phone call away.

While riding through Nepal I met a local with a flat tire on his MC. He had been by the side of the road for at least an hour till I came past.

I had a watch, he had all the time in the world..... give time all problems are solved....

If you take enough trips, then breakdowns, wrecks or other issues will happen. I've never had a breakdown, but I've sat comfortably for hours in a parking lot when others in my group have had issues. Same for wrecks. It's all in your mindset and is (occasionally) part of riding.

By doing it you will overcome the psychological barriers.

Be prepared as best you can. Take extra tolos with you if you do you own work on the bike. Even if you do, insurance including Roadside Assistance is a must.

Torch, weatherproof matches, Dunny paper, Multi-tool / Swiss army knife, spare key... useful stuff!!! Wet weather gear. Spare gloves. Baby wipes (great for wiping down the helmet visor and getting bugs off the bike, there are all sorts, try for ones that don't leave residue on the visor. Energy bars. Bottle of your favourite liqour... Whatever!!!

Tyres? Maintenance: fresh oil, brake pads, spark plugs etc checked out and/or replaced.

The 6th gen tends to fry stators so do some of the Beefing up the wires tutorials in the How.to section... take a multimeter with you if you know how to use one.

It's just common sense... AND ENJOY YOURSELF YA LUCKY B*@#%&!!!

And TAKE LOTS OF PHOTOS!!! and post em up here with a ride report!!

I remember my first long ride. Went solo for a 300 mile loop into the mountains. Half a day but felt longer. Was nervous since I went solo but that was planned. When I got home, I was ready for any distance. I only needed that short jaunt into unknown territory by myself to get over the feelings of apprehension.

Try a long ride in your nearby counties but through new areas and on new roads. You'll feel better once it's done and you realize, "Hey, that wasn't bad at all." :)

Map. Phone. Water. Snacks. AAA. Roadside assistance. Extra layers for the cold.

And as said above, you'll have plenty of us nearby.

Enjoy the ride!

Sometimes it is the "issues" that pop up that make a trip memorable and an adventure. Even with some break downs, a trip would be better than sitting at home. I always prep the bike (or car) before to make sure it is up for a long trip. Never had any serious problems. My grandparents rode a motorcycle all over the country with no big problems, and that was 40 years ago. They say that was the best time of their lives, and is what inspired me to ride motorcycles and travel.

Good luck, and do it!

Thank you guys so much, good tips, I will definitely get AAA, and I have the blue connector fix and vfrness installed, and have plant of spare fuses,and will have to do the weekend trips before hand to get used to it, any suggestions on what hotel to stay at close to the dragon,

Once you are prepared with all of these great tips, just hop on the bike and ride. A few miles in, all worry just melts away and you just let go.

I went on my first decently long ride last spring. 13 days, ~2600 miles on a 30 year old Nighthawk. No plans, just packed and hit the road. Rode from SC to the Ozarks, then back through the Smokies, hitting the Dragon, the Cherohala, and my personal favorite, Moonshiner 28.

I highly recommend staying at the Kickstand Lodge in Stecoah. Mo and Bobby are good people.

EMTintruder

Thank you guys so much, good tips, I will definitely get AAA, and I have the blue connector fix and vfrness installed, and have plant of spare fuses,and will have to do the weekend trips before hand to get used to it, any suggestions on what hotel to stay at close to the dragon,

I'd suggest the Deal's Gap Motorcycle Resort.

There's nothing to it. You're traveling through a populated part of the country, with a cell phone you have instant communication most of the time. Look at it like a very long commute, because really that's what it is: you're traveling to the Dragon and you're traveling home. Just a very long commute. :beer:

I did a lot of trips down through the Southwest on a 1971 and 1973 Bonneville in the 70's. Just keep a positive outlook and everything is good. In my mind the trip is the thing, the destination is secondary since the ultimate destination is back home. So just enjoy the traveling, look around a lot while you're on the road so you get an idea of what the towns are like, what the scenery is like, just how thing look in general. In this day and age help is just not far away at all.

OK, now with all this good advice - sign up for TexasMac event the last weekend of May. Great time, meet new friends, ride awesome roads.

i remember my 1st long trip!

20 years old and got a call from a girl telling me to come visit her in CA as her parents were gone for 2 weeks.. :cheerleader:

philly to malibu in 38 hours and few min..

on a 86 vfr750. i just packed a back pack with 2 days of clothes some tools and spare levers and a spare r/r and was out the door in 20 min..

i STILL dont know what malibu looks like!! :wub:

Awesome. I'm feeling pretty pumped about it now. How and where do I sign up for texasmac

http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php/topic/79730-texasmac-2015-may-28th-31st/

Seems like a good place to start. :cool:

EMTintruder

Thank you guys so much, good tips, I will definitely get AAA, and I have the blue connector fix and vfrness installed, and have plant of spare fuses,and will have to do the weekend trips before hand to get used to it, any suggestions on what hotel to stay at close to the dragon,

Beer or no beer ?

Deals Gap opens March 1st .

It has beer.

I ride about 5,000+ miles through the USA from here in Calgary every year. The first trip was a bit nerve wracking - new places, far away, etc. But it was one of the best experiences I've had traveling, so I do it every year now - 90,000 kilometres later. Bring credit, tire kit (small), maps and a GPS and go. Depending on how adventurous you are you can book hotels/camping in advance and plan how far to ride each day, or, just wing it and stop when you're tired. Good luck on your trip.

Dutchy

Google tells me it is some 545 miles but I reckon that is interstate.

545 Kilometers, no? 330 miles or so.

Auspanglish

Torch, weatherproof matches, Dunny paper, Multi-tool / Swiss army knife, spare key... useful stuff!!! Wet weather gear. Spare gloves. Baby wipes (great for wiping down the helmet visor and getting bugs off the bike, there are all sorts, try for ones that don't leave residue on the visor. Energy bars. Bottle of your favourite liqour... Whatever!!!

Tyres? Maintenance: fresh oil, brake pads, spark plugs etc checked out and/or replaced.

And TAKE LOTS OF PHOTOS!!! and post em up here with a ride report!!

Good stuff right there. I dunno what your schedule is like, but I'd find back roads to the Blue Ridge Parkway the first day, and ride the BRP the next. Takes the distance up to about 600 miles, but they're good miles.

Oh, and we're holding you to the ride report...

Glenn

No-one's mentioned Gold Bond for your babies... Yet!!

Yes I would also recommend cycling shorts and a suitable chafing prevention sauce for those longer trips to assure your precious cargo of nuts are not despoiled.

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I see a lot of people that go have track suits, is this something I should purchase before I go? I have motorcycle Jean's with armor, and wear gloves and shift racing leather jacket,

Go to ADVrider.com and look and some of the insane places people take their bikes. All sorts of 3rd world countries where no one speaks their language and there are no bike shops for hundreds of miles. The main thing is to make sure things are in good repair before you leave. Tires, good battery, healthy charging voltage, chain and sprockets in good shape. If anything else goes wrong (which on your bike is very unlikely), people will be around to help you fix it. The fact that you're feeling a bit anxious about it means that it will be an adventure and something memorable when you get back. Be sure to post pics when you get back! Cheers

I think most would recommend something better than armored denim, but it doesn't have to be leather. There are some good textiles out there that may more convenient and less expensive. For touring, I like an overpant because I don't have to pack the jeans I'm wearing under them.

Remember, its your @ss. How important is it to you?

I wouldn't get a leather track suit for a long ride. Taking a leak in a gas station in a sweaty leather track suit is no fun. Its more pratical and cheaper to buy leather pants (if you want to stick with leather).

I think nothing of a 1000 mile ride in a weekend if I want to visit family.

Lube the chain before you leave.

Resist the urge to bring your tool box.

Bring some spare fuses, although you'll probably never use them;

Bring a SLIME tire repair kit.

Bring a handful of zip ties.

Bring just a few tools to adjust/tighten mirrors and other controls, and maybe a few extra bolts for the key controls.

Bring a mini flashlight.

Bring your cell phone charger.

Bring a spare key.

Textile 2 piece suite is the way to go. Make sure it can handle rainy weather. Good waterproof riding boots and gloves too. Especially in cold weather. Otherwise a glorious adventure can turn into suffering discomfort unnecessarily.

-Metric tool kit to rip any Honda motorcycle apart. I carry this one and has pretty much everything you need. Allen, torx, wrenches, spare bits of wire, hose, electrical tape etc.. http://www.cyclegear.com/STOCKTON-TOOL-COMPANY-Roadside-Tool-Kit

-VFR consumables, which in this case is a spare stator with associated cover gasket, and a spare reg/rec.

-SPOT gps

-Airhawk type R seat pad. This is probably the single most import accessory for any long road trip. I was pretty skeptical, now I can't believe I was riding hundreds of miles without one.

-If you have one of those standard battery tender leads on your bike, install the USB end piece you can buy so you can charge cell phone whatever.

-water and snacks

-decent flash light. I'm a big fan of the Olight SR Mini Intimidator. Will fit in any pack and puts out a ridiculously bright flood beam. Perfect for roadside repairs if needed. http://olightworld.com/product/sr-mini-intimidator/

-can of chain lube. I use Dupont Chain Saver exclusively, comes in small travel sizes.

-wire in a voltmeter to your bike if you haven't already

-warm clothes

-first aid kit

-tire plug kit with some spare schrader (valve stem) valves, small 12V air compressor of some kind.

-maybe a spare throttle pull cable

as for getting over the nerves. Just remember you are riding on the east coast, the cradle of civilization.

Towards the end of last summer I did a ride across the entire state of Oregon. Came down by Hells Canyon, run over to Dooley Mountain Hwy, cut west through the upper middle of the state through Fossil, then to the cascades and beyond. Talk about nobody, the eastern half of the state still looks like frontier.

One of the best motorcycle trip planning tips I ever read, is to send yourself a care package ahead of time to your destination. Why lug all the stuff with you, when you only need half of it before you get there?

I always plan so I can ride during the day with plenty of time if there is a delay.

Slime didn't work for me the only time I needed it, but sticky ropes have held up 3 times (though not on a trip, just around home).

*Cash, cards, water, snacks, flashlight & batteries, pen, paper, phone & cord, camera, few clothes, good rain gear, sticky ropes kit and mini-compressor, Garmin.

I find travelling alone and at my own pace is part of the adventure. You'll feel good when you can say "I did it."

Even my 2 (expensive) breakdowns were all fine in the end. Not fun, but no permanent harm. I can laugh about them now.

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TWO LANE IT! Unless you just need to bust out some big miles in a hurry, try to stick to the state/county highways. Most are two laners with lots of small towns scattered along the way. Help is usually never more than a few miles away and you won't be competing with 18 wheelers on the slab. You will also find more things to see/people to talk to/better photo ops/and have a much better time in general that way. You may sit on the side of a 4 lane highway for hours if you need help - If you're on the side of a county road, just eye contact will almost always bring the first passerby to the side of the road. BOOM - an instant friend! And if you need gas or a trailer or a third hand to hold a flashlight, the guy that just stopped will probably have access to whatever it is you need. I find that the lower speed limits offer a better chance to see the surroundings that you're immersed in rather than being on full alert at 85 mph. I just did a 4800 mile trip in September and was on a 4 lane highway less than 350 miles total.

#2

TAKE PHOTOS! When you've stopped too many times for pics - stop some more! There are things I don't really remember about some of my rides years ago, but I'll open one of those trip files and it all comes flooding back into my brain. Sometimes I think looking at the pics a year, two years, five years later almost equal the good times spent actually on the ride. Most of my 10 - 12 day trips result in about 350 photos.

holy crap. so many options its crazy.. :comp13:

you are doing a 6 hour ride in kentucky and tenn..

if i was in your boots i would stick to the highway and try to make the trip in 4 hours..

i am not saying speed.. i am just saying what i would do.. :tongue:

:lobby:

its the most direct way.. almost dead south.. and you have your cell if anything happens..

a basic tool kit and pug kit should already be under your seat..

no matter what you chose, HAVE FUN!!

I joined the AMA which also came with free roadside assistance, you may want to look into that.

My definition of a long trip is 2-3 weeks.

You'll be fine.

I look for the twistiest back roads through interesting country.

Look for the green and blue on the map and the squiggly lines. Go there. And back.

Oh and a wise soul once told me that the only thing you'll see on the interstate is..........

More interstate.

All good advice here and I won't expand on that except to say that you shouldn't take a flashlight, take a headlamp.

Most of the things you'd need a flashlight for on a bike trip take two hands and unless you're comfortable holding a flashlight in your mouth for 15 minutes, a headlamp is the way to go. There are decent LED headlamps for as little as $20 (don't cheap out and buy a headlamp with an incandescent bulb. they chew through batteries and aren't very bright.)

My first bike road trip was with my first bike. A somewhat ratty old '72? Honda CL350.

I took so much stuff down from my apartment to load on the bike, must have been nuts.

Half of it went back upstairs, it wouldn't fit. :happy:

Rode from Chicago to Somefingplace in the North woods of Wisconsin. Several hundred miles round trip, I forget.

The only problem I had was running out of gas once, out in the country a bit. Walked to the nearest house and said I'm out of gas.

Guy gave me a gas can to pour into the bike, and refused payment. "Just do the same for someone else some day."

Pay it forward as we say now. Was a great trip, the rat Honda did not let me down. :cool:

My point is, prep your bike, pack your stuff, make some loose plans, and go ride!

Bring a tent in case you have trouble finding a motel, or just want to save some money. :beer:

earplugs.

Wow this is great, I can't thank you guys enough I'm so excited now, and so want it I break down... get it fixed and keep riding, any suggestions on rain gear? .. what to look for or stay away from ?

A one pieces rainsuit you put on over your gear. At least one size bigger so it fits over your regular riding gear, try it on before you commit. Not so big that it Flaps around in the wind. Boot and glove covers too.

+1 on the Head lamp like miners use instead of handheld. I didn't specify that but it's what I actually take w me.

I also take sticky worm or sticky rope repair tyre repair kits and small air compressor. And spare brake and clutch levers and gear and brake pedals.

Auspanglish

+1 on the Head lamp like miners use instead of handheld. I didn't specify that but it's what I actually take w me.

Never thought you were THAT old.......

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Old Enough to Know Better... :-)

Auspanglish

Old Enough to Know Better... :-)

young enough not to care! :tongue:

Dutchy

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:goofy:

Doubles as a spare helmet/headlight!

One thing to add to all of the other advice, if you're travelling alone let someone know your intended route and possible "detours" you might take and plan on checking in with them once you reach key points. Also, not all AAA is the same, make sure you ask for motorcycle specific coverage.

American Motorcycle Association membership includes free roadside assistance and costs less than the expanded AAA bike coverage.

Duc2V4

One thing to add to all of the other advice, if you're travelling alone let someone know your intended route and possible "detours" you might take and plan on checking in with them once you reach key points. Also, not all AAA is the same, make sure you ask for motorcycle specific coverage.

To piggyback on this post, I use location sharing with my wife when I am on a trip. She always tells me to call her when I get to where I am going, but I am terrible at remembering for some reason. Usually when I get to a rally or my home town, my friends are coming up to me as I am getting off the bike to hand me a beer or whatever. It always makes me forget!

I do not know about iPhone apps, but on android there are a plethora of apps that do this. I used to use Glympse, but they put a 4 hour limit on their sharing and you have to remember to redo it if you are on a longer trip. I think Waze does it, maybe Here does it too.

ecn

American Motorcycle Association membership includes free roadside assistance and costs less than the expanded AAA bike coverage.

Did not know that, because with AAA you have to add RV coverage to include mc.

These are the best way to strap stuff to your bike. Worth it. I also like the headlamp, best 30 bucks I spent. I used to take all sorts of tools, now I take the most important one, a credit card. A leatherman is probably enough. Every town in the USA has a Honda dealer it seems. Chap stick is a necessity. I like having a camel back or similar to stay hydrated. Take one luxury item that isn't needed. My grandparents said they took a flask of vodka, "to take the road kinks out." Mine is good coffee for the morning.

Remember people are really nice and helpful for the most part. My grandparents (40 years ago) said they were riding in Wyoming and there was a big thunderstorm, so they pulled over and were huddling under a tarp they had trying to stay dry. They said a car stopped and and let them in and waited there until the storm passed so they could get out of the rain. Stories like that make motorcycle travel awesome.

Have fun. =)

Switchblade

ecn

American Motorcycle Association membership includes free roadside assistance and costs less than the expanded AAA bike coverage.

Did not know that, because with AAA you have to add RV coverage to include mc.

I think it works like this...

AAA Premiere for $119 gets your bike towed 200 miles (Cali specific?)...includes RV and 25K emergency medical transportation.

AMA Champion for $49 gets your bike towed 35 miles (National)

If you already have AAA for the car $57, it may make more sense.

It sounded to me like they wanted to charge all 4 AAA holders in the family the incremental cost though.

How much is a tow to a local shop these days for a motorcycle? Seems to me that it would be cheaper over the long haul not to have AMA or AAA coverage. I've been riding since 1985 and have only been stranded once when I ran out of gas. (Fortunately, I was within walking distance of my wife's place of work.) 30 years without paying $49 per, means I have a bank of $1470.

All great things mentioned here. After you take care of any Preventative Maintenance, have cloths/rain gear for most weather situations and the aforementioned credit card and phone you're good to go. Once you get on the road, enjoy the sights and don't worry about the rest. Stop at the diner that has all the pick-up trucks and not McDonald's or some other chain. Take the back roads...it's all part of the adventure.

After this trip, you'll feel better about even longer trips.

Remember, they patrol the Dragon pretty hard. Be sure to have your "cool" look on when you pass the Killboy camera (not implying that I do look cool in photo). Cheers, R.

EMTintruder.....

To me, eating at new places is one of the great things about road-trips. I have not used this site but

it might find you some interesting grub...........

http://www.roadfood.com/

Good luck,

LookingHard

RRM

Stop at the diner that has all the pick-up trucks and not McDonald's or some other chain.

Great advice! Gives you a longer/more relaxed break before hitting the road again. Most likely better food which will should help prevent discomfort while riding. Bonus --- chance to meet great people who add local color and can provide tips on good roads, places to stay, and sites to see.

Now I can't concentrate on work because I'm thinking about my next trip. Thanks guys.

The first riding suit I bought was an Aerostich Roadcrafter two-piece. Because it's Goretex lined you are always wearing your rainsuit. It served me well for many years in all sorts of weather. It will keep you dry in thunderstorms. Lot's of vents for warm weather riding.

They also make a Goretex bonded to leather Transit suit. Not cheap but it has saved my hide as well as my life several times. It allowed me to survive a 65 mph crash when I hit a deer in IL.

Your mileage may vary.

Both of these suits I wear over my street clothes. Take the jacket off when you stop on the way; you can keep your pants on (if you want). :ph34r:

LookingHard

EMTintruder.....

To me, eating at new places is one of the great things about road-trips. I have not used this site but

it might find you some interesting grub...........

http://www.roadfood.com/

Good luck,

LookingHard

Excellent point. I stay out of McDonald's/Taco Bell/Burger King and try to find local cafes. Better food - better people.

I also make it a habit of asking where I can park and trust my bike to be there in the morning. I've been in personal garages, barns, and underground parking not available to the general public and people were more than happy to accommodate us. - and I've had my VFR IN a motel room in a sketchy part of town. ALWAYS ASK ABOUT PARKING! A missing bike is a major downer in the middle of a long ride.

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Conedodger

How much is a tow to a local shop these days for a motorcycle? Seems to me that it would be cheaper over the long haul not to have AMA or AAA coverage. I've been riding since 1985 and have only been stranded once when I ran out of gas. (Fortunately, I was within walking distance of my wife's place of work.) 30 years without paying $49 per, means I have a bank of $1470.

I have the Gold Card AAA.

RRM

All great things mentioned here. After you take care of any Preventative Maintenance, have cloths/rain gear for most weather situations and the aforementioned credit card and phone you're good to go. Once you get on the road, enjoy the sights and don't worry about the rest. Stop at the diner that has all the pick-up trucks and not McDonald's or some other chain. Take the back roads...it's all part of the adventure.

After this trip, you'll feel better about even longer trips.

Remember, they patrol the Dragon pretty hard. Be sure to have your "cool" look on when you pass the Killboy camera (not implying that I do look cool in photo). Cheers, R.

Dragon !!!!!!!!!

"Old enough to know better..."

Young enough to do it again!

Also, you're right. Headlamp is right on. I carry both, even daily in my tank bag.

LookingHard

http://www.roadfood.com/

There goes my cholesterol level. Damn...

Glenn

Here's the suggested route from the gps, any route suggestions are welcome!

Suggestions? Yeah, don't listen to the GPS.

It will route you down the flattest straightest most boring 18 wheeler infested 8 lane roads possible.

Get on your computer, fire up a mapping program, and swap back and forth between road map, satellite view, and topographical maps.

Find the most F'd up, convoluted route, with massive elevation changes, twisty and snaking roads from this tiny little one horse town to the next, winding through the tall mountains and deep valleys, smack dab through all the national and state parks you can find, mountain ranges, past lakes, across ferries, through tunnels and covered bridges, along riverbeds, over dams, through canyons, farmland, and the all general remote backwoods boonies you can handle.

Toss in a few historical sites, airplane museums and car museums along the way for good measure.

Stay off the damn interstate, whatever the cost. You'll thank yourself later.

If you have to go west to go south, do it. Find interesting and beautiful stuff and chase it.

Getting there is half the fun.

:-)

What's a good mapping program

Would anyone recommend buying a motorcycle gps

"depends"....

By planning the route in advance on the PC (googlemaps, google earth), write down the towns and road numbers along your route. Print out large on an A4, put that in your tankbag and you are good to go.

Worked for me in Taiwan, where the town names were all in symbols anyway.

So you miss a turn? Big deal, just head in the general direction

If you own a smartphone, you can always swtich on a GPS app+googlemaps when stuck.

In 2012 I flew over the pond to attend TMAC and thanks to a generous member here, had the loan of his VTEC. Brought my Garmin over which I had loaded with routes (I went to visit a buddy in TN as well).

It did help me get there, through areas that looked promising. but sometimes the GPS signal was lost due to the topography so one needs to know roughly where one is going

So with GPS, you take out some of the challenge, but never completely..

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In my understanding of the English language, pavement is sidewalk, so as I blew past this sign I though "hmmmm the has been no sidewalk". Until I looked up and saw the tarmac ending.... :-)

So GPS or not....

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If you do not already own a GPS/your car is not equipped with one and you think you will enjoy taking mc trips, yes I would buy a MC (IE waterproof/shock resistant) one. I like Garmin, others my differ.

And oh! you really do not need bicycle shorts with a padding for what you are about to ride. what you need is practice with long(er) rides.

In my understanding of the English language, pavement is sidewalk, so as I blew past this sign I though "hmmmm the has been no sidewalk". Until I looked up and saw the tarmac ending.... :-)

lol, that is hilarious! Not laughing at your interpretation, I totally understand that. But the idea of sidewalks out in the middle of nowhere and the thought going through your head "WTF? Sidewalks?"

As a side note, I did not know that cement sidewalks are called pavement. I did know about tarmac though.

Maps and GPS are a good idea. Sometimes you need to step back and see the grand scheme of things. I use the GPS to find obscure roads or addresses in towns for hotels or landmarks. Both are useful.

I often use a mapping program in advance to put in routes for day trips or the hard to find. Then I'm not faffing about on the road looking for them.

EMTintruder

Here's the suggested route from the gps, any route suggestions are welcome!

Go to Google maps. Ashland to Fancy Gap VA to Deals Gap. Set options to 'avoid highways'. Puts you on the Blue Ridge Parkway for the last half.

535 miles of twisties!

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Glenn

If you think you're going to do more motorcycle travels you might look into http://www.butlermaps.com/ . They have outstanding maps for motorcycle routes.

I never use my GPS for route planning. I use the Butler maps and Google maps to get a general idea, plot out the resulting route on Garmin Basecamp, then upload that route to my Garmin Nuvi. The result works very well. And it's one way of ensuring that you don't end up on that ruler-straight road when there was a twisty-turny alternative if you had just known to turn left 2 miles back.

If you plan on extensive motorcycle traveling then you might want to spend the money on one of the motorcycle specific GPS units, but they aren't really necessary most of the time. I have an older Garmin Nuvi that I've used extensively on my bikes and it does the job, and it didn't cost anywhere near what one of the bike GPS does. Its main drawback is that it isn't waterproof. You do want to make sure that you can load custom routes on whatever you get. I picked up a used Garmin Nuvi 760 for my step-son for $75 and it works like a champ.

I find a GPS useful when you are on previously untraveled roads (by you), and your trying to figure out how to get where your going. Also useful when your gas gauge gets low, and you don't know the area. Useful, but not necessary. Motorcyclists toured for decades without one.

I have a Garmin Nuvi I bought used on fleabay on a RAM mount, works well for me.

I've used TYRE for years with great results, but typically use google maps to zoom, preview and plan.

The street/ satellite view is fairly up to date and typically reveals what is paved and what is not.

GPS and maps are always welcome tools.

As for the travel, I remember my first long trip. I was full of anxiety and worry but pushed on. The reward of overcoming were tremendous.

Warning though, it can become addictive. You'll start to long for more time, not to go home, wondering if you missed a road somewhere.

You'll meet great people on the road (especially from this site), see things that no picture can relay to others.

Search around the site here and you'll find some great packing tips, lists and the best things to bring.

Have fun and welcome to the long road!

My furthest so far was N. Carolina back to BC Canada with CVVFR.

Longest was 27 days in a loop to and through Colorado (SumSum 1), Southern Cali, and up.

Ok IL use my car gps and a paper map, I hope to have the experience you guys do one day, another question, lol I have a Corbin seat and it seems way to hard but I like the seating position, will I get used to the firmness as the ride goes on or should I look into something different?

YOLO

Pair of short bicycle tights with gel pads can help if you Don't end up adapting well to the seat. Don't wear them From day One, only if you find the seat uncomfortable then start using them.

Be sure never to leave Headlights on or devices recharging straight off the bikes battery when the Motor is off or you'll get Stranded. Cars these days warn you with an alarm, the VFR doesn't!!

I Know it Sounds Obvious, but...

Oh yeah and try to park where you can get a Downhill run easily if you Suspect low battery charge issues. Onboard voltmeter is a good Item to install on a VFR!! So you can see if charging system starts to go haywire and get to civilization. Of course You've got roadside Assistance but if there's no Cell Phone coverage you could have a Long wait.

Remember as much as you think you have Prepared beforehand, you can't think of everything and that's why it's called an adventure!!

Sounds like a lot of folks use bicycle shorts, do you guys think I should ditch the top givi box and I st use a water proof bag or back pack tied down, I feel like my top box would catch a lot of wind? And do you guys want photos or should I get a go pro and get some video to share

Two things, I never felt my top case to be a hindrance, even at higher speeds, but I have also never had to deal with high winds, so can't say much there. I have found it to be invaluable when on a road trip though, especially making store runs and for keeping valuable "hidden" when away from the bike.

As far as seat comfort, you can always bring along a cushion like the Airhawk or even more lower profile gel pads if you're not sure about bike shorts. Both can be found at Cycle Gear I believe, if there's one near you, go check them out.

EMTintruder

Sounds like a lot of folks use bicycle shorts, do you guys think I should ditch the top givi box and I st use a water proof bag or back pack tied down, I feel like my top box would catch a lot of wind? And do you guys want photos or should I get a go pro and get some video to share

I would try the bicycle shorts before replacing the seat. I have a Sargent seat and still use bicycle shorts for long days. In addition to padding, they also help with moisture wicking. Before I got the hard saddle bags, I used the top case and a water proof bag. The top case is a great place to secure valuables during stops and is easy access for a camera or snacks at a stop. I tend to keep rain gear and other stuff in the water proof bag.

Love my top box! Keeps all my tools, rain gear, cleaning supplies, water bottles and such.

Typically leave it locked on the bike when over-nighting at hotels. Keeps everything dry, safe and handy.

Absolutely no issues with wind. Actually think it helps with downdrafts off of me, but I have mine mounted over the pillion seat, not off the back.

The only difference I feel with the top case is the front wheel seems a little happier under acceleration.

I think this is going to be my set up and will bring a empty back back in case I buy a few things along the way.

To read about "long rides", you need to go to ADVRider.com .....at any time, there are dozens of ride reports of trans-europe, trans north/south american, pan aussie etc ...rides of weeks, months and years duration. Everybody set out with a few basics in mind ...meet and make new friends, see sights that expand your mind and spirit, experience something...anything that's as far different from "everyday" as you can get ... break downs, bad weather, getting lost, bugs, crappy food, wild animals, shitty campsites and the occasional idiot in a cage or on a scooter are also included in any long trip (short trips also). Provided you have the time, the $$'s and at least one dependable person who can identify your remains, along with the bike of your choice, there,s not much holding anybody back from packing up and heading out.

And there is no better way to get to know yourself and your bike.

At 66 years old, I plan to continue making the home to the Yukon trip many more times. Freedom to travel in north america is a blessing !!

Looks like a nice stretch with plenty of potential for avoiding the slab.

Your set up looks like plenty for 500 miles. =)

BRP is one of my dream roads to ride.

If I were in the area, I'd jump in and join you for a few miles. :wheel:

I know the BRP well: I lived most of my life right near the beginning of it. If/when you ride it remember the speed limit is 45 MPH. And it's federal land, so the cops are in govt garb. And they are serious about the 45 MPH, esp. if you are on a bike. I've ridden it end to end 4-5 times, and their attitude is the same the whole length of it: Drive 45 MPH, or get impounded on the spot. My group of 3 riders went down to one (me) for doing 62 on one trip like this.

Gradus and a few friends rode with me from Charlotte NC to Little Switserland. To get me on my way and on the BRP.

as we drew near, lighting and rain greeted us. We had lunch and the suggestion was made to drop down the mountain and take the slab. Well I did not come over to ride slab.... Getting up on the BRP it was foggy and wet.

It was fan tas tic.... Sure, speeds were down to maybe 50mph but loved every moment

EMTintruder

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I think this is going to be my set up and will bring a empty back back in case I buy a few things along the way.

Looks good .

I have been touring on my VFR for over ten years. I learn something new on every single trip....that is part of the adventure! Do not worry about getting it all right as "touring lessons learned" is a journey not a destination!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As has been mentioned many times ....read trip reports here and on advrider etc.

Start small like you are doing and build the gear crap as your trips expand and as the $$$$ come in/out!

It is a ball and just do it! It is all good no matter what happens...mostly!

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I summarized many of my lessons learned in a report I did last year. Frankly many of my must dos are like breathing now just part of the tour soup!

http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php/topic/78484-v4s-to-utah-and-the-north-rim/

I use my gps to find the hotel at the end of the day. That's about it.

Other than that, it's Rand McNally Easyfold laminated road maps.

And pre-planning on Google Maps.

BonusVFR

I have been touring on my VFR for over ten years. I learn something new on every single trip....that is part of the adventure! Do not worry about getting it all right as "touring lessons learned" is a journey not a destination!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As has been mentioned many times ....read trip reports here and on advrider etc.

Start small like you are doing and build the gear crap as your trips expand and as the $$$$ come in/out!

It is a ball and just do it! It is all good no matter what happens...mostly!

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I summarized many of my lessons learned in a report I did last year. Frankly many of my must dos are like breathing now just part of the tour soup!

http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php/topic/78484-v4s-to-utah-and-the-north-rim/

That shot reminds me of this one:

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Not the most exciting stretch of road, but free of traffic and slowly drying in the morning light. I can smell the wet grass, sage brush and pine trees, and feel the cool mist as I ride into the hills ...

I too have toured many thousands of miles over the years, most of them on lesser bikes (I've only had my VFR since 2010). Follow the good advice above--and enjoy. Nothing beats the fun, adventure and zen of a few days or weeks with only the machine and the open road to occupy your thoughts.

TAKE THE TOP BOX! I've never felt it behind me. Saddle bags are only an issue if you're facing daunting cross winds like I've found in the wide open central plains. (SD/NE/KS/OK) I usually have my top box almost empty, I just keep an old school monster-sized atlas and a pair of tennis shoes in there for longer walks and times when I'm in shorts and don't want to wear my tall riding boots. That leaves plenty of room for my jacket and/or helmet to be locked up when I want to ditch them for a while. Also leaves room for souvenirs and keeps the CG low on the bike. Sometimes I leave the saddle bags at home and just run with the tank bag and top box for better fuel mileage. Your top box is your friend!

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I've got a massive 55 litre Givi top box that's barely noticeable. Even passing through the wind tunnel of West Texas last April in 6 hours of 50 mph winds, it hardly makes a difference

My Givi is my best friend. :)

While it make you look like a pizza delivery, it sure is a good thing to have on trips. allowing you to lock away things instead of lugging it with you. Inside a restaurant of visiting something along the way.

Your bike looks 100% made for long distance touring....

but should you get cold feet, buy me a return ticking to the US and I will do the trip for you. What are friends for eh? :goofy:

Oh yeah and try and park the bike on the centrestand ALWAYS. I got lazy and used the side stand and a very strong gust of wind tipped the bike over and down into a shallow ditch such that the bike was on a slope upside Down and getting it up in that position was impossible. I had to add insult to Injury and scrape up the fairings even more by Having to Drag the thing around to a position I could lift it up From. Oh and Take the Topbox and all extra weight off before trying to lift it, it already weighs a quarter of a tonne. And if there's absolutely No-one in sight to help, do it before the adrenalin wears off. And use your legs not your Back... there are videos on YouTube with a particular technique.

In Aigust of 2013 I rode my 1200f from Reno to Ft Leavenworth, 3500 miles, spent 3 days going and coming home, 2 days at a friends house. A lot of prep for the route, new tires, oil change, and weather gear, all types of weather, biggest problem was my ear buds were very painful, so my music only lasted a day, other than that, it was epic.

With everything that's been said, hope you've been taking notes. My thinking is be prepared and JUST DO IT. Back in the 80's when I bought my new 84 Interceptor every year we would of course go over the entire bike before takin off for Laguna, then my buddy and I would either flip a coin after the race on Monday to figure which direction we were heading, with absolutely no plans on our destination. We didn't even have flat repair kit..nothing but a few extra tools. Oregon ,Colorado ,Utah Tahoe, and many many more. The best memories of my life, or should I say the top three besides my Wife and Boy.

All the anxiety will leave once you get on your bike and go. Good luck and DON'T forget the RV AAA

With the stator issues the vfr can have should I be worried about installing a charger for gps on my bike

Like several people have suggested, the best thing to install is a voltmeter. If you have that a plug for the GPS is not a problem. I have my GPS wired to the bike through a Blue Seas fuse box. If you wire it direct just remember to use an inline fuse.

My dad and I and a friend started taking long trips 4 years ago. Every time we go something happens. It's just part of the trip. First year my battery died (ended up being bad R/R), luckily happened in a town with a walmart. Second year friends harley battery dies. Yea push starting a harley doesnt happen. Can't remember other years but something happend.

Obviously not so bad when in a group, but the best advice I can give you is.............

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I made a trip from Atlanta to Ky and had a break down. As it happened one of our VFRD members was about five miles away and came over to help me out. I agree with Wera803. The best way to get over the fear is to do it. When I was on my epic ride from Atlanta to Ontario and back I broke down in the middle of nowhere but it was about 15 minutes before some guy with a flat bad truck came by and helped me take the bike to a dealer about 20 miles away. As long as you have a check book (credit card is better) and a cell phone, no break down is unto death.

Just dont ride while its extremely hot or cold and always have some water and food with you.

Great tips, thanks guys! I'm gunna go out and buy a go pro and a motorcycle gps, for the trip, lol

If you want to try a Gopro before you buy one, Killboy rents them for a pretty reasonable rate.

SEBSPEED

One of the best motorcycle trip planning tips I ever read, is to send yourself a care package ahead of time to your destination. Why lug all the stuff with you, when you only need half of it before you get there?

Great Idea!

EMTintruder

I see a lot of people that go have track suits, is this something I should purchase before I go? I have motorcycle Jean's with armor, and wear gloves and shift racing leather jacket,

Have not read all posts but look at the pros and cons of leather, it will be spring yes. The only advantage of leather to me is leather bites where textile slides. Look at that the pros and cons and usage.

ecn

American Motorcycle Association membership includes free roadside assistance and costs less than the expanded AAA bike coverage.

AAA, AMA and Honda have roadside assistance. Think Honda's plan will tow it to nearest dealer regardless of miles.

Have posted to many and wanted to say the most important thing, have fun!

How do I get ahold of killboy?

EMTintruder

How do I get ahold of killboy?

Try here...

http://www.killboy.com/

landlover

EMTintruder

I see a lot of people that go have track suits, is this something I should purchase before I go? I have motorcycle Jean's with armor, and wear gloves and shift racing leather jacket,

Have not read all posts but look at the pros and cons of leather, it will be spring yes. The only advantage of leather to me is leather bites where textile slides. Look at that the pros and cons and usage.

Not sure what you mean by leather "bites" and textile slides. Have you seen any track races where a rider crashes? They usually just slide right off the track. These guys are not wearing textile suits! It does though, really depend on the type of leather, the suit construction and how one lands when they crash. Not all leather is the same, there are so many different "leathers" out there now, goat hide, kangaroo hide, stingray, and of course cow hide. So even between leather suits there can be a significant difference in "sliding" performance. Whether one slides or not is relative to how they land and unless you're on the edge of a cliff, sliding is much more preferred to "bouncing" through your crash.

For the OP, one thing to note, with a leather suit, unless the "incident" is really bad, the suit will usually hold up for more than one incident. Ever seen suits on some of these racers and canyon riders? Some pretty beat up suits out there but they're still wearable and functional, albeit a bit scuffed up. Textile gear usually last the one time, again depending on the incident and does not usually allow for continued use after performing its job. I am not knocking textile, I own 2 textile suits but I also own 2 leather suits. If I am planning on doing any real spirited riding, the leathers go on no if's and's or but's! If I'm touring or just tooling around town however, the textile will most likely be my go to gear.

As stated by landlover, look into the pros and cons of both before you decide but if going for a leather suit, I would suggest a two piece that zips together, preferably with a full circumference zipper. These are made more for "average" use and allow the jacket to come off when not on the bike, making wearing the suit less cumbersome when eating or walking around. One piece suits are typically meant for racing and usually come "pre-curved", meaning that the suit is shaped more for the racing "tuck" position and is a lot less comfortable when off the bike. The two suits I have are almost identical except one is perforated for spring/summer. The other is non-perforated and is meant more for fall/winter. The latter suit I have been wearing lately and have purchased different under garments for the different temperature ranges we been having lately. The Cycle Gear 'Freeze Out' stuff for when the temps are low and compression shirt/pants when it's mild. When it's really cold I am trying a new route...active heated gear. (more detail below)

When looking into suits, leather or textile, some come with removable liners which give a little more flexibility to when you can wear it. One of my textile suits has liners for when it gets cold, which means it can extend my riding into cooler climates and/or vice verse, remove it when it gets warmer. I like to also wear a back protector, not the one that goes inside a pocket in the jacket but the kind you strap on your back, so you may also look into getting a suit that fits a little looser if going this same route. Also, if you plan on doing any cold weather riding, look into active heated gear that you can wear under the suit. But look at this first as not all heated gear is the same. Some liners are much thicker than others and you'll want to have this gear on when trying on a suit. I bought some 'Venture Heat' Jacket and glove liners, the jacket liner is about the same thickness as a wind breaker and fits under my suit really well. The glove liners are a bit thicker than the silk liners I use, so I do need to find slightly larger gloves now.

Cheers

I usually take a long 5000 or a 3000 mile round trip ride every year, honestly I have ridden most the roads around here so much I get wonderlust to go elsewhere. I have had a few incidents, I was riding a back road that was chip sealed with flint rock and got a puncture on my back tire, I have a plug kit and pump and just sat in the parking lot of a gas station and fixed it. Took an hour, my buddy Rob waited patiently, it was raining rather hard. Best thing to do is to go over your bike carefully before leaving, make sure you have good tires, a chain with life in it, insure your charging system is not faltering, the engine is in good shape, change the oil, make sure your suspension is in good shape. Just get your bike ready beforehand and the issues on the road can be minimized. Take the time to do the maintenance before you go that the bike needs.

Honestly Kentucky to the Deals gap is not a big deal!

I would vote against a GoPro (for now)

As you are new to this touring game and maybe loads of twisties, knowing that there is a camera filming your every move, might make you focus more on looking good than focussing on the road and filling your brain with priceless memories.

Pull over at scenic spots, take a few pictures (post them on VFRD!) and enjoy the ride for you, not for FB.....

Dutchy

...might make you focus more on looking good than focussing on the road...

I think this is what is going on over at the Snake here in So Cal. The infamous corner that has tons of videos all over YouTube of people wiping out, isn't anything that difficult but none the less, all sorts of wipe outs are captured there. The consensus amongst the locals here is that people are so preoccupied about looking good for the camera that they lose focus on riding.

Duc2V4

Dutchy

...might make you focus more on looking good than focussing on the road...

I think this is what is going on over at the Snake here in So Cal. The infamous corner that has tons of videos all over YouTube of people wiping out, isn't anything that difficult but none the less, all sorts of wipe outs are captured there. The consensus amongst the locals here is that people are so preoccupied about looking good for the camera that they lose focus on riding.

There's a handful of interesting corners, but nothing too technical or hard. Try Latigo.

First time I touched down my VFRs foot peg down was near the bottom going uphill on the snake.

It's looking stupid (as it turns out) for the camera and friends, but also lack of skill as a cause.

In a big way for some of them. Ha Haa! :rolleyes:

Or should I say, Doh! :ohmy:

Iv been riding for 5 years and been able to keep within my limits so far, I'm just getting camera to record my first trip

I understand what you guy are saying but I'd hate to take my first trip and not record it.

EMTintruder

I understand what you guy are saying but I'd hate to take my first trip and not record it.

Don't get me wrong, I was just stating what I thought was the cause of so many accidents on that one particular corner of the Snake. I would whole heartily suggest bringing some sort of video recording device, however, be advised that depending on the size of the SD card and battery, you might find yourself having way too much footage and it will take a while to filter it down to something more viewable. Or on the other end, you also might run out of SD MEM and/or battery, so maybe plan on bringing an extra battery or two and maybe an extra SD card or two. Oh and possibly a way to keep the batteries charged up on the go.

I guess I've been riding too long and have been way too lucky. Plus I do not ride ever, to fuss with videos or audios. I have been one damned lucky sumbitch, though. One flat in the garage. One spun clutch disc w/in a block of the house. One failed turn signal switch. 2 fuel starved events, both an easy walk with a fuel bladder. I ferry bikes for friends and friends of theirs, who don't ride many miles.. 2 this past summer. Massachusetts to Naggs Head, NC. MA to Knoxville, TN, both done in 3 days. I give those bikes a fairly careful once over and often leave the same day. ATGATT, head to toe. Casual jacket, Jeans or kakis, rain gear, 2 shirts + walking shoes and toiletries. I love putting miles on other peoples bikes; collecting an airline ticket home. Never had a breakdown on someone else's bike. Though a certain ST1200 had bad stem bearings. For crying out loud. You're an adult. As a 'friend(?) used to say; Saddle up and get the **** out of here.. I turned 80 last October. Been riding 64 years. Think how far down the road you could have been from when this diatribe began. Cripes, I wish I had as much time as you do. Good fortune, R3~

Don't worry too much about the video you do or don't get. Nobody but you will ever look at it more than once, or want to as far as that goes. I've taken some video in the past, but now I just snap some pics since I'm the only one that's interested in them. I've got 800 million photos stashed in the storage room downstairs, most of which have never been looked at in 30 years. Don't fixate on photos and video so much that you don't just enjoy the ride.

EMTintruder

I understand what you guy are saying but I'd hate to take my first trip and not record it.

Hell yes record it . In the winter, I love to replay the summers video recording.

Ok guys last thing, I need a list of things you recommend getting since I plan on doing a lot of touring, gear, luggage, accessories, ext.. my wife is letting me spend our tax returns on it this year

There's a thread on that topic here somewhere... with everyone's 5 cents' worth...

This is one thread on that topic but not the one I was thinking of...

http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php/topic/59738-long-distance-travel-must-haves/page-5?hl=list

You're gonna have to make your own list EMT.

Otherwise it will be way too long.

BTW, make sure it all fits on the bike with a little room to spare. :goofy:

EMTintruder

Ok guys last thing, I need a list of things you recommend getting since I plan on doing a lot of touring, gear, luggage, accessories, ext.. my wife is letting me spend our tax returns on it this year

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I would spend the money first on some comfortable gear. I used to wear bicycle shorts too and found those work well. But now, whether I am wearing my textile or leather suit (both two piece suits) I always wear a synthetic or merino wool base layer from e.g. Odlo or Patagonia, I think similar gear from Under Armour is used by a lot of the US VFRD members. Briefs, long john and long sleeve shirt with maybe an extra t-shirt, that's all. The T-shirt is also the same material, not cotton or any other material that absorbs moisture (e.g. sweat). These special fabrics not only keep you comfortable all day long, they also dry very quick so at the end of the day I give them a quick wash and they're ready to put on the next morning. Not something I do as I always bring at least one extra set and use another set the next day.

As you allready have a leather jacket I would suggest leather riding pants, a pair of quality waterproof motorcycle boots and a pair motorcycle gloves. I like to bring a spare set of gloves too.

When possible sign up to TexasMac. Riding in the mountains is very different fro commuting in the city and it is nice to be able to follow another rider that has some experience in riding the twisties. Also when in a group you do not have to worry as much about directions and can focus more on riding and enjoying the scenery. And when time and money permits: take the long way home.

Damn that bike is hawt!

V4 Rosso

...I think similar gear from Under Armour is used by a lot of the US VFRD members.

It's over here too and excellent stuff!

To the OP.....just do it! I appreciate yr misgivings but it'll be fine. Don't bite off more than you can chew, take a few "what if" items but not a boatload and the main thing is to enjoy it!

Take cash, credit card, just do it. :beer:

Post pics here after. :happy:

A bad day on a motorcycle is better then a good day at work.

Take some tools and a plug kit and a slime compressor. Make sure you have tools to get to your tools.

Take water and goods snacks. Nuts, trail mix ect.