My "track Use" Vfr

• Forks from a 1989 Suzuki GSXR (with preload, compression and rebound settings).
• Front wheel from a Bimota YB9, with adapters for the stock VFR brake rotors
• Front brake caliper from a Yamaha FZR 1000, with adapters for the Suzuki forks.
• Handlebars from Kawasaki ZX-10R, with adapters for the Suzuki forks.
• Footpegs from an old CBR 600, with adapters working on stock fixing points.
• Steel exhaust can designed by me.
• Rear steel subframe built on my measure.
• Rear Ohlins shock with custom setup for my weight (95 kg) lenghtned 5 mm than stock shock
• Alloy fuel tank (to finish) with fuel pump from F4 CBR 600.

Looks awesome so far! Can't wait to see the finished product. Can you post more pics in your gallery? What weight target are you shooting for? What is the foil looking material below the fuel tank? Is that heat shielding material?

-Roger

• In gallery i've posted the sigle parts of the exhaust can, have you saw it?
• Actually i've not a target weight. For the moment i think to make the modification to run the bike.
• The foil under the tank is just a cotton cover to keep the engine protect from dirt.

Interesting.

Why not go with an RC51 or F4i complete front end instead? Should have better suspenders, brakes, and wheel options either way.

Why bother with an aluminum fuel cell on such a heavy bike? Wait, let me guess, you are a welder. :fing02: Nice beads.

• Browsing the site i saw many front end modification with RC51 forks that i assume it 's perfect for VFR, but here in Italy such fork are hard to find and very expensive.
• I bought the Suzuki fork mounted many years ago for few euros and so, when i've bought the bike... I was lucky with the measures too. The offset value of the fork is the same and so the trail of the bike remain unchanged.
• No, i'm not a welder. The stock tank was OK. The alloy fuel tank is just to try to make something different.

Sweet project! Something I've wanted to do myself, but lack the fabricating skills for it. Since you look to have raised the foot pegs those should be fine, but these bikes have a habit of dragging the headers. Maybe your properly sorted suspension will cure that?
Good luck and bring on the pics as you go! :fing02:

• I've designed the foot pegs adapters to have the position of the feet around at same the stock position.
• For the bike behavior once finished keep i can say nothing of sure. I just can say that i try to have a driving position charging the front end a little bit more than the stock but i don't want exaggerate. For the rest once on track i think to spend much time finding the right set-up

Kudos to you - I am having a hard time visualizing the body work. Isnt the exhaust about where the seat would be?

Kudos to you - I am having a hard time visualizing the body work. Isnt the exhaust about where the seat would be?

MD

Hi to all

Here i post the last photos about my work


11th March 2009
This is the situation at the moment.
Instead the alluminium tank of the first photo i've installed a tank of an old 1987 CBR 600 (in US called Hurricane).

Swingarm
The rear train are waiting for a 520 transmission, a chain cover to protect the brake line and a mudguard for the wheel...
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Step and support - left hand

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Step and support - right hand
This is a modification, very simple to do, to be free to mount any kind of footstep needed. It works in the same way and on the same stock working point without any permanent modification. Now i've mounted the step of the same CBR 600 of the tank, but i can fit any other i need. With the lever mounted in the way you wil see the first gear will be engaged pulling up and the other gears pushing down the lever.

That's all for the moment, hope you will found interesting.

ciao, Luigi.

Doesn't look like junk to me, and not everyone can afford the latest and greatest parts. Luigi seems to know what he's doing.

I like the footpeg replacement parts, very ingenious! Nice work on the tank mods too, this will be a project worth following :rolleyes:

Sorry about the crash Luigi, hopefully not too bad for you.

As for the project, looks interesting.
I have to wonder why not use a front end from 1 bike instead of mixing parts from 4 bikes?
But, if you can make it work right, more power to ya. :fing02:

hey dude very cool I am looking for rearsets for my bike I have a 99 vfr and was wondering what cbr600 you used the peg set from was it an F2 or F3 or F4 ? or prior ? Thanks for the help good luck on the finished piece.

Luigi,

How are you doing and how is the healing going? Your avatar explains a lot of it, just wanted an update on your condition.

Hope your doing great! :rolleyes:

BR

Luigi,
How are you doing and how is the healing going? Your avatar explains a lot of it, just wanted an update on your condition.Hope your doing great!
BR

Looking at the X-ray, maybe he had some leftover parts from the YZF1000 or the GSXR that they put in there!

Get well soon!

Luigi, I hope you're feeling better! This bike brings a tear to my eye, how you say, bellisimo? :fing02:
You should post up the measurements of that subframe when you're finished (and able) It looks ideal!

• a little tank collected to the cranckcase breather tube that on the stock VFR goes to the air-box.
• a simple case for the Power Commander unit
• the support for the shock reservoir

luigi

Anyway, i don't know the North Carolina roads,

typical roads in carolina

timmythecop

luigi

Anyway, i don't know the North Carolina roads,

typical roads in carolina

[video: https://www.youtube.com/embed/E9sFU3nLiW0?feature=oembed]

Cool

timmythecop

typical roads in carolina...

I just can dream this kind of roads, here where i live. :blush:

Myabe around the region of Trentino, but not so wide and lonely.

For the common italian sport riding style you rode too much road behind the pick-up.

This why you are gentle and kind rider or because police is nasty? :laughing6-hehe:

Ciao, Luigi.

luigi

This why you are gentle and kind rider or because police is nasty? :laughing6-hehe:

Ciao, Luigi.

Timmy is both kind and nasty police! :laughing6-hehe:

BaileyRock

luigi

This why you are gentle and kind rider or because police is nasty? :laughing6-hehe:

Ciao, Luigi.

Timmy is both kind and nasty police! :laughing6-hehe:

No - its because Timmy IS the BEST kind of Police. one that rides and is a real person. :beer:

BaileyRock

Timmy is both kind and nasty police! :laughing6-hehe:

oops, er.., ehm, :goofy:...what we was talking about? What's the weather in Carolina? :blush:

luigi

BaileyRock

Timmy is both kind and nasty police! :laughing6-hehe:

oops, er.., ehm, :goofy:...what we was talking about? What's the weather in Carolina? :blush:

No worries, Timmy's a great Guy and Good Cop with a great sense of humor! :fing02:

BaileyRock

No worries, Timmy's a great Guy and Good Cop with a great sense of humor! :fing02:

:beer: OK. One beer of penalty for all the forum members :beer:

Hi to all.

Slower than the expectations but work are in progress.

Last works to finish:

- wiring harness simplified

- rear brake lever modification

- new exhaust

- rev counter and water temperature better positioned

- fairing and rear tail

Once the bike have made first laps on track new modifications are in project:

- complete 2009 Suzuki 750 GSXR front end with upside down forks, radial brake calipers and radial master cylinder.

- 2000 CBR 600 F4 front wheel with 1999 CBR 1100XX brake discs (310mm diameter)

- 1993 CBR 900 rear swingarm (much lighter than VFR stock) with 2000 CBR 600 F4 rear wheel.

- an engine modification that i talk you about later (when i'll be sure that is possible)


Ciao, Luigi.

I weighed the 4th gen VFR swingarm at 26.6 lbs. That was with all of the guts (rotors, hub, sprocket, ect.)

How much does the 900RR swingarm weigh?

Triumph Speed Triple swingarms weighs a portly 37 lbs. Good thing it won't fit on the VFR.

luigi

Hi to all.

Slower than the expectations but work are in progress.

Here's the updated situation.

Last works to finish:

- wiring harness simplified

- rear brake lever modification

- new exhaust

- rev counter and water temperature better positioned

- fairing and rear tail

Once the bike have made first laps on track new modifications are in project:

- complete 2009 Suzuki 750 GSXR front end with upside down forks, radial brake calipers and radial master cylinder.

- 2000 CBR 600 F4 front wheel with 1999 CBR 1100XX brake discs (310mm diameter)

- 1993 CBR 900 rear swingarm (much lighter than VFR stock) with 2000 CBR 600 F4 rear wheel.

- an engine modification that i talk you about later (when i'll be sure that is possible)

Ciao, Luigi.

Hi - This has been a fun thread to watch. Good luck Luigi. :fing02:

YoshiHNS

I weighed the 4th gen VFR swingarm at 26.6 lbs. That was with all of the guts (rotors, hub, sprocket, ect.)

How much does the 900RR swingarm weigh?

Triumph Speed Triple swingarms weighs a portly 37 lbs. Good thing it won't fit on the VFR.

Great info - - anybody ever weigh 5th and 6th gen swingarms?

YoshiHNS

...how much does the 900RR swingarm weigh?

Hello.

I not weightned swingarm yet since i'm late with work and i prefer finish the bike for the season, so i can't answer you

Keep in count that with this mod i can eliminate the heavy steel rear axle that alone weight not less than 700/800 grams (1.5 / 1.7 lbs, if i correctly converted) and all other swingarm parts.

More don't forget that the VFR swingarm are almost completely made with cast fusion with thick walls, consistently heaviest than the CBR, made in alloy sheet and profiles welded. Handling it i can feel a great difference but at this moment i can't tell you a number. When i did the mod i'll post all weights for sure.

Weight reduction is not the only goal. I'll have a consistently wheelbase reduction wheter CBR swingarm is shorter, than to install it i 'll made a C-style cut in the pivot spindle passage to adapt it to the VFR cranckcase.

Maybe this can be a source of handling problems, 'cause this means a whole bike weight balancing upsettings, but i'll work to solve it.

Like you understand, this bike will never ends (i live near Milano and here a work of this kind can be designated like "it will never end like Milano Dome"), but i have great fun anyway...

ciao, Luigi.

mello dude

Hi - This has been a fun thread to watch. Good luck Luigi. :fing02:

Thank You! :biggrin:

YoshiHNS

...how much does the 900RR swingarm weigh?

I would put money on it being almost exactly half the weight of the VFR piece.

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

Can't wait to see the final results. Looking good so far.

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YoshiHNS

...how much does the 900RR swingarm weigh?

I would put money on it being almost exactly half the weight of the VFR piece.

Pretty substantial difference then! Wheel would be far lighter too. RV4 put one on his ultralight VFR.

Good to see the project moving along Luigi, hope you're doing well physically?

I have a 600 f4 unit that I just weighted. This was with the axle, spindle, brake caliper and mount , chain adjusters and a little dirt. 16 lbs.

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I would put money on it being almost exactly half the weight of the VFR piece.

I think It would be a great result!

The Phantom

Good to see the project moving along Luigi...

Thank you.

The Phantom

..hope you're doing well physically?

Sorry Phantom but i can't traslate well. What do you mean? Maybe about my crash?

dr.toto

I have a 600 f4 unit that I just weighted. This was with the axle, spindle, brake caliper and mount , chain adjusters and a little dirt. 16 lbs.

16 lbs, hence little bit more than 7 kg.

Thank you.

What exactly goes where when you install these spacers/bushes?

Hi to all.

I know, it's an old never ending story about this project but, since i never lost the hope to finish it, i restart the work to have a 5th gen VFR to use for track days.

So i would like to show you the latest modifications on the exhaust system, the front fork and the cooling system.

As you can see i've installed the two complete fork legs coming from a 2008 Suzuki GSX-R 600 (i know that in US there's many VFR that uses the VTR SP fork, but in Italy this kind of suspension are not so easy to find used and the price are anyway expensive.) The clamp are designed by me and are manufactured on CNC. The clamp offset are reduced to 30 mm from the stock measure that is 37mm.

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This is the exhaust system routing. The pipes are finished but the compensation chamber are still incomplete. Below, on the right, the main cooler, made by the union of the two stock elements and mounted in front position to have more cooling effect. Above, always on right the additional cooler, made by the union of two scooter Honda coolers.

As you can see, this cooling system solution shows a problem, the main cooler low edges surely go to scratch at the first lean angle, so i studied another solution that show you later.

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I've choosed to remove the oil cooler, instead i've installed the intercooler used on the CBR 900 (i don't remember the year, it seems the 93 but i can fail) To have more cooling effect, since the water have the additional charge to cool down the oil too, i tought to mount a supplementary water cooler in the same place where the oil cooler was placed.

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This is a schematic compensation chamber description. This i the solution that i found to have all four pipes with same lenght and have one junction point. I respected the stock pipe leght (around 670 mm). The view point of this drawing is the "front wheel" point of view seeing to rear of the bike.

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This is the main cooler, obtained by the union from the two stock coolers, here are just positioned...

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..and here the final result once completed. This in theory why, as you seen this cooler is too height, so i tought an alternative solution that is

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...this. This is just an example, created with Photoshop. The final cooler anyway will be very similar. Conceptually i will use one stock cooler and one that is again the Honda scooter part, united with alluminium sheet formed. Once created and mounted i will post pictures.

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This is the sequence followed to obtain the supplementary water cooler. Two scooter Honda coolers with removed all fixing points, hose joints and the two central "shoulders".

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The final step. Red line shows the welding to unite it. After, in the low side, cooler was be holed to apply the joints for the hoses to connect it to main cooler.

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That's all, for the moment.

Ciao, Luigi.

Wow, lots of work on the radiators. I hope they will not leak.

Good luck!

Luigi,

i have used the top radiator from a suzuki TL1000R with an oil cooler from a honda SP1. It worked very well.

I had to move the inlet on the radiator from Left side to right side, but very easy.

As it was a "made in China" copy, it started leaking after a year - it also looked a bit wide on my streetfighter with no bodywork.

I have a custom made narrower radiator to mount, that has a 42mm core instead of standard 16mm core.

Nice work! Keep it up.

Hi.

Yes, the water leakage is the great doubt abou this work, but i'm confident in the welders experience.

I have no idea about dimension and shape of the TL1000R, but could be interesting some pics!

Thank you slowbird i'will keep you all update.

Ciao, Luigi.

Good to see you still working on this thing, Luigi!

Thank you Phantom.

I had many reasons to suspend the work, but the dream to see her running is always alive.

Hope to finish everything for the next racing season. In Italy there'a a class where the VFR can start...

Luigi, here is a link to my thread, because it's easier than....
http://www.vfrdiscus...er/#entry916303

Very interesting, keef.

Now i've gave a fast sight to your thread, but i will keep for me some time to read it with more attention.

Honestly, i never tought to the Suzuki TL / SV radiator for my mod. I always keep the OEM radiators the starting point for the work, but i i see that many other coolers works great. My first goal is have cooling power enough to control the engine heat and the oil temperature in that hard situation that is the thr track use, where VFR often shows his limit with cooling.

Complimenti Luigi. Gran bel lavoro, soprattutto i radiatori, mi affascinano.

Grazie!

Purtroppo proprio il radiatore inferiore mi sta dando un pò di lavoro.

Infatti con la larghezza che aveva nelle foto che vedi e per la sua posizione, era certo che alla prima piega toccasse terra, perciò lo sto modificando nella parte bassa rimuovendo uno dei due elementi originali che lo componevano, applicandone uno più stretto. Ora tutto il blocco non sporge più.

Una volta eliminati due piccoli trafilaggi dovuti alle numerose saldature (d'altronde sapevo di questo rischio) posterò la nuova conformazione.

Ciao, Luigi.

Io ho iniziato questo progetto molto tempo fà con l'unico obbiettivo di realizzare una versione quanto più possibile adatta alla pista.

Di consguenza peso e manoggevolezza sono entrambi due fattori che fanno parte delle realizzazione di questo progetto.

Non ho dei valori di riferimento, anche perchè il trasformare una VFR 800 del 98 in una racer comporta già un notevole lavoro anche solo per avvicinare questo punto di arrivo. Dei numeri si potrà parlare solo in seguito.

La superficie radiante è stata aumentata a prescindere dagli eventuali interventi previsti sul motore (che comunque avrei in programma).

L'aumento della superficie è stato anche un "obbligo" per il fatto che, spostando i radiatori frontalmente, lo spazio a disposizione mi ha costretto a sfruttare ogni centimetro disponibile. Considera poi che ho rimosso il radiatore dell'olio sostituendolo con uno scambiatore di calore di un CBR, quindi un certo aumento dell'efficienza del sistema di refrigerazione era necessaria. Inoltre dalle voci raccolte nei vari forum, l'aumento delle temperature del VFR usato in pista è un fatto diffuso, quindi ho pensato di dare una bella "ripensatina" al tutto.

Tieni presente che il VFR che ho usato come base è un mezzo che ho acquistato incidentato e radiato, quindi non è assolutamente previsto un suo uso in strada.

Se hai già qualche foto del tuo progetto pubblicale, sono sempre interessato a vedere progetti di personalizzazione, anche solo di estetica.

Ciao Luigi.

Looks great Luigi!

I hope you were able to complete the lower radiator leak repairs and have success with your cooling modifications.

I look forward to more information on your track bike build.

I'm confident in the welders professionality (and in their patience.. :biggrin: )

This is the first forum where i post news about my project, don't worry!

Ciao, Luigi