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Tyga Vfr800 Headers

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#1

I heard from Tyga regarding building VFR800 headers to our agreed upon specs... Their response, "Yes, we are interested..."

A quick update to those tuning in late... I've been working on getting new VFR800 performance headers made for about 3+ years. in June 2014 I requested information from Two Brothers Racing (TBR) about the possibility of re-releasing the 5th gen performance headers. I received a response from Greg at TBR in July 2014 forwarding information from the CEO stating, "We can re-produce the VFR800 headers 1998-2001 with 100 pre-paid orders...." $800 for a full system, $600 for headers only, 12 weeks lead time after the 100 orders are paid. Not very promising. I contacted many manufacturers over the course of the next year and a half documented in this thread:

http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php/topic/78592-potential-re-release-of-two-brothers-racing-vfr800-headers/page-1

I gave them the following information, e.g. this letter to Staintune:

My fellow VFR800 enthusiasts and I are trying to find a place to get performance exhaust headers made for our beloved VFR800s. The earlier VFR800s engines are direct descendants of the cutting edge RC45 homologated race machine of the 90's and the 800's are capable of so much more performance. We contacted DimSport in Italy and they agreed to make plug & play wiring harnesses and develop ignition/fueling maps for our bikes to run the RapidBike EVO & Race modules and only required a minimum of 10 orders to start the work... we are up to 20 purchases and still counting! We are looking to interest your company to (produce) performance exhaust system headers... catless race use only;). Granted, Motad & Delkavic produce stainless steel headers but they have the stock tubing diameters and don't offer the opportunity for performance increases. Here's our key point... headers for any VFR800 will fit ALL the VFR800s! If someone will make these headers there are hundreds of thousands of bikes spanning 16 years of VFR800s that it will fit!!! People are interested; we have 26 people signed up and committed to buy and over 63,000 views on our group buy thread. if you made the performance headers for the new 2015 VFR800 it would be for a current model not an older model... and it would fit all the VFR800s from 1998 to 2009 (2010 in some parts of the world!) + the new model years. You would already have 26 orders right off the start! That should more than cover the tooling costs. And headers with a stock discharge location would fit current slip on models so you would have a full system with parts already on the shelf!!! Add a center stand stop and O2 bungs to the headers and you would have a versatile system that would fit hundreds of thousands of bikes around the world. Word would spread... the new 2014-15 VFR800 owners are already modifying their bikes and exhausts as we write... Don Guhl has developed ECU re-flashes for the VFR1200 and the 2006-2009 VFR800s, the new model will be next... adding 10-15 hp to this new bike will really wake it up and keep the people talking about it but it needs a proper exhaust to do that... " It amazes us that no one makes performance headers for our VFR800s. I have the tubing specs and I could likely have a VFR800 brought to (you) for designing a jig or I could send a set of headers for your use. Using 304 stainless steel the easiest and least expensive materials on my side of the pond is 18 gauge 1.5 (1 1/2) inch primary tubing leading into 18 gauge 1.63 (1 5/8) inch secondary that flows into 18 gauge 2.0 inch final collector. This gives a close ID (Inner Diameter) to the stock RC45 exhaust headers. Primaries (ID) = 35 mm Secondaries (ID) = 39 mm Final Collector (ID) = 49 mm If you can fabricate the headers with two oxygen sensor bungs and include a center stand stop like the later VFR800 headers and have a stock location for the discharge of the final collector then the headers will fit the widest number of model years with minimal modifications and would allow the use of auto-tuning fuel injection management. Headers with this configuration will fit VFR800s from 1998 to the current model year and bolt up to existing slip-ons (NOTE: additional research & work is needed, it appears 8th gen front primaries are routed different due to the front mount rads). These are the requested configuration details of the 25+ VFR800 owners I have lined up for these headers. I'm sure you already know from a performance perspective, small convergent angle collectors (<15 degrees if possible) will provide the best flow and performance and would be desired if possible. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the project. Please let me know if you need any additional details. Thank you for your consideration and time... No one was as enthusiastic about performance headers for the VFR800 as we were and there were no takers for building our headers... Next, I offered to put up $6000 USD to Tyga and Staintune for 10 headers and they realized I am serious. During my conversations with Paul at Tyga he told me they wanted to wait until they expanded their exhaust manufacturing capabilities. My offer was well timed and they just received their new tubing bender. They wish to fine tune their process and get used to the new equipment before starting our complex headers. The Christmas holidays are approaching and they will start next year on the VFR800 header project!!! Here is the email from Tyga: Great to hear from you again. Yes, we are interested, especially if you are willing to help us carry some of the investment costs. It will definitely be a big factor in getting this project underway. Not only does it help with the investment but it hints that there must be a solid market if you are willing to invest so much in it.

We just got a new tube bender with all the bells and whistles and want to do a couple of less challenging jobs on it. After that, I think it would be a good project to do the VFR800 exhaust. I’ll source a bike locally, one way or the other. Frankly though, with Christmas just round the corner, it is going to be early next year at the earliest before we see any progress.

Anyway, let’s keep in touch.

Paul

Below are the first members in bold from our initial list that have re-committed personally to me for the first ten headers. Pricing currently will be $600 plus shipping; I'm not making a cent on this activity and this is all for the VFR800 community. Please confirm or remove your commitment by replying to this thread.

I may be able to increase the size of the initial order.Please reply with your commitment/removal and let me know if you will be able to have the funds available early next year to pull the trigger.

Thanks!

Russ

PS: This is for the Tyga Headers only at this time

  • Rush2112 -
  • Rush2112 -
  • JDMBird -
  • CornerCarver -
  • CornerCarver -
  • jim v -
  • Wera803
  • FJ12Ryder
  • MBrane -
  • MBrane -
  • vfrcapn
  • RoadToed
  • L8Apex
  • dgordon
  • AWP34
  • Beesting
  • Mello Dude
  • jnyquist
  • artpongs
  • WackenSS -
  • RazorWing
  • Kenn
  • MadScientist -
  • HighSideNZ
  • HKSBR
  • sdouble (8th gen)
  • HRCCBR -
  • boOZZIE -
  • huntinggunns (8th gen)
  • jerritt
  • VFRRR -
  • smoke4ndmears (8th gen) -
  • Aimbot9000 -
  • JZH

From the first ten in the original thread I removed mspence82 because that user doesn't come up any more and aokman hasn't been active on the site for more than 6 months.

EDIT: Highlighted others after the first ten who have also committed to purchase

Edited March 21, 2016 by Rush2112
#2

Great accomplishment Russ! Congratulations and thanks for all this work for your fellow VFRD members!!! :cheerleader:

BR

#3

Think you could convince them to whip up a Y pipe, down tube, and carbon fiber Remus / Leo Vince clone cans while you're at it?

#4
tbzep

Think you could convince them to whip up a Y pipe, down tube, and carbon fiber Remus / Leo Vince clone cans while you're at it?

Baby steps, Grasshopper...

#5

Count me in. Thanks for all the hard work rush.

#6

If Tyga builds a header, I'm still in.

#7

Tyga finally comes through!! I'm in, full stop.

#8

Count me in

#9

Brilliant effort Rush. Rather than stick rigidly to your measurement which are effectively TBR's from the late 90's, might I suggest you allow Tyga to use their skills and dyno to hopefully make a better product.

I know they do work with Ti exhausts & assuming they can offer this option I'll keep an eye on your progress. If dyno results match expectations, then I'd be interested in a set in Ti.

Thanks for all the hard work, perseverance can pay off :)

PS remember what HighsideNZ discovered, the Vtec Camchain adjuster on rear head means the exhaust NEEDS to be made for a 6th gen, to be universal fit. And personally I think the 6th gen rear headers are better in that they are closer to equal length, as cyl#1 header is closest to the frame as they curve under the engine, with cyl#3 header being on the outside of the curve !

See pic, sorry doodle buddy, but Blue = cyl#1. Red = cyl#3
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#10

Hey great work on your part Rush.

Hope it all come to fruition.

Yes as Mohawk outlined it would be best if they can use a 6th Gen as the donor/model bike, just so as the CCT is taken in to account.


Hey Rush.

If you are looking for one more committed party, count me in on just the headers.

Cheers

Phil

#11

"Wow" Rush, you may have just single handedly turned the VFR800 back into a desirable classic for the mod enthusiasts.

GREAT JOB

#12

Tell me where/when to drop them dollas!!! I'm most definitely on this list!

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#14

Sub'd out of keen interest...

#16

Looks like I'm going on the ramen noodles diet for the next $600. Hope to add my name at a later date

#17

Rush, just excellent news. I am absolutely still in. Just let us know when the hammer drops.

Many thanks for your efforts throughout all. Persistent and dedicated, thanks!!

Dave

#18

Persistence does pay off.

Rush, when you're done with this project maybe you'd like to set your sites on getting the Toro charger back into production:)

#19

I am ready to commit funds>

#20
Mohawk

I know they do work with Ti exhausts & assuming they can offer this option I'll keep an eye on your progress. If dyno results match expectations, then I'd be interested in a set in Ti.

Mmmmmm.... titanium.

RDMcD

Persistence does pay off.

Rush, when you're done with this project maybe you'd like to set your sites on getting the Toro charger back into production:)

Now you're threatening my license as well as my bank account.

#21
Mohawk

Brilliant effort Rush. Rather than stick rigidly to your measurement which are effectively TBR's from the late 90's, might I suggest you allow Tyga to use their skills and dyno to hopefully make a better product.

I know they do work with Ti exhausts & assuming they can offer this option I'll keep an eye on your progress. If dyno results match expectations, then I'd be interested in a set in Ti.

Thanks for all the hard work, perseverance can pay off :)

PS remember what HighsideNZ discovered, the Vtec Camchain adjuster on rear head means the exhaust NEEDS to be made for a 6th gen, to be universal fit. And personally I think the 6th gen rear headers are better in that they are closer to equal length, as cyl#1 header is closest to the frame as they curve under the engine, with cyl#3 header being on the outside of the curve !

See pic, sorry doodle buddy, but Blue = cyl#1. Red = cyl#3

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HighSideNZ

Hey great work on your part Rush.

Hope it all come to fruition.

Yes as Mohawk outlined it would be best if they can use a 6th Gen as the donor/model bike, just so as the CCT is taken in to account.

Hey Rush.

If you are looking for one more committed party, count me in on just the headers.

Cheers

Phil

Hi Gentlemen,

I agree that the 6th gen has a better, albeit more complex layout. The bike I arranged to bring to their shop was a 6th gen... I don't know if Snowy is still available and willing after all this time to bring his bike in but I will work with Tyga to assist in any way I can and extend this constructive input to them for consideration in the project.

Thanks to both of you for your help and inspiration!

#22

I do like Tyga's work.

I've bought a few items directly from them and their workmanship is top notch.

Here's hoping!

#23

Thanks again Russ, I'm still in and the possibility (even the remote possibility) of a Ti header has my full attention. A stem to stern full Ti performance exhaust :cheerleader:

#24
HighSideNZ

I do like Tyga's work.

I've bought a few items directly from them and their workmanship is top notch.

Here's hoping!

I agree completely! Tyga quality and workmanship is second to none and I can't be happier that it was Tyga that has finally agreed to make our headers!!!

#25
jim v

Thanks again Russ, I'm still in and the possibility (even the remote possibility) of a Ti header has my full attention. A stem to stern full Ti performance exhaust :cheerleader:

+1!!!

Lets hope we get this option!

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#26

Count me in on the headers......plz!

Edited November 20, 2015 by HKSBR
#27

I'm still in keep us updated.

Art

#28

I'm in for stainless. ...Ti is cool stuff, but then the ceramic coat and possible heat wrap would be out.....

#29

You can't ceramic coat ti?

I know it would look so good I wouldn't want to lol

Edited November 21, 2015 by CandyRedRC46
#30
CandyRedRC46

You can't ceramic coat ti?

I know it would look so good I wouldn't want to lol

I dont think so.... correct me if I'm wrong gang.... I'm pure function on this one....

#31

I have no clue brother. I was just picking at your brain, because I have zero titanium experience.

I wrapped my stainless motad header and it aesthetically ruined it, so the second time around with the two bros header, I ceramic coated it to be safe. I still have no input on anything Ti tho.

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Edited November 21, 2015 by CandyRedRC46
#32

Very interesting..Hope to hear more about this.

#33
mello dude

I'm in for stainless. ...Ti is cool stuff, but then the ceramic coat and possible heat wrap would be out.....

Titanium has one of the lowest thermal conductivity rates of metal. This is another reason it is an excellent choice for exhaust pipes; besides the light weight it also helps the exhaust gases maintain temperature which helps keep exhaust gas velocity up. For this reason titanium feels colder than other metals when you touch it.

I checked with Tyga and at this time they will not be making a Ti heafer for the VFR800s... stainless is the only option.

#34
Rush2112
mello dude

I'm in for stainless. ...Ti is cool stuff, but then the ceramic coat and possible heat wrap would be out.....

Titanium has one of the lowest thermal conductivity rates of metal. This is another reason it is an excellent choice for exhaust pipes; besides the light weight it also helps the exhaust gases maintain temperature which helps keep exhaust gas velocity up. For this reason titanium feels colder than other metals when you touch it.

I checked with Tyga and at this time they will not be making a Ti heafer for the VFR800s... stainless is the only option.

Nooooooooooooooo :(

Everything needs boost!

#35

Even a stainless steel Tyga exhaust system would be a thing of beauty. I have been thinking about buying a blue 5th-gen for the UK... :goofy:

Ciao,

#36

Neophyte moment, in need of some additional background information. Being new to the forums and VFR ownership I am not certain why I would need a new header on a 1999 VFR. Power increase? I was thinking of having the ones on the bike powder coated this Spring. Thanks in advance.....

#37

Yes for a power increase.

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#38
Mikey

Neophyte moment, in need of some additional background information. Being new to the forums and VFR ownership I am not certain why I would need a new header on a 1999 VFR. Power increase? I was thinking of having the ones on the bike powder coated this Spring. Thanks in advance.....

These are performance headers with larger inner diamter (ID) tubing sizes for increased exhaust gas flow at high rpms; they are necessary for modifying the bike engine and optimizing engine performance to bring out the inner RC45 in these babies!

Owning a '99 you already have the best available OEM headers without a Cat and with the largest ID exhaust tubes... many people use the '98 - '99 headers and ceramic coat them on the later 5th and 6th gens as one of the few performance upgrades currently available. These headers would be a significant improvement with additional modifications to take advantage of the improved exhaust flow.

Edited November 21, 2015 by Rush2112
#39

Awesome work Rush. I might buy a set just to have, just in case. Wish these would have been available last year when I bought a set of '98-'99 headers and ceramic coated them for my project '00 hybrid 5.5.

I COULD always put them on my '07. No mods other than Leo slip ons. I wonder if they would provide any noticable power increase.

My Hawk GT has a set of Tyga rearsets and they are a thing of beauty. Their pricing is also very reasonable for the level of quality.

Nice work!

#40

The two brothers headers brought my trap speed from from around 120 to 127mph.

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#41

Just out of curiosity. As far as I know, the two Bros headers is the only product this future tyga product can be compared to, would it be cool to list the specs of the different pipes used on the various viffers this is going to fit?

Would it be even cooler if someone had dynopapers before/after on a two Bros headers? I think yes :) however I have nothing to contribute, sorry :(

But I have dyno numbers on "stock" 99 (large OEM headers) with powercommander III to compare...

Everything needs boost!

Edited November 21, 2015 by WackenSS
#42

Well if these headers will work on an '07 then put me down for a set as well. Between one of the three VFRs at some point I will need one and I wouldn't mind getting some more performance out of the RWB.

I wonder if ceramic coating the stainless will increase hp/ torque even further?

#43
CandyRedRC46

The two brothers headers brought my trap speed from from around 120 to 127mph.

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Wow. According to internet hp calculator that's about +6hp.

#44
WackenSS

Just out of curiosity. As far as I know, the two Bros headers is the only product this future tyga product can be compared to, would it be cool to list the specs of the different pipes used on the various viffers this is going to fit?

Would it be even cooler if someone had dynopapers before/after on a two Bros headers? I think yes :) however I have nothing to contribute, sorry :(

But I have dyno numbers on "stock" 99 (large OEM headers) with powercommander III to compare...

Everything needs boost!

There is also an Erion full system that was made for the fifth gen a long time ago. I recorded all the specs of the erion versus a motad header a few years ago.

http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php/topic/74915-i-have-the-measurements-on-the-erion-racing-header-vs-the-motad/

Wow. According to internet hp calculator that's about +6hp.

I got 16 whp...

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Edited November 21, 2015 by CandyRedRC46
#45

Is the vfr header like a lot other oem and made from double wall tubing? On my 03 zrx the factory header loks massive but, its an illusion.

#46

I do not believe the OEM VFR header is double wall, but I do believe it is of a much much thicker gauge.

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#47

I wonder what the ID is on the delkevik vs stock id?

#48

Did you read the link I just posted?

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#49

For anyone that doesn't feel like clicking the link, here are the outer diameters. Also the race headers are 0.050inch/1.23mm thick:

vtec/catted headers are 31.5mm (average)

catless (98/99/motad/delkic/etc...) headers are 34.5mm (average)

and race headers are 39.0mm (average)

Edited November 22, 2015 by CandyRedRC46
#50

Wow! 26 sets so far, this is really getting some traction! I have to say Rush did a great job of sticking with this and getting a builder to commit! AWESOME Rush!

After the first of the year I'll see where I stand monetarily and maybe throw my hat in the ring for a set, maybe even 2, we'll see.

#51

I'm also in. VFR 2014 (euro style = your deluxe type) ... but would need to ship to France

Edited November 22, 2015 by sdouble
#52
Mikey

Neophyte moment, in need of some additional background information. Being new to the forums and VFR ownership I am not certain why I would need a new header on a 1999 VFR. Power increase? I was thinking of having the ones on the bike powder coated this Spring. Thanks in advance.....

Look at this, red line Motad headers (effectively 98/99 bike headers) on my 2000 model. Green line with TBR headers, note how with the big bore headers the power just keeps rising !

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#53
sdouble

I'm also in. VFR 2014 (euro style = your deluxe type) ... but would need to ship to France

Tyga will,ship anywhere in the world, they already do for all there other products, checkout their website, they make some amazing stuff. You can see the quality of heir work on the RVF400 & NSR750 exhaust they make, they are things of engineering beauty !

#54
Mohawk
Mikey

Neophyte moment, in need of some additional background information. Being new to the forums and VFR ownership I am not certain why I would need a new header on a 1999 VFR. Power increase? I was thinking of having the ones on the bike powder coated this Spring. Thanks in advance.....

Look at this, red line Motad headers (effectively 98/99 bike headers) on my 2000 model. Green line with TBR headers, note how with the big bore headers the power just keeps rising !

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This is what I like to see :) the flatness of this curve looks like my rotrex curve :)

Everything needs boost!

#55
Mohawk
Mikey

Neophyte moment, in need of some additional background information. Being new to the forums and VFR ownership I am not certain why I would need a new header on a 1999 VFR. Power increase? I was thinking of having the ones on the bike powder coated this Spring. Thanks in advance.....

Look at this, red line Motad headers (effectively 98/99 bike headers) on my 2000 model. Green line with TBR headers, note how with the big bore headers the power just keeps rising !

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I wish I could tag the motad representatives in this post. Just to rub their face in it, after they were talking all that crap about losing low end torque etc...

These eBay header companies are so full of it. Delkivic/motad etc.... All they do is make excuses on why they are too lazy to make a real performance header. They say that it will lose torque etc, really they are too lazy to do anything other than copying the factory header.

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Edited November 22, 2015 by CandyRedRC46
#56

So, how do I put my name on the list?

Also, I may have missed it in this thread but they are being created for direct bolt on for 6th gens correct? I followed the two brothers thread but it has been a bit since I have read the 90ish pagesagain.

Edited November 24, 2015 by HRCCBR
#57
HRCCBR

So, how do I put my name on the list?

Also, I may have missed it in this thread but they are being created for direct bolt on for 6th gens correct? I followed the two brothers thread but it has been a bit since I have read the 90ish pagesagain.

I update the list when I get a chance... my day job gets in the way sometimes. When you say you want your name on the list I take that to mean you are willing and able to pull the trigger with the $600+s/h in the early part of 2016 when Tyga is ready to execute the order... are we on the same page and aligned on the timing and expectations?

The headers will be a bolt on performance upgrade for VFR800s and will have O2 sensor bungs, center stand stop, and stock header discharge location... as noted earlier, the 6th gen has a better primary tube layout and the set-up bike for making the jig will likely be a 6th gen.

#58

If they do use the 6th gen for setup jigs, how much work will it be to adapt that header to fit a 5th gen mid pipe and muffler? Will I have serious issues with my '99 getting stuff to fit?

#59

5TH AND 6TH GENS have the same outlet location and angle. Mid pipe and muffler won't be effected.

#60
Rush2112
HRCCBR

So, how do I put my name on the list?

Also, I may have missed it in this thread but they are being created for direct bolt on for 6th gens correct? I followed the two brothers thread but it has been a bit since I have read the 90ish pagesagain.

I update the list when I get a chance... my day job gets in the way sometimes. When you say you want your name on the list I take that to mean you are willing and able to pull the trigger with the $600+s/h in the early part of 2016 when Tyga is ready to execute the order... are we on the same page and aligned on the timing and expectations?

The headers will be a bolt on performance upgrade for VFR800s and will have O2 sensor bungs, center stand stop, and stock header discharge location... as noted earlier, the 6th gen has a better primary tube layout and the set-up bike for making the jig will likely be a 6th gen.

Rush2112, yes I am able and willing for the first (quarter?) of next year.(as long as Visa works :cheerleader: ) I know you have been at this a long time WELL DONE!

A few more questions on these particular headers:

Do we get to see the/a prototype before making the final purchase or is this going to be a "sight unseen" type of purchase? (I have looked at some of the other items Tyga has on the sight including the VFR400 headers and everything seems nice, some things look amazing)

Can't Tyga give us an fairly accurate estimated shipping cost at this time? Things like individual shipments or a partial (sharing) container?

Will we be buying direct from Tyga initially or from yourself?

Am I correct in my thinking that I will also need a power commander of some type when the cat is removed from the system but that is it? I have a 2008 non ABS.

#61
HRCCBR
Rush2112
HRCCBR

So, how do I put my name on the list?

Also, I may have missed it in this thread but they are being created for direct bolt on for 6th gens correct? I followed the two brothers thread but it has been a bit since I have read the 90ish pagesagain.

I update the list when I get a chance... my day job gets in the way sometimes. When you say you want your name on the list I take that to mean you are willing and able to pull the trigger with the $600+s/h in the early part of 2016 when Tyga is ready to execute the order... are we on the same page and aligned on the timing and expectations?

The headers will be a bolt on performance upgrade for VFR800s and will have O2 sensor bungs, center stand stop, and stock header discharge location... as noted earlier, the 6th gen has a better primary tube layout and the set-up bike for making the jig will likely be a 6th gen.

Rush2112, yes I am able and willing for the first (quarter?) of next year.(as long as Visa works :cheerleader: ) I know you have been at this a long time WELL DONE!

A few more questions on these particular headers:

Do we get to see the/a prototype before making the final purchase or is this going to be a "sight unseen" type of purchase? (I have looked at some of the other items Tyga has on the sight including the VFR400 headers and everything seems nice, some things look amazing)

Can't Tyga give us an fairly accurate estimated shipping cost at this time? Things like individual shipments or a partial (sharing) container?

Will we be buying direct from Tyga initially or from yourself?

Am I correct in my thinking that I will also need a power commander of some type when the cat is removed from the system but that is it? I have a 2008 non ABS.

I have had stock headers, Catless Motad headers and now two brothers racing headers. I can tell you that a tune isn't really necessary with normal catless headers, but if these come out anywhere near as good as the two brothers / erion headers were, you are going to want a tune. It will be okay to putt around and ride to a tuner, but you will want to get a real custom tune asap. (I am betting that these will be better than the 2 bro headers ever were)

Edited November 24, 2015 by CandyRedRC46
#62
HRCCBR
Rush2112
HRCCBR

So, how do I put my name on the list?

Also, I may have missed it in this thread but they are being created for direct bolt on for 6th gens correct? I followed the two brothers thread but it has been a bit since I have read the 90ish pagesagain.

I update the list when I get a chance... my day job gets in the way sometimes. When you say you want your name on the list I take that to mean you are willing and able to pull the trigger with the $600+s/h in the early part of 2016 when Tyga is ready to execute the order... are we on the same page and aligned on the timing and expectations?

The headers will be a bolt on performance upgrade for VFR800s and will have O2 sensor bungs, center stand stop, and stock header discharge location... as noted earlier, the 6th gen has a better primary tube layout and the set-up bike for making the jig will likely be a 6th gen.

Rush2112, yes I am able and willing for the first (quarter?) of next year.(as long as Visa works :cheerleader: ) I know you have been at this a long time WELL DONE!

A few more questions on these particular headers:

Do we get to see the/a prototype before making the final purchase or is this going to be a "sight unseen" type of purchase? (I have looked at some of the other items Tyga has on the sight including the VFR400 headers and everything seems nice, some things look amazing)

Can't Tyga give us an fairly accurate estimated shipping cost at this time? Things like individual shipments or a partial (sharing) container?

Will we be buying direct from Tyga initially or from yourself?

Am I correct in my thinking that I will also need a power commander of some type when the cat is removed from the system but that is it? I have a 2008 non ABS.

I appreciate your commitment and enthusiasm!

I don't have any info on the specifics around shipping... it may be more cost effective to crate ship 10-15 headers to me and I redistribute throughout U.S. while members in other geographies would receive a direct shipment from Tyga; this is speculation at this time, I don't know how we will work out the logistics yet.

My offer and pricing for 10 headers was well received by Tyga; when they are ready to execute developing the header and producing it in 2016 we will discuss the details... our initial order may be 20 or 30 headers at that point; a lump sum payment may provide the best pricing. I offered to put up $6k for the first 10 and I have discussed this with the first 10 on the list, but honestly, I would prefer if everybody could pay for their own... perhaps Tyga will be willing to do something similar to RapidBike and set-up a method for us to pay individually. I will discuss this with Paul when they are ready, until then all the details are in the first post.

Thank you to everyone who has stuck with this performance header adventure for the past couple years!!!

#63

Thank you rush for putting this together and seeing it through. I know I don't need a header right this second, but it is very comforting to know that when my 20 year old two brothers header finally falls apart, I have the option to buy a new true race header. The fact that Tyga is making it is just icing on the cake!

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#64

Congrats RUSH,

Good things.....come to those that wait & wait....

well done, you can add me to this list pls.

I agree with you about payment, that is if it could be organized as the RAPIDBIKE group by was

Cheers .

#65

I have access to a dyno jet 250i with the eddy brake system for testing and working up maps>

#66
CandyRedRC46

Thank you rush for putting this together and seeing it through. I know I don't need a header right this second, but it is very comforting to know that when my 20 two brothers header finally falls apart, I have the option to buy a new true race header. The fact that Tyga is making it is just icing on the cake!

You need to find yourself a solid but maybe cosmetically nicked up "backup" bike and put some Tyga headers for it. That way you will have an excuse to buy them now instead of waiting until Tyga has stopped producing them and they become the most scarce aftermarket headers of all time. You will have a bike to ride while you have the CRRC46 torn down for whatever upgrade or weight loss idea you want to work on and you will also have a guinea pig to try stuff on without putting the CRRC46 in jeopardy. :wink:

#67
CandyRedRC46

5TH AND 6TH GENS have the same outlet location and angle. Mid pipe and muffler won't be effected.

Thanks for getting back on that. Good to know for sure.

#68
tbzep, 11/24/2015 at 7:56 PM
CandyRedRC46, 11/24/2015 at 6:04 PM

Thank you rush for putting this together and seeing it through. I know I don't need a header right this second, but it is very comforting to know that when my 20 two brothers header finally falls apart, I have the option to buy a new true race header. The fact that Tyga is making it is just icing on the cake!

You need to find yourself a solid but maybe cosmetically nicked up "backup" bike and put some Tyga headers for it. That way you will have an excuse to buy them now instead of waiting until Tyga has stopped producing them and they become the most scarce aftermarket headers of all time. You will have a bike to ride while you have the CRRC46 torn down for whatever upgrade or weight loss idea you want to work on and you will also have a guinea pig to try stuff on without putting the CRRC46 in jeopardy. :wink:

Lol will do!

I am hoping that Tyga never stops producing them. The Idea is that if Tyga comes through and makes a real header, hopefully it will put Delkivic/Motad/Sandy's/Black Widow/ebay knock off Header etc out of the VFR800 header business. Hopefully after the Tyga VFR800 header has been out for a while, every one with ebay headers will catch on and trade up. I am thinking that in a year or so, the market will be flooded with generic catless vfr headers and people will be buying the Tyga headers like hot cakes.

#69

Good job Russ, finally going to see this come through. If they are sure that they will fit the 8th Gen I would be in for a set. Put me down on the list if that is the case.

#70

If anyone is concerned about shipping just go to the Tyga website open an account I added a set of headers for a vfr400 to my cart and clicked checkout and it gave me shipping options the price to Toronto Ontario its $102 to $153 and there's even a $57 option. That being said I'm in for a pair

#71

For those who know way more than me...

Any concerns with mating a Leo Vince SBK evo2 set of cans to the Tyga headers?

I only ask as when I replaced my OEM cans, the Leo's did NOT need the OEM gasket where the downpipe meets the CAT output... which makes me assume their piping may be a slightly narrower diameter. _IF_ this is the case, would the Leo downpipe be a restricting point, and negate the benefits of the higher-flowing header?

Or is there another reason that I am missing that the Leo's don't need the OEM gasket?

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#72
rhoderage

For those who know way more than me...

Any concerns with mating a Leo Vince SBK evo2 set of cans to the Tyga headers?

I only ask as when I replaced my OEM cans, the Leo's did NOT need the OEM gasket where the downpipe meets the CAT output... which makes me assume their piping may be a slightly narrower diameter. _IF_ this is the case, would the Leo downpipe be a restricting point, and negate the benefits of the higher-flowing header?

Or is there another reason that I am missing that the Leo's don't need the OEM gasket?

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To answer your question the collector exit will be about the same size as the stock collector with the gasket. For example, the stock muffler would slip fit onto the Tyga collector without a gasket. The collector is larger to accommodate the exhaust gas flow dynamics of the larger primary and secondary tubes.

This is an excellent question and has come up before in a PM to me. The header specs are well documented in the original thread and in the first post of this thread noting the 2" collector tubing size and that this project is for Tyga headers only. If your current mid-pipe is not designed to clamp over the OEM exhaust gasket (~2" OD) your mid-pipe may not clamp to this header. In this situation the owner will need to evaluate, and if necessary, look at mid-pipes that will accommodate the larger exhaust collector output of these performance headers... likely a 2" tubing that will fit most slip-on muffler inlets with a 2.25" tapered end or 2.25" tubing slotted collar welded on for clamping to the collector output.

This performance header project was difficult enough in getting a quality exhaust manufacturer to agree to make the headers and I don't want to jeopardize the relationship and commitment by Tyga by pressing for more then what they have agreed to make. I will bring up the mid-pipe to Tyga when they are ready to execute the project, but currently this project is for performance headers only and that is all Tyga has offered to make at this time.

#73

Thanks for the clarification Rush as the Staintunes (for 6th gen anyway) midpipe also go on w/o the gasket. I'm assuming putting an adapter that steps down from header to aftermarket exhaust is less than optimal. Are most people planning on running stock exhaust or is it just that these smaller tubes (like staintune) are the exception in aftermarket mid-pipes?

#74

Thanks for the info guys, I'll be keeping an eye on this thread and if a great solution for the rest of the exhaust system presents itself I may join the purchase squad. A great (dream?) solution would be dual outlets under the seat I'd settle for an awesome can though.

#75

As far as the link pipe diameters go, if you have one smaller than 50mm you are already restricting the flow but not by much !

You can just take it to an auto exhaust shop & ask them to expand it to fit the Tyga headers, the gain is mostly in the headers !

#76

As far as I know most after market mid pipes do not use the standard Honda cat to pipe gasket so the ID of the mid pipe, at the CAT/header end is 48.6/49.0mm somewhere in that range.

What Mohawk outlined, getting an exhaust shop to expand the mid pipe is all that would be needed I think.

When I made up my headers, I had the last section before the mid pipe joint reduced to suit my LeoVince's.

This small reduction is not going to make any difference on a road bike to performance.

The overall length of the tail pipe and cans will have a bigger influence on flow I'd expect.

Phil

#77

For what its worth, when I merged my 6th gen two brothers slip on to the mid pipe on the two brothers full system mid pipe, the diameters were identical.

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#78

I would also like to purchase a set of the tyge headers for my 2K VFR 800!!! w00t!

#79

This is awesome. Interested to hear when we can order asap.

#80

Sorry if this has been discussed, but in the original post, you say:

Headers with this configuration will fit VFR800s from 1998 to the current model year

Are you suuuure that's true? The 8th gen bikes have dual radiators (like the RC/NC bikes), and on the NC anyway the front headers hug the cylinders to make room for the lower rad+fan. I suspect 5th gen headers on an 8th gen would interfere with the radiator, and 8th gen headers on a stock 5th gen would interfere with the coolant cross hose.

I'm going to need to make some measurements on my dual-sided swingarm project, but I suspect I'll be in for a set, provided they can be modified.

If nobody's ever seen Tyga's exhaust stuff, btw, they're really nice. I've got a set on my NC and love them.

#81
thenewwazoo

Sorry if this has been discussed, but in the original post, you say:

Headers with this configuration will fit VFR800s from 1998 to the current model year

Are you suuuure that's true? The 8th gen bikes have dual radiators (like the RC/NC bikes), and on the NC anyway the front headers hug the cylinders to make room for the lower rad+fan. I suspect 5th gen headers on an 8th gen would interfere with the radiator, and 8th gen headers on a stock 5th gen would interfere with the coolant cross hose.

I'm going to need to make some measurements on my dual-sided swingarm project, but I suspect I'll be in for a set, provided they can be modified.

If nobody's ever seen Tyga's exhaust stuff, btw, they're really nice. I've got a set on my NC and love them.

Peaking through the lower vent in the front lower fairing I guess it is possible that Honda trotted out a 15 year old main frame and engine design and then completely redesigned the exhaust to facilitate the more narrow profile of the side rads so we should measure to confirm.

The exhaust is definitely revised as it has some new tubing visible in the area behind the right rear set.

#82

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Here's the Honda media shot. Check the bend in the primary - on the NC that same bend is to clear the radiator fan, which fits in the circular "hole" shaped by the exhaust.

#84

My stock headers, which I had ceramic coated some years ago, are now looking like crap.

I'll keep an eye out here for when the Tyga units are finally available and see what the landed pricing will be.

#85
CornerCarver
thenewwazoo

Sorry if this has been discussed, but in the original post, you say:

Headers with this configuration will fit VFR800s from 1998 to the current model year

Are you suuuure that's true? The 8th gen bikes have dual radiators (like the RC/NC bikes), and on the NC anyway the front headers hug the cylinders to make room for the lower rad+fan. I suspect 5th gen headers on an 8th gen would interfere with the radiator, and 8th gen headers on a stock 5th gen would interfere with the coolant cross hose.

I'm going to need to make some measurements on my dual-sided swingarm project, but I suspect I'll be in for a set, provided they can be modified.

If nobody's ever seen Tyga's exhaust stuff, btw, they're really nice. I've got a set on my NC and love them.

Peaking through the lower vent in the front lower fairing I guess it is possible that Honda trotted out a 15 year old main frame and engine design and then completely redesigned the exhaust to facilitate the more narrow profile of the side rads so we should measure to confirm.

The exhaust is definitely revised as it has some new tubing visible in the area behind the right rear set.

Good points... it will have to be investigated when Tyga is ready. I'm not sure how many 8th genners have signed on for the performance headers but we need to get the right info. The 8th gen headers are definitely a little different than the 6th gen in the back they merge before turning under the bike and the front appears to have the different bends you describe. Good catch, thanks.

#86

Any idea when they will produce? I ask becouse I will be in Thailand ontil the 12 of feburary, it could be nice to bring it back to Denmark my self.

#87
Rush2112

...in the back they merge before turning under the bike and the front appears to have the different bends you describe. Good catch, thanks.

Do you have any pictures of that rear merge? That's directly applicable to my own DSSA VFR project.

#88
Rush2112
CornerCarver
thenewwazoo

Sorry if this has been discussed, but in the original post, you say:

Headers with this configuration will fit VFR800s from 1998 to the current model year

Are you suuuure that's true? The 8th gen bikes have dual radiators (like the RC/NC bikes), and on the NC anyway the front headers hug the cylinders to make room for the lower rad+fan. I suspect 5th gen headers on an 8th gen would interfere with the radiator, and 8th gen headers on a stock 5th gen would interfere with the coolant cross hose.

I'm going to need to make some measurements on my dual-sided swingarm project, but I suspect I'll be in for a set, provided they can be modified.

If nobody's ever seen Tyga's exhaust stuff, btw, they're really nice. I've got a set on my NC and love them.

Peaking through the lower vent in the front lower fairing I guess it is possible that Honda trotted out a 15 year old main frame and engine design and then completely redesigned the exhaust to facilitate the more narrow profile of the side rads so we should measure to confirm.

The exhaust is definitely revised as it has some new tubing visible in the area behind the right rear set.

Good points... it will have to be investigated when Tyga is ready. I'm not sure how many 8th genners have signed on for the performance headers but we need to get the right info. The 8th gen headers are definitely a little different than the 6th gen in the back they merge before turning under the bike and the front appears to have the different bends you describe. Good catch, thanks.

Yeow - Tyga is a group of very talented artisan guys, but its almost looking like a CAD composite model would be very useful to come up with one design to fit all.. --- Or a 5th/6th bike and an 8th bike for test builds....

#89
thenewwazoo
Rush2112

...in the back they merge before turning under the bike and the front appears to have the different bends you describe. Good catch, thanks.

Do you have any pictures of that rear merge? That's directly applicable to my own DSSA VFR project.

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mello dude
Rush2112
CornerCarver
thenewwazoo

Sorry if this has been discussed, but in the original post, you say:

Headers with this configuration will fit VFR800s from 1998 to the current model year

Are you suuuure that's true? The 8th gen bikes have dual radiators (like the RC/NC bikes), and on the NC anyway the front headers hug the cylinders to make room for the lower rad+fan. I suspect 5th gen headers on an 8th gen would interfere with the radiator, and 8th gen headers on a stock 5th gen would interfere with the coolant cross hose.

I'm going to need to make some measurements on my dual-sided swingarm project, but I suspect I'll be in for a set, provided they can be modified.

If nobody's ever seen Tyga's exhaust stuff, btw, they're really nice. I've got a set on my NC and love them.

Peaking through the lower vent in the front lower fairing I guess it is possible that Honda trotted out a 15 year old main frame and engine design and then completely redesigned the exhaust to facilitate the more narrow profile of the side rads so we should measure to confirm.

The exhaust is definitely revised as it has some new tubing visible in the area behind the right rear set.

Good points... it will have to be investigated when Tyga is ready. I'm not sure how many 8th genners have signed on for the performance headers but we need to get the right info. The 8th gen headers are definitely a little different than the 6th gen in the back they merge before turning under the bike and the front appears to have the different bends you describe. Good catch, thanks.

Yeow - Tyga is a group of very talented artisan guys, but its almost looking like a CAD composite model would be very useful to come up with one design to fit all.. --- Or a 5th/6th bike and an 8th bike for test builds....

The current mock-up bike that was available is a 6th gen so this would fit the side mount radiator VFR800s. The 8th gens may need a different set of front primaries.

#90

Wow, that 8th gen exhaust is intriguing. All prior generations merged each side of the engine (1+2, 3+4) in a 4-2-1 configuration. The new bike looks like it does (1+3, 2+4). It really does look to me like the 8th gen is going to need its own development cycle. Now if I could just convince my wife that my yellow bike has reached the end of its useful life...

#91
thenewwazoo

Wow, that 8th gen exhaust is intriguing. All prior generations merged each side of the engine (1+2, 3+4) in a 4-2-1 configuration. The new bike looks like it does (1+3, 2+4). It really does look to me like the 8th gen is going to need its own development cycle. Now if I could just convince my wife that my yellow bike has reached the end of its useful life...

It's a 6th gen engine, the shorter rear primaries in combination with the long(er) front primaries spreads the torque curve out flatter with less of steep decline after peak torque output; the trade off is a lower peak HP. This set-up is less complicated, easier and cheaper to manufacture. I'm pretty confident their isn't any new Honda voodoo in the 8th gen engine and the previous generations merge configuration will produce the highest performance which is the purpose of the Tyga project. The rear primaries of the previous gens should work and the front primaries would need a few different bends.

Are any of the members who have confirmed to me their committed to buy purchasing them for an 8th gen? Please let me know. Thanks... Russ

#92
Rush2112
thenewwazoo

Wow, that 8th gen exhaust is intriguing. All prior generations merged each side of the engine (1+2, 3+4) in a 4-2-1 configuration. The new bike looks like it does (1+3, 2+4). It really does look to me like the 8th gen is going to need its own development cycle. Now if I could just convince my wife that my yellow bike has reached the end of its useful life...

It's a 6th gen engine, the shorter rear primaries in combination with the long(er) front primaries spreads the torque curve out flatter with less of steep decline after peak torque output; the trade off is a lower peak HP. This set-up is less complicated, easier and cheaper to manufacture. I'm pretty confident their isn't any new Honda voodoo in the 8th gen engine and the previous generations merge configuration will produce the highest performance which is the purpose of the Tyga project. The rear primaries of the previous gens should work and the front primaries would need a few different bends.

Are any of the members who have confirmed to me their committed to buy purchasing them for an 8th gen? Please let me know. Thanks... Russ

huntinggunns

Good job Russ, finally going to see this come through. If they are sure that they will fit the 8th Gen I would be in for a set. Put me down on the list if that is the case.

Hi Russ,

Lisa and I are a couple of the members that are interested if they will fit an 8th Gen. Let us know what you figure out.

Thanks, Fred.

#94

Yep, eigth gen on my side

Rush2112
thenewwazoo

Wow, that 8th gen exhaust is intriguing. All prior generations merged each side of the engine (1+2, 3+4) in a 4-2-1 configuration. The new bike looks like it does (1+3, 2+4). It really does look to me like the 8th gen is going to need its own development cycle. Now if I could just convince my wife that my yellow bike has reached the end of its useful life...

It's a 6th gen engine, the shorter rear primaries in combination with the long(er) front primaries spreads the torque curve out flatter with less of steep decline after peak torque output; the trade off is a lower peak HP. This set-up is less complicated, easier and cheaper to manufacture. I'm pretty confident their isn't any new Honda voodoo in the 8th gen engine and the previous generations merge configuration will produce the highest performance which is the purpose of the Tyga project. The rear primaries of the previous gens should work and the front primaries would need a few different bends.

Are any of the members who have confirmed to me their committed to buy purchasing them for an 8th gen? Please let me know. Thanks... Russ

#95

Look what popped up on the Facebook page this morning.

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Wowowweewow

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#96

Waaay da minute - Akrapovic full system?

#97

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#98

Haha, we wouldn't all be here if it was that easy, now would we ;)

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#99

With the Gen 8 exhaust and radiator situation, it is pretty much the same as what I've got with my modded RC45 exhaust system.

See below:

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I am in the middle of using an lower NC30 radiator and fan assembly, modified to fit, as a third rad on my Gen 6.

Bought a brand new all welded one off FleaBay for $100.

I've had to remake the bottom hose and re-position the lower bends on the side radiators so as the bottom hose can run across the front of the headers, as can be seen from the photos.

I'm looking at replacing the bottom hose with the new radiator. Photos to follow.

#100
HighSideNZ

With the Gen 8 exhaust and radiator situation, it is pretty much the same as what I've got with my modded RC45 exhaust system.

See below:

I am in the middle of using an lower NC30 radiator and fan assembly, modified to fit, as a third rad on my Gen 6.

Bought a brand new all welded one off FleaBay for $100.

I've had to remake the bottom hose and re-position the lower bends on the side radiators so as the bottom hose can run across the front of the headers, as can be seen from the photos.

I'm looking at replacing the bottom hose with the new radiator. Photos to follow.

Love your bike!

Are you having any overheating issues that require the third rad?

... or is it more of a preventive measure?

#101

The rear flange stud positions are different between the 5th and 6th Gens.

I found this out when making up my pipes for my 5th Gen and using a 6th Gen engine as master.


#102

Rush,  I've been following this thread with great interest.  Since they Tyga headers have 02 bungs and sounds like they will work with a stock muffler setup (I have Staintune so that should work also)  please add me to the list.  I def would like to have a set of these to go with my Rapidbike module already on the bike.

Nick 


#103

Sounds like from Phil's input it best have spinning flanges if it's to fit both versions.   Good Catch Phil,  it's all in the know.  I'd also think just by looking at  the snake under the engine that individual header tube hooking up to a collector would be of a good thing too, if that hasn't been thought of. 


#104

The rear flange stud positions are different between the 5th and 6th Gens.

I found this out when making up my pipes for my 5th Gen and using a 6th Gen engine as master.

Thanks Phil.  I thought I had recalled you mentioning that little tidbit... that's why I asked for confirmation.  I appreciate your input and expertise.


HELP NEEDED:  

My headers are at Tyga and there are some development questions.  Can someone take a picture of their OEM O2 sensors on the bike with a ruler in frame for distance reference and/or clearance measurements?  Matt needs this info to ensure the O2 bungs don't interfere. IM me and I'll give you my email to send it.  Also, I don't think we have clearance to cross the larger diameter pipes over off the front head to mimic the 6th gen routing due to body work clearance; neither the TBR or Erion crossed their front pipes.  If someone with a gen 5.5 OEM pipe and 6th gen OEM pipe could get a pic or measurement of bodywork clearance around the pipe cross over I'd appreciate it.  Thanks...  Russ

UPDATE:  We missed our initial time slot for the exhaust development due to shipping delays so we now have two projects ahead of us in the queue.  

Per Matt:

"Right now we’ve missed the slot to get on with this, as I have a couple of KTM RC390 pipes to develop and get into production, and also the new MSX125 GROM needs a new design pipe, so I’ll need to see where we are with those before I can offer a date of when we can get onto this VFR pipe. But at least we have it here now and can start looking at it a bit closer."

If this can wait until tomorrow I have two stock header VFRs (5 & 6 Gens) that I can get measurements and photos of. Kind of tied up today but can make some time tomorrow if need be.

Duc2V4... I cannot thank you enough for the detailed pictures and clearance measurements of the installed OEM 5th & 6th gen headers.  You went over and above and this is a great help!

Sincerely, thank you so much! :cheerleader:    :beer:    :fing02:   :fing02:


Rush,  I've been following this thread with great interest.  Since they Tyga headers have 02 bungs and sounds like they will work with a stock muffler setup (I have Staintune so that should work also)  please add me to the list.  I def would like to have a set of these to go with my Rapidbike module already on the bike.

Nick 

Hi Nick,

I'm happy to add you to the growing list.  Just for clarity, the final collector discharge will be in the stock location but it will be about the size of the stock collector with the exhaust gasket installed over it.  A custom mid-pipe  or fabrication work to your existing mid-pipe will be needed for these performance headers.


Why am I not on this list yet?  (again?)  

lol.  the rebuild of the RC46 is happening.  the header would be brilliant for it.  (but probably later now)

Dude!  You told me you would be putting the headers on the back burner for now!  You helped send us up this creek... let me know when you want back on the boat! 


#105

When would I be putting money down on em?


#106

Rush,  I've been following this thread with great interest.  Since they Tyga headers have 02 bungs and sounds like they will work with a stock muffler setup (I have Staintune so that should work also)  please add me to the list.  I def would like to have a set of these to go with my Rapidbike module already on the bike.

Nick 

Hi Nick,

I'm happy to add you to the growing list.  Just for clarity, the final collector discharge will be in the stock location but it will be about the size of the stock collector with the exhaust gasket installed over it.  A custom mid-pipe  or fabrication work to your existing mid-pipe will be needed for these performance headers.


 

Rush,  If that is the case then I will probably cancel out.  The Staintune works over the stock collector pipe without the gasket and I don't think it would fit using the gasket.  Since it's a dual outlet midpipe I really don't want to mess around trying to have another one made up.  Thanks again but sorry for cancelling.

NIck


#107

Just take your mid pipe to any competent muffler shop and have them flare out the slip on joint of the staintune mid pipe by a couple millimeters. Any decent shop could do it for a couple dollars. Its not a big deal...


#108

Rush,  I've been following this thread with great interest.  Since they Tyga headers have 02 bungs and sounds like they will work with a stock muffler setup (I have Staintune so that should work also)  please add me to the list.  I def would like to have a set of these to go with my Rapidbike module already on the bike.

Nick 

Hi Nick,

I'm happy to add you to the growing list.  Just for clarity, the final collector discharge will be in the stock location but it will be about the size of the stock collector with the exhaust gasket installed over it.  A custom mid-pipe  or fabrication work to your existing mid-pipe will be needed for these performance headers.


Rush,  If that is the case then I will probably cancel out.  The Staintune works over the stock collector pipe without the gasket and I don't think it would fit using the gasket.  Since it's a dual outlet midpipe I really don't want to mess around trying to have another one made up.  Thanks again but sorry for cancelling.

NIck

I think you may have this backwards Nick.

The Staintune fits over the stock pipe and gasket.

The diameter of the new header (most likely Tyga) will be the same as the outlet with the gasket.  So the pipe will larger and thinner walled with the same (or very very close to) outer diameter so the 'tunes should fit it as well as any other after market silencer.


#109

HUH?  Very interesting,   there's a gasket?  Now maybe this is a 6th gen thing?   I too have a Staintune and it slips like perfect over the stock collector pipe,  I mean perfect,  slips on about 30mms also has a very nice pinch clamp that keeps it put.   I thought at first this isn't good, as this had been installed for a while, I didn't install this, it came with the VFR. It took a bit of wiggle a few kind words and a twist and it did work its way off. At first, unlike the bolt flange of the 4th gen where you just undo a couple bolts wa-la its off, no fuss no mess.  I thought how odd Honda didn't use this same method on the 5th,. But Staintune has it down perfect, no flange gasket here,  I'd hope the TYGA header would match this. To me a gasket or an O ring wouldn't work just causing more headaches,  don't over engineer. 


#111
RVFR Confused? LOL    SMH. yea I get it, why I decided to go the way I have. Now I know whats going on.
  It's all good. Yep, Gabe is Rampage fab.  I'm just me. ;)

And for clarification (to us not knowing who makes what) , are you the guy behind the gofundme project?
#112

yes he is RVFR has go fund me

#113

^ what he said ;) 

#114

Looks like we are approaching some level of critical mass...good stuff.

#115

If my post last Thursday wasn't clear: Yes, I'm still in

#116

I'm at maybe - I have plenty going on already and if I grab the CBR1000r coming up, I'm not gonna be that concerned about uping the viffers hp. 

#117

I'm in with the in crowd...

Ciao,

#118

Perhaps RVFR should start a new thread based on the gofundme project. This one is epic, but long in the tooth. 

#119

Funny you say that.   When I hear back from Gabe from a message I left,  I was just thinking the info I gather would make for a great start.   ;) 

#120

Yeah, put an X by my name, I'm still in.

#121

Count me as a maybe depending on cost and support for the centrestand.  Still very interested. 

#122
RVFR, 3/15/2017 at 10:07 PM

Funny you say that.   When I hear back from Gabe from a message I left,  I was just thinking the info I gather would make for a great start.   ;) 

Yeah, at this point what we need is more information from the builder.  I wrote a lengthy message that wasn't quite to the point, but the following questions need answers:

Is the gofundme required for this project to proceed? 

Should donors expect any benefit, other than the good will of the community?

Who is assuming what risks on this project? 

What guarantee do we have as a group that orders will be fulfilled? 

What guarantee does the builder have that he will be paid?

How are transactions going to be handled, as a group or individually?

I'm excited that this project appears to be moving forward, but a bit leery at the same time.  We are talking about something that has been kicked around for 2+ years with no concrete results yet, irrespective of the reasons.  Hopefully all this can be hashed out soon.

#123
March 14, 2017 at 2:01 AM, CandyRedRC46, Tuesday

I had no issues fitting the two brothers header onto my sixth gen if that helps.

Did you have any issues with the mid-pipe? 

#124

MadS,   Those are all great questions  I'd rather create a new thread for the ins - out on details ,  but for now I'll explain your questions in order as I see them .

Short version;

Gabe has Rampage fabrication. Back ground is for the most part exhaust and inter cooler builds for turbo powered JDMs  with lots of experience.10+ years.  I've known Gabe since he went to school with one of my sons,  great kid that has a good head on his shoulder.  He's more than capable of handling this build.  

Go fund ?  Nope, one doesn't need to get into the Go fund me. It would be nice, but not totally necessary. If.   The thought was if there was enough solid interests with a donation, that would confirm this is a good project to move on. But? also know folks here have waited a long time and have heard this before.  Why I'm taking matters into my own hands. For me, its more about will it produce the results similar to the Erion and 2Bro.  TYGA has no intention to let you know if it does or not.  

For those that have contributed to the go fund, there's definitely a kick into the price of the header.  

So far, Me, Gabe and a few Go fund me folks are at risk.    Knowing that,   I have no reason to fail here,  except maybe in what the end result will cost.  Bottom line is,  this is a hand made custom exhaust made one ofs following the 2 Bro & Erion design.   Now that I have a 2Bro, there's not much in the way of guessing.  The mandrel bend build part (if)  won't be known until after the proto type is finished and I have the HP numbers I'm looking for.   In that it will still be a hands on build as the mandrel part only takes some of the welds out of the build. which takes some time out of the equation. equaling costing a bit less. Maybe?   So unless there's some unknown coming from behind,  I see where this won't happen other than maybe take a bit longer.  LOL  like that hasn't all ready happen.  

Group Orders?   Yes I like that,  but that depends on the size of the order, 10-20 no biggie get in line.  100?  with Gabe at the helm that might take a bit longer of coarse, only thing that can be said the sooner in line on a monetary commitment the better.  After Gabe sees all there is to this build,  that will tell us what's that time line,  that will also tells us the costs.  Again this won't  be known till one is made up. 

  Gabe and I go back a bit,  no way I'm I putting him into a corner.  He's been burned before. He knows whats at risk. But sees a good opportunity here as well. Hes taking My word  from me telling him the interests are real here. I'm I wrong?   But Money unfortunately speaks louder than words.    Another reason behind the Go fund me. I was going to front the whole build on the proto type,  but my work hasn't hit full stride yet this year for me to do that.   Again figure the Go fund me is a good way to get a feeling if there's something to this.  That there would give Gabe a boost of confidence for how this is playing out.  So if you guys are on the ball, there really shouldn't be any reason for Gabe to not do his do diligence . 

Leaning on a individual base, on the order / purchase,  knowing VFR owners are all over the place,( shipping)  which all have a different agenda. Then there's which version too,  5th gen,  6th gen? Or?     

  Hope that helps.

 I should know more later in the coming week on how the jig is coming along,  there has been talk Gabe may mock up the first one free hand, IDK,  we've just talked briefly about time vs, this and that.   It's coming together though.  Now the question is do we get ready for a 100 plus,  or just a couple dozen? Or?    I think the answer will come once folks see what the proto type does  ;) 

Just in case it's been missed,  in this thread here is Gabe at work on another 2Bro.

#125

I saw his other build and it looked really nice.  I was thinking that even a scale of 20 headers, hand assembled as such, would be kind of time consuming to the shop.  I realize that even if a group of people push money at his doorstep, it might not be in the best interests of the shop to decline other (possible repeat) customers during the time to take care of us.

I'm glad the gofundme is a little more clear now.  If there is some accounting for who donated what (especially larger amounts) and even some partial compensation toward purchase of the final product, then I will go put my money where my mouth is.

The group order has benefits and pitfalls.  If all the money is there for a certain number of headers, then he knows how much production scaling to accommodate and that there is definite interest in the project.  However, this adds complications of accounting, shipping, and other logistics issues. 

As far as 5th vs 6th, are we just talking about the exit location?  Sounds like if the system is fairly true to the original tbr system at the rear collectors, there shouldn't be an issue with CCT clearance.  It may be possible to make basically the same system with a different tail piece after the final collector.

#126

I have our dyno available for testing in Nashville if that is of any help>

#127
boOZZIE, 3/17/2017 at 8:57 PM

Did you have any issues with the mid-pipe? 

Yes, the outlet/collector of the Two Brothers header, is at a slightly different angle than the normal 5th/6th gen headers and the mid pipe that comes with the full system matches this angle much better, but being as I have a 6th gen and not a fifth gen, the mid pipe put the muffler in a weird spot (like a high to mid mount) so I had to cut the mid pipe, cut my slip on and merge them together, to put my muffler under the seat where it belongs.

Just Two Brothers open header

https://youtu.be/H-zZAgHjGIs

Two Brothers header and Two Brothers mid pipe (uncut) 

https://youtu.be/0wBAnG7Wxa8

Two Brothers header, with cut Two Brothers mid pipe, merged to Two Brothers slip on.

https://youtu.be/OwDXzJXctdw

If you look carefully at 0:28-0:30 you can see where the cut is positionsed, a couple inches up from the header outlet.

https://youtu.be/J_BhLLZVo0w

Later on I had everything ceramic coated, to look good as new, protect everything and reduce heat.

#128

Small update here,  still IMO I don't have enough info to start a new thread,  but it's coming. That said, I received the unattainable today,  so now the header build will shift into second gear.

Fun Fun Fun....[image: DSCF0937_zps9fgabbix.jpg]

#129

Wow it's in really good shape too!

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#130

FWIW, I'll put $50 towards the header pipe development, but I want all of it used for that and not as profit to a company called GoFundMe.

IOW if you'll PM me your snail mail address I'll send a check. You can deposit it, keep until the header project needs it, or if nothing happens

and you don't use it, tear it up. Your choice.

PM me if this works for you.

#132

Who is making the headers? I've only read the last couple pages, and I've seen Gabe, Tyga, CC, Two Brothers, and no real confirmation as to who is making the headers unless I missed it.

If I could get some more information on this, then I'd be happy to get a set. Here are my questions:

Would headers without the O2 bungs be possible?

How about a full exhaust option?

Anything I need to do on my end?

I see there is a GoFundMe. Is that still active?

Do we have any information on the headers?

Where will they be made?

If possible, I'd also like to donate as FJ12Ryder recommended. The more money that goes straight to development and not to taxes, fees, etc., the better.

#133

Today I just started a new thread being this one has,  IMO run it's coarse.

To help things along here, I'll answer your questions the way I read them.

Gabe, a high end fabricator, is actually doing the hands on creation. I'm orchestrating the process  and handling the R&D and working the funds do to just that,  along with taking the funds for orders and answering questions as they come about.  As it stands now,  this first round is to find out just what will work fitment wise and the numbers in a performance increase needs to be right.  Then once all that R&D  is done a final price can be made,   The target goal is $800.00 but depending on how it goes will say for sure.  Then there's shipping to where ever.

The headers will at first have no 02 bungs,  but there will be an option for that for the 6th gens, or,  if so desired,   a side note, this will be  center stand user friendly.

 Full exhaust could be an option. only $$$   Gabe and I have talked about this,  as the exit will have a 2' OD and most stock systems only have a 50mm that matches the stock outlet.  So there's that to see if there is enough interests vs. making up an adapter.  I'm running around options in my head as I have a Stainetune that's staying put,  but as it is now, it won't fit.   

On your end?  Nope  ;)

The Go fund me is up and usable,  but just recently I'm leaning on having available a direct way of taking contributions via a web site.  Hopefully sooner than later , I'm  looking at what options there are in that. Till then,  drop me a PM and will work it out.

Basically making replication from the 2Bro header that's a proven design   I'm a bit more motivated now as i just landed the unattainable , taking the guess work out of what there truly is,  just not hearsay.

  They will be made here in Olympia Wa. US of A

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