New Vfr800 Vtec Will Be Introduced At Eicma.

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782cc, 106HP @10.250, 76Nm @8500, 217Kg dry weight.

Too bad about the low mount exhaust but that and the two piece seat may indicate a larger storage compartment. I do like the rear wheel (10 spoker). I can't really tell from this poster but it looks like it still has a regular fork and not a USD fork.

Also "new" is the Fireblade SP with fancy suspenders and brakes (Öhlins/Brembo) & track optimised ABS

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Well, this came as a surprise :happy: ...

So the engine stays the same I guess, which isn't necessarily a bad thing...

I wonder about the suspension, electronics etc...

I really dig the 10 spoke rear wheel as well...

Is it me or are the side mounted radiators gone?

I can't see any VTEC stickers, so they've done away with it perhaps. But I can't see ABS stickers either and there's definitely an ABS ring up front, so this may not mean much...

I'll take one of each, thanks!!

Oh mama I like what I see so far!

Same engine, same weight. Radial mount calipers on conventional forks? The 10 spoke looks good. I like how they didn't make it a 1200 copy like the 250. Mirrors look good and the running lights in them is a nice bonus. Is that an oil cooler under the front head? Looks a bit big for oil.

Eagerly looking forward to finding out how many bits will swap over to my 6th gen. USD forks with radial calipers maybe? Mirrors w/directionals?

I guess adding the 1300 V4 from that CTX would make it too porky. An electric windscreen would be nice, too. ST1300 amenities and seating ergos in a smaller package for me, please.

If there is a RWB version... sign me up :P looks pretty sweet. +1 on the side exhaust though. under the seat would look mean

478 dry weight me thinks they should have put it on a diet,vtec kinda old school might work on a corolla.

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/2014-honda-vfr800f/23894.html

Visordown has some additional info and pics.

From the pics it looks like the fork now has adjustable rebound damping. Also the new VTEC now has traction control and 20mm seat height adjustment, a new swingarm and LED headlight (also on the new CB1300S).

"The VFR800F will be available in the following colour options: Pearl Glare White, Darkness Black Metallic, Victory"

Darkness black, hard up for adjectives...??? The side zorst is pox, love the 10 spoke...

There's a lot that I am liking. I didn't see the adjustable rebound though. And wondering about that new subframe and no mention of OEM luggage. Maybe that'll come later. Start stocking up on those 6th gen headers and exhausts. Their value just might jump up.

Good find!

I am actually a bit surprised to see Honda update our trusty VFR. Hopefully they expand the range and introduce the naked v-four 800 also.

Likes:

- The new swingarm is dead sexy (very MV Agusta-ish)

- Beautiful rear wheel

-Upgraded suspension and brakes

-Upgraded dashboard including GPI- very helpful since most of us add these anyways. I know I love mine

-More fuel range

-LED headlight

-Turn signals integrated into the mirors

-Heated grips standard (hopefully the USA gets this also)

-Adj seat height

-Traction control (although I have never really needed this on my bike with good tires)

Dislikes:

-I am personally not in love with the new fairing shape. Still looks a bit too much like a VFR 1200 to me with its "slab siding". I like the 6th gen look better (yea, obviously biased)

-Another high mount exhaust bites the dust- thanks to EPA and noise regulations. Yeah it helps with weight, but sure is ugly stock. Keeps the exhaust companies busy though.

-Where is the luggage? Hopfeully its as good as the 6th gens- and actually holds a full face helmet in EACH bag.

Hopefully there will be some interchangability between this VFR and other gens- at least the 6th gen. The wheel, swingarm, forks, etc.

If they can keep the price (with luggage) below $10k in the US it should be marketable. I wonder if the 1200 will continue.

That leads to the next obvious question-So what generation does this make this VFR?

YoshiHNS

I didn't see the adjustable rebound though.

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Well based on the video the wheel has a 5 hole bolt pattern, so no direct rear wheel swap. It did look like there is an adjuster for the rear shock on the left side above the chain guard, most likely pre-load. I like that it comes standard with ABS and heated grips too. Apart from the side mounted exhaust, it looks really good, but is this the non-US version we are seeing?

OK Fellow VFR "modders", let the idea gears spin away!

Duc2V4

Well based on the video the wheel has a 5 hole bolt pattern, so no direct rear wheel swap. It did look like there is an adjuster for the rear shock on the left side above the chain guard, most likely pre-load. I like that it comes standard with ABS and heated grips too. Apart from the side mounted exhaust, it looks really good, but is this the non-US version we are seeing?

OK Fellow VFR "modders", let the idea gears spin away!

^^ This is what I came here to say.

I was really looking forward to the idea of a 10spoke rear. To be honest, this picture is the first bike to really get me thinking about replacing my 6th gen down the road. I am a big fan of the moved radiators, sleek swingarm, improved dash, blah blah blah this thing is probably 15 years ahead of mine so all that.

-Drew

**ALSO, I cannot believe the tail section still looks fat and overweight. They removed the cans and kept the clumsy appearance! step 1 is a CBR tail swap.

I don't see the real need for Traction Control at those same power levels. That will surely add to the MSRP.

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luvtoleanit

I don't see the real need for Traction Control at those same power levels. That will surely add to the MSRP.

Traction control on that bike doesn't any sense at all,a slipper clutch would have been spot on.

..................under $10k.................. dream on..................

YoshiHNS

Same engine, same weight. Radial mount calipers on conventional forks? The 10 spoke looks good. I like how they didn't make it a 1200 copy like the 250. Mirrors look good and the running lights in them is a nice bonus. Is that an oil cooler under the front head? Looks a bit big for oil.

It does look too big for an oil cooler, I wonder if they ditched the side mounts for a front/rear rad set up? maybe taking up some of the under-tail exhaust space for the rear rad...

do not like the "Must buy from Honda clip-ons", the old fashioned forks and the absence of solo cowl.

It doesnt matter though because I would bet a dime to a donut that it isnt sold in America.

Damn you Honda Motor Company! Now I'm gonna have to sell my other kidney so I can buy this bike!

Yes, I am happy to see that Honda is bringing back a proper sport touring bike that was there flagship for 2 1/2 decades. Bringing it back with a 12 year old engine and frame, come on, Honda can do better than that.

The quickshifter is an interesting option. I don't think that was a priority on most people's mod list. But at least it's an option and not standard.

Since it is the same VTEC engine and frame, is there any reason at all that the swingarm wouldn't bolt right up at a minimum? And if luggage isn't an option, bolt a 6th gen tail, luggage rack, and undertail exhaust? The tail would probably be work trying to fit the electronic bits somewhere.

timmythecop

do not like the "Must buy from Honda clip-ons", the old fashioned forks and the absence of solo cowl.

It doesnt matter though because I would bet a dime to a donut that it isnt sold in America.

Same bar type as the ST1300...I get that this is the VFR800F but I am wanting a VFR800R....or an RVF800...the quote from Visordown..."The new bike supercedes the current VFR800 and Honda say they’ve developed it with a close eye on feedback from owners of the current VFR800."

Then where are the USD forks? I see they upgraded the brakes to radial and the 310mm disks will help....I guess I will withhold judgment until I see: 1. If the bike even makes it to North America, 2. if the front suspension upgrades are, 3. whether I can swap that swingarm onto a 5G....

I think it would great with Staintune high mount. I know if you like the 10 spoke wheel you can prolly swap the hub to the 5/6G swingarm but that swingarm looks so nice int he photos.

If the 1200 wasn't selling at $15k and the last 6G models here in the US were discounted to around $8k to move then where does this one get priced if it is brought here?

I'm going to say MSRP around $12k USD. With the electronics on it and all it's going to be above $10k. I think it's a good follow up to the 6th gen. Still wondering why they didn't just parts bin and put on one of the CBR fronts. Maybe length was an issue. It wouldn't be good bean-counter designing if they came up with unique front suspension, brakes, and wheels just for the VFR. Maybe this stuff is off of another bike, like CB1000R?

YoshiHNS

And if luggage isn't an option, bolt a 6th gen tail, luggage rack, and undertail exhaust?

It looks to me luggage will be an option. Judging from the odd extension off the rear peg hangers and what appear to be two slots just below the seat, I think luggage will mount without requiring additional brackets. Similar to the way it does on my Multi.

I really, really want to like this but I just don't. Not great to look at, and not really a step forward.

Which means you can look forward to finding one in my garage within the year haha.

I'll be right in line to buy one!! Finally Honda starts listening to us! We might not have gotten everything we wanted, but personally I would've been happy if they simply kept making the 6th gen. Less weight would be nice, but you can shave some by changing the exhaust. Loving the new swingarm, and I can even live with the front end. It didn't get the full Neanderthal sloping forehead of the 1200, thankfully!

Am I the only one that thinks they see Brembo on the front calipers?

Earthshake

YoshiHNS

And if luggage isn't an option, bolt a 6th gen tail, luggage rack, and undertail exhaust?

It looks to me luggage will be an option. Judging from the odd extension off the rear peg hangers and what appear to be two slots just below the seat, I think luggage will mount without requiring additional brackets. Similar to the way it does on my Multi.

Yup.

I want to see a front shot

Also curious to know how 1 extra cc (782 vs 781) makes an extra 6.5 hp?

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Earthshake

YoshiHNS

And if luggage isn't an option, bolt a 6th gen tail, luggage rack, and undertail exhaust?

It looks to me luggage will be an option. Judging from the odd extension off the rear peg hangers and what appear to be two slots just below the seat, I think luggage will mount without requiring additional brackets. Similar to the way it does on my Multi.

Yup.I want to see a front shot

Also curious to know how 1 extra cc (782 vs 781) makes an extra 6.5 hp?

I thought that was a crankcase figure and not at the backwheel...

It looks very very plain. Downright boring except for the wheels and new dash. That front end is bordering on ugly.

Sorry Honda, I am not in the least bit tempted to get this bike.

The Fireblade on the other hand looks ace.

if it has the vtec same engine as the 2007 i had honda again lost another sale- Ill stick with my gear driven cam vfr 700--

theelf

if it has the vtec same engine as the 2007 i had honda again lost another sale- Ill stick with my gear driven cam vfr 700--

You didn't like your 07? I love mine, 50,000miles later and that V-Tech is still sweet music to my eats when it kicks, and smooth as can be when it happens.

So does this mean the 1200 is gone? Or are we going to have two bikes in production with the VFR badge of them?

However is it just me, or does it look a bit like an old 600 Katana from a few of the side shots. Just the way the head lights are cut on the side, with that near straight and level pipe.

whitelightning

Am I the only one that thinks they see Brembo on the front calipers?

SEBSPEED

I want to see a front shot

Also curious to know how 1 extra cc (782 vs 781) makes an extra 6.5 hp?

When compared to the speclist on Honda UK's website the new VTEC is less powerfull.

Earthshake

YoshiHNS

And if luggage isn't an option, bolt a 6th gen tail, luggage rack, and undertail exhaust?

It looks to me luggage will be an option. Judging from the odd extension off the rear peg hangers and what appear to be two slots just below the seat, I think luggage will mount without requiring additional brackets. Similar to the way it does on my Multi.

Yes that is the same set up as the 1200, which is one of the first things I noticed about the rear end.

whitelightning

I'll be right in line to buy one!! Finally Honda starts listening to us! We might not have gotten everything we wanted, but personally I would've been happy if they simply kept making the 6th gen. Less weight would be nice, but you can shave some by changing the exhaust. Loving the new swingarm, and I can even live with the front end. It didn't get the full Neanderthal sloping forehead of the 1200, thankfully!

Am I the only one that thinks they see Brembo on the front calipers?

Funny how every time Honda comes out with a new VFR, people freak out about the looks. I recall the 98 VFR's were called Klingons, since they were so terrible, the VTECS, were the ugliest bastard child ever, the 1200 is an ugly neanderthal/buffalo, so it will be curious to see the nickname of this one!

theelf

if it has the vtec same engine as the 2007 i had honda again lost another sale- Ill stick with my gear driven cam vfr 700--

No offense, but I doubt Honda cares about the rider who stubbornly is riding a 30 year old machine, or even the 15 year old hold outs. The model has some interesting improvements, rider improvements, creature comforts, motor tweaks, suspension improvements, totally new look than the VTEC.

I think it is an evolution, perhaps a new motor and electro-adj. suspension will be in the works in 3 or 4 years...

So are we going to have to cut holes and modify coolant reservoirs to mount frame sliders on this gen too?

Looks a lot like the cBR500

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The thing looks like engineering was forced to go through a big cost reduction exercise.

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http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/2014-honda-vfr800f/23894.html

--Same frame so the tail would go on a 6th or the 6th gen tail would go on (is this the 8th?) the new bike. Looks like the wheel could be swapped if you change the axle. Wonder if the front could sneak on a 5th gen with a rotor change. The swing arm looks like it would be lighter.

He he he. Lotsa new farkle ideas. :biggrin:

Oh -- no linked brakes?

Whoa - does the 1200 now become a 1st gen 12 and the new 800 become the true 7th? :goofy:

If the 6th gen tail fits, I may have to reconsider. Bolt it up, put a couple Leo Vinces on there and call it good. I don't like the front, but it's not like that stopped me from buying a 7th.

5.7 gallon tank is nice too. It'll be interesting to see if, as a parts bin special, the sum is greater than the parts.

The frame is the same, so this is the 6 1/2th gen?

Front end (in the video at least) is a little reminiscent of the 5th gen. Looks interesting and wonder if it will make the NA motorcycle shows early in the new year.

Potential for a replacement of my '04 6th gen, but not until 2015 or later. On par for Honda releases, I'd let it launch and then price drop.

Wonder who will have one at the SumSum 3? Maybe mother Honda herself?

I watched the video and I think the front end looks have a 5th gen feel with the headlights on.

For the most part I like the new VFR but I still would take it without vtec.

The new CBR SP looks to be ready for the track. I bet it will come at a very hefty price though with that suspension and brakes. My 06 CBR track bike is still doing just fine and its paid for. lol

Do those disappointed with the looks of the new VFR800 prefer the new MV Agusta Tourismo Veloce? Fyi, I don't.

mello dude

The thing looks like engineering was forced to go through a big cost reduction exercise.

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Whoa - does the 1200 now become a 1st gen 12 and the new 800 become the true 7th? :goofy:

It looks a little generic, but after 2 years it will look as normal as a CBR600R did when they first came out after the F4i. I thought they looked "boring and generic" but like the looks of them now...

I am not sure what we should call the 12 vs new 8! Controversy in VFRland!

whitelightning

I'll be right in line to buy one!! Finally Honda starts listening to us! We might not have gotten everything we wanted, but personally I would've been happy if they simply kept making the 6th gen. Less weight would be nice, but you can shave some by changing the exhaust. Loving the new swingarm, and I can even live with the front end. It didn't get the full Neanderthal sloping forehead of the 1200, thankfully!

Am I the only one that thinks they see Brembo on the front calipers?

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Earthshake

YoshiHNS

And if luggage isn't an option, bolt a 6th gen tail, luggage rack, and undertail exhaust?

It looks to me luggage will be an option. Judging from the odd extension off the rear peg hangers and what appear to be two slots just below the seat, I think luggage will mount without requiring additional brackets. Similar to the way it does on my Multi.

Yup.

I want to see a front shot

Also curious to know how 1 extra cc (782 vs 781) makes an extra 6.5 hp?

The marketing guys (are you watching this thread George?) tout in the video from the show that it is 22 lbs lighter (10 kilo actually) and that it has revised engine settings for improved mid range...I do believe the current bikes were rated around the same peak power at the crank though.

In the profile it does resemble the newer Hondas but to me more of the CBR and less of the VFR1200 is there so meh *shrug*...

I think the front calipers read Tokico and I would prefer the Honda-owned Nissin but at least they are radial mount.

It is the 8th generation VFour from Honda so no controversy there with nomenclature.

Maybe Honda is watching, and maybe they included normal forks on purpose, just for the sheer entertainment of watching us change them out...

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Maybe Honda is watching, and maybe they included normal forks on purpose, just for the sheer entertainment of watching us change them out...

Or just leaving room for upgrades on future models.

Lorne

Do those disappointed with the looks of the new VFR800 prefer the new MV Agusta Tourismo Veloce? Fyi, I don't.

Yes as a matter of fact I do. Unfortunately I see a pattern evolving at Honda, warmed over products that use the cash cow product lines and just trickle the technology to make them seem truly current...

Another 20HP would have made right by me. Come on, it has been 13 years, so 20 HP out of the same engine should be a walk in the park. Direct injection or something.

That being said, I want one.

Lorne

Do those disappointed with the looks of the new VFR800 prefer the new MV Agusta Tourismo Veloce? Fyi, I don't.

Yes, definitely. Honestly though, I was hoping the Turismo Veloce would be a bit less adventure-y and more sportbike-y. Oh well. Still like it more than the vanilla-plain Honda. The new VFR800's not bad, just not exciting.

00Yeller

Lorne

Do those disappointed with the looks of the new VFR800 prefer the new MV Agusta Tourismo Veloce? Fyi, I don't.

Yes as a matter of fact I do. Unfortunately I see a pattern evolving at Honda, warmed over products that use the cash cow product lines and just trickle the technology to make them seem truly current...

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/honda-to-offer-sharpened-cbr1000rr-sp-in-2014/

Honda is so far behind other sports bike's the kawa,ducati,aprilla,bmw,it's rather sad.The new vfr 800 is where it should have been in 2006 not 2014

norton850

00Yeller

Lorne

Do those disappointed with the looks of the new VFR800 prefer the new MV Agusta Tourismo Veloce? Fyi, I don't.

Yes as a matter of fact I do. Unfortunately I see a pattern evolving at Honda, warmed over products that use the cash cow product lines and just trickle the technology to make them seem truly current...

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/honda-to-offer-sharpened-cbr1000rr-sp-in-2014/

Honda is so far behind other sports bike's the kawa,ducati,aprilla,bmw,it's rather sad.The new vfr 800 is where it should have been in 2006 not 2014

According to America Honda that new VFR800F will not be available as a 2014 model.... link above.

I like the Ducati style frame we saw a few months ago better I think!

Boo on American Honda. That's ok, my Gen 6 is just about perfect now once I add my recently aquired Leos. I prefer the look of my RWB anyways.

Looks like a CBR. Interesting they put traction control, or maybe it's an option. Improvements look promising for someone itching for a new bike. It certainly is an interesting development considering all of the other bikes Honda has in its lineup.

Good God. I usually lurk to read up on tech and maintenance info for my bike. (07 RWB + 55K miles, purchased new in 2010). It is a fantastic sport-touring bike, (which means nessasary compromises) as most here should know, and I would assume it's why you all purchased one. I have no doubt Honda did research this among it's euro customers to update it for its real mission (ST). I lived in Europe for 15 years and the bike was popular for what it is. I have been watching a lot of you folks happily describing purchasing plenty of new leftovers for great prices, which of course means it doesn't sell here, so why would they bring it? All this crying about what this new one is not (super sport or luxo- tourer) is kind of strange really.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, I don't post much and this is one of the better moto sites, but this thread got me. (at work!)

Gorp

CornerCarver

According to America Honda that new VFR800F will not be available as a 2014 model.... link above.

Well, thanks to them for saving me the trouble. You'll see me at my local MV dealer soon...or on an FZ-09. Nice work Honda!

timmythecop

and the absence of solo cowl installed.

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deltaboxii

-Where is the luggage? Hopfeully its as good as the 6th gens- and actually holds a full face helmet in EACH bag.

A hugger will also be on the options list.

Gorp

Good God. I usually lurk to read up on tech and maintenance info for my bike. (07 RWB + 55K miles, purchased new in 2010). It is a fantastic sport-touring bike, (which means nessasary compromises) as most here should know, and I would assume it's why you all purchased one. I have no doubt Honda did research this among it's euro customers to update it for its real mission (ST). I lived in Europe for 15 years and the bike was popular for what it is. I have been watching a lot of you folks happily describing purchasing plenty of new leftovers for great prices, which of course means it doesn't sell here, so why would they bring it? All this crying about what this new one is not (super sport or luxo- tourer) is kind of strange really.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, I don't post much and this is one of the better moto sites, but this thread got me. (at work!)

Go

No crying here just the facts,But traction control @ that level of performance,and not a slipper clutch is kind of strange really!!!!!!!!!!

I enjoyed my 5th gen for many years however gotta,keep pace with the times :wacko:

Gorp

Good God. I usually lurk to read up on tech and maintenance info for my bike. (07 RWB + 55K miles, purchased new in 2010). It is a fantastic sport-touring bike, (which means nessasary compromises) as most here should know, and I would assume it's why you all purchased one. I have no doubt Honda did research this among it's euro customers to update it for its real mission (ST). I lived in Europe for 15 years and the bike was popular for what it is. I have been watching a lot of you folks happily describing purchasing plenty of new leftovers for great prices, which of course means it doesn't sell here, so why would they bring it? All this crying about what this new one is not (super sport or luxo- tourer) is kind of strange really.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, I don't post much and this is one of the better moto sites, but this thread got me. (at work!)

Gorp

I do agree with you, VFR riders are a funny bunch! I call it charming eccentricity!

That is definitely a re-used CBR fender - which means a carbon version will be easy to find.

I wonder what diameter the forks are.

May actually have to go to NYC for the bike show, if they bring this over.

norton850

No crying here just the facts,But traction control @ that level of performance,and not a slipper clutch is kind of strange really!!!!!!!!!!

Not everyone uses his VFR only for weekend trips but e.g. use it for a commuter bike and in less favourable conditions. Over here some have a company bike instead of a company car and this time of year with all the leaves and rain the roads get slippery and these electronic aids can help to avoid a spill.

I've had, on my even less powerfull 3rd gen, the rear spin when doing 100km/h on the freeway in heavy rain and opening the throttle.

But the TC has a switch so you can turn it off.

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I wonder what diameter the forks are.

No mention of DCBS.

Oh mama...

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I'm just happy that they're bringing back a proper NACA duct.
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I'd like to see them do a CBR exhaust treatment on the VFR. I like the looks of underseat, but the Buell concept makes much more sense.

SEBSPEEDMay actually have to go to NYC for the bike show, if they bring this over.

After reading this link, I don't think we're getting it this year.

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/honda-to-offer-sharpened-cbr1000rr-sp-in-2014/

Another largely recycled product from Honda. Not excited about this..

mello dude. Looks like the wheel could be swapped if you change the axle. Wonder if the front could sneak on a 5th gen with a rotor change. The swing arm looks like it would be lighter.

That's what I was thinking. The drive side of the hub looks to be out of the parts bin, so presuming the same offsets and axle diameters, it's a good bet someone's going to be figuring out fast how to make 8 spoke wheel swaps seem old school. If the 5 bolt pattern is the same, maybe some 10 spokers will end up on 7th gens too.

This is a big surprise to me - after releasing the 7th gen I didn't think anything similar to a 5th/6th gen would ever re-appear. What I don't get is why, oh why didn't they punch it out to 1000 cc and ditch the V-tec . . . Would love to have had the GDC's back too, but that's probably some EPA noise reg thing. While I wouldn't invade my wallet just yet to get one, am I ever happy that Honda still has their eye on the V-4 SS swingarm formula!

By the way - V4 Rosso - great catch! Thanks for posting!

The CTX1300 and the new cbr1000 are up on the American Honda website.

V4 Rosso

timmythecop

and the absence of solo cowl installed.

Here it is with seat cowl:

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deltaboxii

-Where is the luggage? Hopfeully its as good as the 6th gens- and actually holds a full face helmet in EACH bag.

No word on the size of the panniers but the top box has a capacity of 45L and my Givi 45L case can store a FF helmet size large.

A hugger will also be on the options list.

that picture really shows the 5th gen style influence on it. However, I think they took it too far and kept that damn side mount can.

So much has already been said, and I agree with a lot of it. There is nothing truly new about this bike. The VFR used to be a showcase, now it is a parts bin bike?

I like the bike, but I don't love it. Definitely not "Love at first sight" like I had on the 5th & 6th gen.

marriedman

V4 Rosso

timmythecop

and the absence of solo cowl installed.

Here it is with seat cowl:

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deltaboxii

-Where is the luggage? Hopfeully its as good as the 6th gens- and actually holds a full face helmet in EACH bag.

No word on the size of the panniers but the top box has a capacity of 45L and my Givi 45L case can store a FF helmet size large.

A hugger will also be on the options list.

that picture really shows the 5th gen style influence on it. However, I think they took it too far and kept that damn side mount can.

So much has already been said, and I agree with a lot of it. There is nothing truly new about this bike. The VFR used to be a showcase, now it is a parts bin bike?

I like the bike, but I don't love it. Definitely not "Love at first sight" like I had on the 5th & 6th gen.

Let's hope it doesn't have those god awful gear driven cams. :goofy:

But really folks it may not make it to the U.S.

I like the looks of the previous generations. However, for someone who is new to the model, it has some interesting and value adds like ABS. The bike was and is very much a Euro focussed ride = handling, all round capability and refinement being paramount. Not the biggest motivators for North American sales. :wacko: Enjoyed profiting from the clear out prices but business wise, a risky decision to import in a slow economic environment. Possibly limited volumes/special order?

This is Honda's "Screaming Eagle" edition VFR.... They took a page out of HD's cutting edge research and development department.

Well look at the bright side... many of the parts will be interchangable with your 5th or 6th Gen.

What really got me hard was the heated grips!!! Way to throw in an easy upgrade Honda that anyone can add to any bike.

The 10kg weight loss must have came from replacing the 6th Gen Goldwing mufflers with the 1980's style CBR250 muffler...

Honda has a whole wharehouse of RC51 square tail lamps left... to be featured on the completely redesigned 2015 VFR!

10 pages before tomorrow...

I saw on www.bikeme.tv that Honda have released a new Fireblade and VFR for 2014. Traction control, ABS, heated grips, adjustable seat height and self-canceling turn signals, 10kg less weight...

They kept the VTEC, dammit.

Most detail I can find is here.

It looks like they won't be shipping to the USA.

Shame.

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I like most of it, but I doubt it will be sold in USA.

10 pages tonight !!!!

So what do we label it 6gen.3 ?

So who thinks the 6gen under the seat exhaust will fit on the 6.3 bike ?

Switchblade

10 pages tonight !!!!

I'll do my part . . . :goofy:

Regardless of whether one likes this bike or not for any variety of reasons - similar to when any generation has been introduced - personally I think it's a hell of a lot better for us as a community than no VFR in Honda's lineup. Could it be better? Hell yeah. On the other hand, given the development and tooling costs, it doesn't surprise me much that the manufacturers are doing what the carmakers have been doing for some time - sharing parts across platforms to cut costs.

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10 pages tonight !!!!

I'll do my part . . . :goofy:

Regardless of whether one likes this bike or not for any variety of reasons - similar to when any generation has been introduced - personally I think it's a hell of a lot better for us as a community than no VFR in Honda's lineup. Could it be better? Hell yeah. On the other hand, given the development and tooling costs, it doesn't surprise me much that the manufacturers are doing what the carmakers have been doing for some time - sharing parts across platforms to cut costs.

Yeah the CBR, for now, carries Honda's racing hopes ...

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Now that's good lookin front wheel ...

Well, I look at what the vfr offers over my present vfr, and I have to say not impressed, enough to want one. The cbr has bremo brakes and ohlins forks, wow whats going on with the japanese?

I wanna see the dam stator !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Or at least sale them(stator's) in a six pack ..

Coupla comments about the 5th gen-ish headlamps. again, I see CBR500R

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I wanna see the dam stator !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Or at least sale them(stator's) in a six pack ..

Ha,ha,ha.

I missed the part where the majority of us said we love the VTEC and can't live without it.please bring it back.How bout a 1000cc and hard bags included?

Parts bin or not, they dropped a good bit of weight and made it look more like a CBR. Those are mods that folks here have been spending a lot of time and money on. I think they are watching and have made an attempt.

I will buy one....in about ten years when somebody is done with it. :goofy:

For now, I'll keep not riding my trusty 6th gen.

If only they rummaged through the CB1000R forks bin instead of coming up with this front end. It's an improvement, but still...Part bin bikes are fine so long as they rummage through the good stuff.

I'm gonna say $13,500.00 with bags and ABS ...

BrianF

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According to America Honda that new VFR800F will not be available as a 2014 model.... link above.

Well, thanks to them for saving me the trouble. You'll see me at my local MV dealer soon...or on an FZ-09. Nice work Honda!

Hell even a Tuono is leaps ahead...I'd settle for a new 800 cc MV or 900 triple if they come w factory bags....

Hate to say it, but Fu%$ Honda...I'm tired of continuous disappointment.

spud786

Well, I look at what the vfr offers over my present vfr, and I have to say not impressed, enough to want one. The cbr has bremo brakes and ohlins forks, wow whats going on with the japanese?

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Exactly.

It doesn't check all of my boxes, but I still like it. Forks from the cbr 1k would be a huge improvement. By the time they do bring it to the states maybe they will address the suspension. I'm just afraid it will cost close to $14k

Unfortunately, I agree.

It is very disappointed that Honda is not bringing this to the US- coming from a former VFR800 owner. If Honda ever actually releases a 1000cc or less V4 sportbike with quality suspension (fully-adjustable front and rear) and running gear, with or even without hard luggage as an option, chain final drive, for a reasonable price, I believe that people would line up to buy them. I know that I would. When Honda released the VFR1200F and not a true V4 sportbike or smaller V4 sport-touring bike, I traded my well-used (and well-loved!) VFR800 for a crossplane R1, which is now my do-it-all bike, with no regrets. I know that I am not the only former-VFR owner that feels ignored (maybe even slightly betrayed) by Honda.

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BrianF

CornerCarver

According to America Honda that new VFR800F will not be available as a 2014 model.... link above.

Well, thanks to them for saving me the trouble. You'll see me at my local MV dealer soon...or on an FZ-09. Nice work Honda!

Hell even a Tuono is leaps ahead...I'd settle for a new 800 cc MV or 900 triple if they come w factory bags....

Hate to say it, but Fu%$ Honda...I'm tired of continuous disappointment.

zupatun

BrianF

CornerCarver

According to America Honda that new VFR800F will not be available as a 2014 model.... link above.

Well, thanks to them for saving me the trouble. You'll see me at my local MV dealer soon...or on an FZ-09. Nice work Honda!

Hell even a Tuono is leaps ahead...I'd settle for a new 800 cc MV or 900 triple if they come w factory bags....

Hate to say it, but Fu%$ Honda...I'm tired of continuous disappointment.

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That is definitely a re-used CBR fender - which means a carbon version will be easy to find.

I wonder what diameter the forks are.

May actually have to go to NYC for the bike show, if they bring this over.

43mm same as 6G...

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Took what - about 4 hours?

My toaster is reliable . . .

Alaskan

My toaster is reliable . . .

And fat ugly girls.Doesn't mean I want to ride em.

I kinda like it. Sounds like it is not coming to N.America, but sometimes Canada gets Euro-leftovers so maybe they will test it here first and see if anyone buys one.

I have never been a big fan of the 6th gen's styling, but it looks better in some colors than others. I would really have to see one in person.

butter face!

someone should tell honda they have the generations wrong !

It's not clear from this article if in fitting a newly designed swingarm, they saved any unsprung weight. Although the VFR's SSSA has a cetain kewlness factor, it's not light, and enither are the hub, rear brake, etc. Anyone who's ridden a VFR back-to-back with a bike sporting a conventional swingarm will notice this straight off. (And from what I can gather, it's heavier and uglier than SSSAs from other marques).

It's something I forgot when I had my Elka overhauled and "Ohlins-ised" (it has all Ohlins internals, apart from the shock shaft). I was disappointed when I test-rode it, because I was expecting a much more compliant ride, and I didn't realise until just this week (yes, a couple of years later :blush: ) why my expectations were a bit wack.

If nothing else, even if it is lighter and stiffer, the new swingarm is at least no longer ugly. It's a shame though that Honda didn't take the opportunity to change the hub at the same time they changed the swingarm and rear wheel. :huh:

I love it for the ease of changing tires. Easy off, easy on. Adjusting the chain tension also (I've never adjusted a chain on a normal swingarm).

I also love the look and the exclusivity.

AB-Oz

someone should tell honda they have the generations wrong !

MaxSwell

I love it for the ease of changing tires. Easy off, easy on.

I thought that would be a great benefit at first as well until I actually did it. I can have my GSXR rear wheel off much faster than I can have the VFR wheel off. By the time I pull the Beetle Bag off, then move the exhaust, it takes a lot more time. Even if I didn't have the Beetle Bag, I think just messing with the exhaust (at least on a 5th gen) would make it take longer than a conventional swingarm tire change. I agree, it isn't as complex (no chain or brake caliper to mess with), but as far as time, it isn't nearly as fast.

Just a thought, maybe they do not consider the original Interceptor as a 'VFR' as the first release was a 'VF' and the VFR didn't come out until later.

Duc2V4

Just a thought, maybe they do not consider the original Interceptor as a 'VFR' as the first release was a 'VF' and the VFR didn't come out until later.

the rc24 "VFR" is split up in 2 gens 86-87 and 88-89.

Were quite the differences between the 86-87 and 88-89 such as fairing, instruments and wheels

So 90-93 is 3rd gen, 94-97 is 4th gen, 800Fi is 5th gen, vtec is 6th gen and the new 800F is probably the "true" 7th gen if you wanna put it that way

What kinda oil goes in what Gen?

My friend Makota San was a previous Chief Engineer Honda R&D who
invented Honda's VTEC... he calls VTEC "his baby" and recalls his boss
being super skeptical of the idea working at all...

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Makota San also worked on the NR500 oval piston racer and he plans to
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here is what MCN was predicting for the next gen VFR in 2008. Some hits, some misses, but overall, not THAT far off.

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timmythecophere is what MCN was predicting for the next gen VFR in 2008. Some hits, some misses, but overall, not THAT far off.

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I think I would buy that bike.

Maybe if all I wanted was a sport bike, but not a do it all sport tourer. That seat would be a torture device, the bars are too low, and no passaner would ever want to get on.

But I do like the idea of a 1000 cc bike. Now that I have the VTEC I understand why everyone wants it so bad.

marriedman

But I do like the idea of a 1000 cc bike. Now that I have the VTEC I understand why everyone wants it so bad.

That would seem to have made much more sense than the complexity of VTEC - and probably more cost effective, too.

An acquaintance in the UK sent me a glowing review of the 2014 VFR800 that's in the June issue of the magazine Motorcycle Sport & Leisure. The first page (only) is posted on their site. Posting the whole thing would be copyright infringement, I suppose, but there's an interesting short sidebar on VTEC that would seem appropriate at this point in the thread and should be okay legally (for educational purposes :wink: ). I cut out one or two of the less interesting Q&A's to make it more of an excerpt than a copy:

Hey, I own a 5th gen! :cheerleader:

This thread just hit Vtec yo.

VTEC... Vacillating Torque Engine Compartment... worked on heavy cars
but it's been a tough sell on light bikes...

BusyLittleShop

VTEC... Vacillating Torque Engine Compartment...

I thought it stood for Valve Train (of) Extravagant Complexity. :goofy:

I'm not a hater: It's very smooth and controllable on my 2006 and a real ace in the hole for merging and passing. Of course, I'm a member of the Baileyrock school of VTEC valve adjustment ...

On the Dutch VFR forum one that took a test ride on the new VFR only had one "complaint": no noticable VTEC transition. Apparently not all dislike the small dip in the powerband where others have spend loads of cash on PCs etc. to smoothen the torque curve.

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On the Dutch VFR forum one that took a test ride on the new VFR only had one "complaint": no noticable VTEC transition. Apparently not all dislike the small dip in the powerband where others have spend loads of cash on PCs etc. to smoothen the torque curve.

Yup, that's what it was like for me.....you had to really concentrate to feel it.

Anyone wanna speculate about what Honda might do with the new vfr800f in 2016?

Asked my local dealer about a test ride. They say they are out in the states, but they did not order one because they were not sure about demand. So much for a test ride. I'll have to look at some other dealers for a test ride.

Honda dealers in the 'States do test rides? That was usually not the case when I lived there! I think BMW dealers did. Anyway, back here in soggy sportbike utopia, I've got a new VFR800F booked for "an hour or so" on Saturday... :wink:

Ciao,

Depends on the dealer, but good ones usually do. Had a car dealer once let me take a test drive for the weekend. One dealer gave me the keys to a FJR and said, "there is a quarter tank of gas, so you should be good for a while," implying to bring it back before I ran out of gas.